Yingluck declines to commit when to return to Thailand

[mikemac]

For those of you who are stuck in a rut about the land deal and Thaksin's conviction, here's a few legal points for you to consider. Not taking any sided in this, just pointing out the legalities.

1) Thaksin was found guilty of abuse of power by helping his wife buy the land. HOWEVER, the land was offered in an OPEN AUCTION, and his wife submitted the highest bid. Matter of public record. So, please tell me where the abuse of power comes in?

2) The courts later ruled the sale was "NULL & VOID". She had to return the land, she got her money back, with interest.

3) In civilized countries, which leaves Thailand open for debate, a ruling by the court of Null & Void means the event NEVER HAPPENED. What the Thai court ruled was that the event never happened. Therefore, under "null & void" rulings, ALL events leading up to the event NEVER HAPPENED. Which, legally, means that she never bought the land, and any "influence" or "abuse of power" he might have exerted, which never existed in the first place, NEVER HAPPENED. Therefore, his conviction for "abuse of power" should, legally, also be vacated, since he court ruled the event never happened.

Like I said, no way I'm taking sides, but merely pointing out the legalities of the whole deal.

Make of it what you will.

You claim you are not taking sides. Not the way I see it. Pretty obvious whose side you have taken. Just more of the same old pis weak Shinawatra defense jargon.

[gemini81]

For those of you who are stuck in a rut about the land deal and Thaksin's conviction, here's a few legal points for you to consider. Not taking any sided in this, just pointing out the legalities.

1) Thaksin was found guilty of abuse of power by helping his wife buy the land. HOWEVER, the land was offered in an OPEN AUCTION, and his wife submitted the highest bid. Matter of public record. So, please tell me where the abuse of power comes in?

2) The courts later ruled the sale was "NULL & VOID". She had to return the land, she got her money back, with interest.

3) In civilized countries, which leaves Thailand open for debate, a ruling by the court of Null & Void means the event NEVER HAPPENED. What the Thai court ruled was that the event never happened. Therefore, under "null & void" rulings, ALL events leading up to the event NEVER HAPPENED. Which, legally, means that she never bought the land, and any "influence" or "abuse of power" he might have exerted, which never existed in the first place, NEVER HAPPENED. Therefore, his conviction for "abuse of power" should, legally, also be vacated, since he court ruled the event never happened.

Like I said, no way I'm taking sides, but merely pointing out the legalities of the whole deal.

Make of it what you will.

You claim you are not taking sides. Not the way I see it. Pretty obvious whose side you have taken. Just more of the same old pis weak Shinawatra defense jargon.

He's got loads of waffles. What one has to do when there are only incredible excuses; make up nonsense.

Bottom line is if you did nothing wrong, you show up (like their opponents did even when Pheau Thai was in) or you escape because you did wrong and don't wanna face the consequences.

This low life swindling family will surely get theirs. Run away, but one can't escape the karma inevitably.

[soalbundy]

Whatever your opinion of Thaksin may be one thing is for sure,he certainly shook the established corridors of power and changed the feeling of ''entitlement to wealth'', albeit for his own benefit since he himself felt ''entitled''. If he has one positive legacy it is that he changed the conception that the poor must always be poor and the establishment has a right to their ill gotten gains.Unfortunately for him, his own behaviour stopped him from having true greatness.He has left behind him division but that comes with change. Had he been a more humble man and truly concerned for the people he represented i think he could have done great things.

[belg]

nice for all those thai people that can stay unlimited time abroad, without having to return to their country to find an embassy to give them a 30 day stamp

[ekkamai]

Honestly. Be it 11 or 15 suitcases. For a 3 week vacation, who can take that seriously?

Edited July 25, 2014 by ekkamai

[ekkamai]

Whatever your opinion of Thaksin may be one thing is for sure,he certainly shook the established corridors of power and changed the feeling of ''entitlement to wealth'', albeit for his own benefit since he himself felt ''entitled''. If he has one positive legacy it is that he changed the conception that the poor must always be poor and the establishment has a right to their ill gotten gains.Unfortunately for him, his own behaviour stopped him from having true greatness.He has left behind him division but that comes with change. Had he been a more humble man and truly concerned for the people he represented i think he could have done great things.

Well. He didn't, did he? And that has been obvious for years.

[ThailandNoob]

For those of you who are stuck in a rut about the land deal and Thaksin's conviction, here's a few legal points for you to consider. Not taking any sided in this, just pointing out the legalities.

1) Thaksin was found guilty of abuse of power by helping his wife buy the land. HOWEVER, the land was offered in an OPEN AUCTION, and his wife submitted the highest bid. Matter of public record. So, please tell me where the abuse of power comes in?

2) The courts later ruled the sale was "NULL & VOID". She had to return the land, she got her money back, with interest.

3) In civilized countries, which leaves Thailand open for debate, a ruling by the court of Null & Void means the event NEVER HAPPENED. What the Thai court ruled was that the event never happened. Therefore, under "null & void" rulings, ALL events leading up to the event NEVER HAPPENED. Which, legally, means that she never bought the land, and any "influence" or "abuse of power" he might have exerted, which never existed in the first place, NEVER HAPPENED. Therefore, his conviction for "abuse of power" should, legally, also be vacated, since he court ruled the event never happened.

Like I said, no way I'm taking sides, but merely pointing out the legalities of the whole deal.

Make of it what you will.

You claim you are not taking sides. Not the way I see it. Pretty obvious whose side you have taken. Just more of the same old pis weak Shinawatra defense jargon.

He's got loads of waffles. What one has to do when there are only incredible excuses; make up nonsense.

Bottom line is if you did nothing wrong, you show up (like their opponents did even when Pheau Thai was in) or you escape because you did wrong and don't wanna face the consequences.

This low life swindling family will surely get theirs. Run away, but one can't escape the karma inevitably.

Lets`s leave aside the question of any political influence over this case. If you were falsely charged with a crime that carried jail time in Thailand, would you stay to fight the charges or flee the country? Looking at the state of the justice system in Thailand, I know what I would do.

And BTW how many court hearings did Suthep miss over the past year?

[soalbundy]

Whatever your opinion of Thaksin may be one thing is for sure,he certainly shook the established corridors of power and changed the feeling of ''entitlement to wealth'', albeit for his own benefit since he himself felt ''entitled''. If he has one positive legacy it is that he changed the conception that the poor must always be poor and the establishment has a right to their ill gotten gains.Unfortunately for him, his own behaviour stopped him from having true greatness.He has left behind him division but that comes with change. Had he been a more humble man and truly concerned for the people he represented i think he could have done great things.

Well. He didn't, did he? And that has been obvious for years.

No he didn't,which is what i said with my post but he has made changes on a national scale and he has left a legacy which will be felt for decades to come,whether one agrees with it or not. My dispassionate opinion is that he has,with one tottering step,started a process of leading this country away from a feudal system to one more appropriate of a democratic system whether that was his true intention or not is neither here nor there.I think history will be kinder to him than we realize today, with or without justification. We little mortals on the other hand have had no such impact on the world stage,we are like extras on a film set, to revile or praise as the case may be.

[Robroona]

Honestly. Be it 11 or 15 suitcases. For a 3 week vacation, who can take that seriously?

Suitcases were empty. She is going shopping

[ucomservices]

Well, I think she has thought ahead of the times foreseeing the situation in her homeland and I think her brother is guiding her through her troubled times.

Anything can happen - meaning she might come back or she might not come back. Everyone can only predict in these conditions that are prevailing today in her home country.

It entirely depends on her and her brother's thought process as to what can happen as he has also been though the same state of affairs.

I would not be surprised if she decides not to come back and stay outside her country, but she would be a brave woman to take things head on if she comes back foreseeing the situation in Thailand at the movement and the odds she is facing.

[mikemac]

For those of you who are stuck in a rut about the land deal and Thaksin's conviction, here's a few legal points for you to consider. Not taking any sided in this, just pointing out the legalities.

1) Thaksin was found guilty of abuse of power by helping his wife buy the land. HOWEVER, the land was offered in an OPEN AUCTION, and his wife submitted the highest bid. Matter of public record. So, please tell me where the abuse of power comes in?

2) The courts later ruled the sale was "NULL & VOID". She had to return the land, she got her money back, with interest.

3) In civilized countries, which leaves Thailand open for debate, a ruling by the court of Null & Void means the event NEVER HAPPENED. What the Thai court ruled was that the event never happened. Therefore, under "null & void" rulings, ALL events leading up to the event NEVER HAPPENED. Which, legally, means that she never bought the land, and any "influence" or "abuse of power" he might have exerted, which never existed in the first place, NEVER HAPPENED. Therefore, his conviction for "abuse of power" should, legally, also be vacated, since he court ruled the event never happened.

Like I said, no way I'm taking sides, but merely pointing out the legalities of the whole deal.

Make of it what you will.

You claim you are not taking sides. Not the way I see it. Pretty obvious whose side you have taken. Just more of the same old pis weak Shinawatra defense jargon.

He's got loads of waffles. What one has to do when there are only incredible excuses; make up nonsense.

Bottom line is if you did nothing wrong, you show up (like their opponents did even when Pheau Thai was in) or you escape because you did wrong and don't wanna face the consequences.

This low life swindling family will surely get theirs. Run away, but one can't escape the karma inevitably.

Lets`s leave aside the question of any political influence over this case. If you were falsely charged with a crime that carried jail time in Thailand, would you stay to fight the charges or flee the country? Looking at the state of the justice system in Thailand, I know what I would do.

And BTW how many court hearings did Suthep miss over the past year?

falsely charged ???

Nooby troll has to be looking for a bite, for sure !

[IAMSOBAD]

The General hopes she never comes back. Then he can show the Reds that the Shinawatra clan loves to hit and run and can never be trusted. Its better than years of court. Out of sight out of minds.

[Bluespunk]

Well, I think she has thought ahead of the times foreseeing the situation in her homeland and I think her brother is guiding her through her troubled times.

Anything can happen - meaning she might come back or she might not come back. Everyone can only predict in these conditions that are prevailing today in her home country.

It entirely depends on her and her brother's thought process as to what can happen as he has also been though the same state of affairs.

I would not be surprised if she decides not to come back and stay outside her country, but she would be a brave woman to take things head on if she comes back foreseeing the situation in Thailand at the movement and the odds she is facing.

You reap what you sow.

[mikemac]

The General hopes she never comes back. Then he can show the Reds that the Shinawatra clan loves to hit and run and can never be trusted. Its better than years of court. Out of sight out of minds.

I agree what you say about the General, it would be better for the junta if she did a runner, just like her gutless and obviously guilty brother, who seems to control her like a little puppet.

I also think the reds are only in it for the money, always have been guns for hire, willing to do anything for their paymaster, including commit violent crimes. They don't care who pays them or where the money comes from, they will sell themselves.

Although I don't think even the dumbest red would trust a Shinawatra.

If Thaksin offered them enough money and told them to go to Bangkok, blockade the city, set fire to public and private infrastructure, attack the army, invade hospitals and burn down shopping centers, they would do it, no matter how many lives were lost in the process.

The General would do well to either lock up the redshirt leaders or chase them out of the country.

(to all the morons out there who claim Thaksin is innocent of all charges, do you really believe a guy with that much power and money would hide out in the desert for so long if he was innocent ? If you swallow that you are nothing but soft touches and will believe anything)

[Siripon]

For those of you who are stuck in a rut about the land deal and Thaksin's conviction, here's a few legal points for you to consider. Not taking any sided in this, just pointing out the legalities.

1) Thaksin was found guilty of abuse of power by helping his wife buy the land. HOWEVER, the land was offered in an OPEN AUCTION, and his wife submitted the highest bid. Matter of public record. So, please tell me where the abuse of power comes in?

2) The courts later ruled the sale was "NULL & VOID". She had to return the land, she got her money back, with interest.

3) In civilized countries, which leaves Thailand open for debate, a ruling by the court of Null & Void means the event NEVER HAPPENED. What the Thai court ruled was that the event never happened. Therefore, under "null & void" rulings, ALL events leading up to the event NEVER HAPPENED. Which, legally, means that she never bought the land, and any "influence" or "abuse of power" he might have exerted, which never existed in the first place, NEVER HAPPENED. Therefore, his conviction for "abuse of power" should, legally, also be vacated, since he court ruled the event never happened.

Like I said, no way I'm taking sides, but merely pointing out the legalities of the whole deal.

Make of it what you will.

You claim you are not taking sides. Not the way I see it. Pretty obvious whose side you have taken. Just more of the same old pis weak Shinawatra defense jargon.

Wad the FIDF under the direct control of the PM? If so he is plainly guilty of a conflict of interest. if not there's still plenty of information to demonstrate the unethical behaviour of the Shinawats,.see this link http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/thaksin-ratchada-deal/

[Artisi]

Honestly. Be it 11 or 15 suitcases. For a 3 week vacation, who can take that seriously?

Suitcases were empty. She is going shopping

Why would she take empty suitcases, much easier to purchase new ones as needed - money is no object and there is some very nice and very expensive luggage available when you have the necessary folding stuff and the need,

[jayboy]

For those of you who are stuck in a rut about the land deal and Thaksin's conviction, here's a few legal points for you to consider. Not taking any sided in this, just pointing out the legalities.

1) Thaksin was found guilty of abuse of power by helping his wife buy the land. HOWEVER, the land was offered in an OPEN AUCTION, and his wife submitted the highest bid. Matter of public record. So, please tell me where the abuse of power comes in?

2) The courts later ruled the sale was "NULL & VOID". She had to return the land, she got her money back, with interest.

3) In civilized countries, which leaves Thailand open for debate, a ruling by the court of Null & Void means the event NEVER HAPPENED. What the Thai court ruled was that the event never happened. Therefore, under "null & void" rulings, ALL events leading up to the event NEVER HAPPENED. Which, legally, means that she never bought the land, and any "influence" or "abuse of power" he might have exerted, which never existed in the first place, NEVER HAPPENED. Therefore, his conviction for "abuse of power" should, legally, also be vacated, since he court ruled the event never happened.

Like I said, no way I'm taking sides, but merely pointing out the legalities of the whole deal.

Make of it what you will.

You claim you are not taking sides. Not the way I see it. Pretty obvious whose side you have taken. Just more of the same old pis weak Shinawatra defense jargon.

Wad the FIDF under the direct control of the PM? If so he is plainly guilty of a conflict of interest. if not there's still plenty of information to demonstrate the unethical behaviour of the Shinawats,.see this link http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/thaksin-ratchada-deal/

Yeah the real problem facing Thailand is the unethical behaviour of the Shin family.Wake up you genius .

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[Old Man River]

How much luggage did she take?

15 checked in bags.

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[Old Man River]

Honestly. Be it 11 or 15 suitcases. For a 3 week vacation, who can take that seriously?

Suitcases were empty. She is going shopping

Why would she take empty suitcases, much easier to purchase new ones as needed - money is no object and there is some very nice and very expensive luggage available when you have the necessary folding stuff and the need,

Maybe she took "necessary folding stuff".

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[rubl]

Wad the FIDF under the direct control of the PM? If so he is plainly guilty of a conflict of interest. if not there's still plenty of information to demonstrate the unethical behaviour of the Shinawats,.see this link http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/thaksin-ratchada-deal/

Yeah the real problem facing Thailand is the unethical behaviour of the Shin family.Wake up you genius .

The real problem facing Thailand is the unethical behaviour of a family which tries to position itself as 'for democracy and Thai people' especially since two (three if extended family is taking into consideration) have been PM. Real 'classy' examples of how to behave correctly in Thai society.

Anyway Ms. Yingluck declined to comment and I must admit to understand that. More important is to wait and see if Ms. Yingluck is made of sterner stuff than her brother

[jayboy]

Wad the FIDF under the direct control of the PM? If so he is plainly guilty of a conflict of interest. if not there's still plenty of information to demonstrate the unethical behaviour of the Shinawats,.see this link http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/thaksin-ratchada-deal/

Yeah the real problem facing Thailand is the unethical behaviour of the Shin family.Wake up you genius .

The real problem facing Thailand is the unethical behaviour of a family which tries to position itself as 'for democracy and Thai people' especially since two (three if extended family is taking into consideration) have been PM. Real 'classy' examples of how to behave correctly in Thai society.

Anyway Ms. Yingluck declined to comment and I must admit to understand that. More important is to wait and see if Ms. Yingluck is made of sterner stuff than her brother

The Shinawatra family is not Thailand's greatest problem.Its greatest problem is an an entrenched elite that refuses to adapt.

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[metisdead]

From the opening post to remind some people of what this thread is about:

BANGKOK: -- Former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra Wednesday night declined to commit when she would return to Thailand.

Yingluck met an army of reporters at the Suvarnabhumi International Airport at 10 pm when she arrived to check in for her flight to Paris. Her TG 930 flight of the Thai Airways International left for Paris at five minutes after midnight.

"I want to take a vacation. Let's talk after I've come back," Yingluck replied when reports shouted to her, asking when she would return.

Continued off topic posts will be removed.

[Oziex1]

Honestly. Be it 11 or 15 suitcases. For a 3 week vacation, who can take that seriously?

anyone who's had a weekend away with a women

[hawker9000]

Wad the FIDF under the direct control of the PM? If so he is plainly guilty of a conflict of interest. if not there's still plenty of information to demonstrate the unethical behaviour of the Shinawats,.see this link http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/thaksin-ratchada-deal/

Yeah the real problem facing Thailand is the unethical behaviour of the Shin family.Wake up you genius .

The real problem facing Thailand is the unethical behaviour of a family which tries to position itself as 'for democracy and Thai people' especially since two (three if extended family is taking into consideration) have been PM. Real 'classy' examples of how to behave correctly in Thai society.

Anyway Ms. Yingluck declined to comment and I must admit to understand that. More important is to wait and see if Ms. Yingluck is made of sterner stuff than her brother

The Shinawatra family is not Thailand's greatest problem.Its greatest problem is an an entrenched elite that refuses to adapt.

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Now that YL's gone, perhaps to join her brother in what will prove to be state fugitive, you're quite right, they're not. ...until the next one pops up anyway. But I would say the PTP elite aren't quite so well "entrenched" these days...

BTW, with respect to the boneheaded notion that because an illegal agreement is declared null & void those involved are automatically immune to any criminal liability, such a determination in no way absolves the actors of any criminal liability which may have been involved (if any). It merely renders the agreement unenforceable. (Perfect example of a little knowledge - in this case hardly more than a scintilla - being a dangerous thing...) {See the early pages of this topic if you're wondering what I'm talking about.}

[katana]

Yingluck was in London today at the London Eye. Apparently planning to send her son Nong Pipe to school in the UK according to the Thai press.

[sonnyson]

Yingluck was in London today at the London Eye. Apparently planning to send her son Nong Pipe to school in the UK according to the Thai press.

Wonder if she is going to buy the ride for her son as a personal toy and move it to one of the Shinawatra properties in the UK.

[soalbundy]

Yingluck was in London today at the London Eye. Apparently planning to send her son Nong Pipe to school in the UK according to the Thai press.

At last,a punishment to fit the crime, having to live in the UK, i wouldn't wish that on anyone

[sonnyson]

Yingluck was in London today at the London Eye. Apparently planning to send her son Nong Pipe to school in the UK according to the Thai press.

At last,a punishment to fit the crime, having to live in the UK, i wouldn't wish that on anyone

Having billions softens the experience.

[siampolee]

Strange how these characters willingly avail themselves of the right to settle in another country and buy property etc, yet these are the very same creatures who deny the above basic human rights to non Thai's.

Surely not hypocrites who happily apply and implement double standards to their own country in a self protection regime?

[rudolfvaselino]

The military let her go for a reason... but what that reason is, is hard to guess.

The reason is she is still extremely popular. Not only with fellow citizens but internationally too.