Australia launches anti-terror raids

[jacky54]

A fair go for this Muslim on Oz included 19 years on benefits, and how did he re pay Australians, by obeying his religion of course. note the peace and law abiding nature of Muslims outside the court

Edited September 29, 2014 by jacky54

[Tep]

fair go does not included having a go at be heading people on the street though does it. Tolerance of an intolerant and fanatical religion can only ever have one outcome- conflict eventually

Who is talking about beheading? Those individuals are arrested. Future lunatics will be identified and arrested.

What is this but scaremongering. There are other things to talk about rather than beheading. I mentioned a few that interest me and await with anticipation someone posting on those issues.

You cannot say that anyone in Australia who follows Islam is a beheader, except for those identified, without some evidence. I would venture to suggest that almost all people who follow Islam in Australia are not beheaders. So can we discuss something apart from beheading?

[samran]

A fair go for this Muslim on Oz included 19 years on benefits, and how did he re pay Australians, by obeying his religion of course. note the peace and law abiding nature of Muslims outside the court

Resorting to trailer park trash TV now to make your point? The same TV show which every second segment is a weight loss solution or celebrity story. And I'm being called desperate.

If he broke the law, jail him.

Edited September 29, 2014 by samran

[simple1]

If you like dishing it out, like you do, then you got to be able to take it.

You dish out hatred based on random news stories. At least you give me something to work with.

I do not dish out insults and being anti Islam has nothing t do with hate anymore than it has to do with race. Those opposed to Islam do not hate Muslims, is that too hard for you to understand.

A Muslim, by definition, is a follower of the Islamic faith. Are you saying you are only against those Muslims that preach, support or action the call to violent Jihadism and oppression, no one will disagree with such a position.

[jacky54]

fair go does not include having a go at be heading people on the street though does it. Tolerance of an intolerant and fanatical religion can only ever have one outcome- conflict eventually

Nor does it include tar and feathering everyone else of the same religion. Unless your definition of fair differs somewhat from the standard definitions.

Not all muslims are the same and I have never claimed they are all terrorists so stop your inflammatory claim that I have tarred all with the same brush. What I AM saying is that all Islam is the same as the koran is (to them) the incontestable word of god and that (to them) the prophet was the perfect man. So Muslims are trapped into accepting more than 109 calls to jihad and violence in the koran, that unbelievers are the worst of people not to be befriended that apostates should be killed and that Jews and Christians are to be persecuted. They also know, though like to try and twist out of it,that the prophet married a 6 years old and raped her at 9, was a slave owning raider and killer who preached intolerance and persecution of other religions as soon as he was powerful enough. Give this belief a fair go if you like, many western counties have, and look what happened there!

Edited September 29, 2014 by jacky54

[jacky54]

A fair go for this Muslim on Oz included 19 years on benefits, and how did he re pay Australians, by obeying his religion of course. note the peace and law abiding nature of Muslims outside the court

Resorting to trailer park trash TV now to make your point? The same TV show which every second segment is a weight loss solution or celebrity story. And I'm being called desperate.

If he broke the law, jail him.

It was a news report, are you disputing the charges? maybe you would like to get a petition up for him against the poor blokes 'oppression'? An illegal immigrant ordered to leave 3 times and given a million dollars in payments, only to plot murder against Australians, sounds like taking a fair go just a bit too far!

Edited September 29, 2014 by jacky54

[JockPieandBeans]

The actual Topic

Australia launches anti-terror raids in Sydney and Brisbane

(BBC) Australian police have made arrests in Sydney and Brisbane, in what they say is the nation's biggest counter-terrorism operation.

More than 600 heavily armed officers raided properties in the two cities. Police said the operation was ongoing, giving no further details.

Last week the country raised its terror threat level from medium to high.

The move comes in response to growing concern over the domestic impact of militant conflicts in Iraq and Syria.

'No specific intelligence'

Police said the raids were being carried out in the western parts of Sydney and Brisbane's south.

Officials declined to say exactly how many people were arrested. Further updates are expected later on Thursday.

Separately, in one part of Sydney, death threats were shouted from a car bearing a flag of Islamic State militants near a church, Australia's Sydney Morning Herald reported.

Perhaps someone could explain, why, in the perfectly harmonious, multicultural society that is Australia.

Over 600 heavily armed police would need to carry out such an operation.

Perhaps it was just training !!

[JockPieandBeans]

It was a news report, are you disputing the charges? maybe you would like to get a petition up for him against the poor blokes 'oppression'? An illegal immigrant ordered to leave 3 times and given a million dollars in payments, only to plot murder against Australians, sounds like taking a fair go just a bit too far!

Remember, that in the UK, they do not apply for Job Seekers Allowance, the apply For Jihadi Seekers Allowance.

But I am fairly certain that the Australian Muslims are a fer better class of Muslims that the UK Muslims

[samran]

A fair go for this Muslim on Oz included 19 years on benefits, and how did he re pay Australians, by obeying his religion of course. note the peace and law abiding nature of Muslims outside the court

Resorting to trailer park trash TV now to make your point? The same TV show which every second segment is a weight loss solution or celebrity story. And I'm being called desperate.

If he broke the law, jail him.

It was a news report, are you disputing the charges? maybe you would like to get a petition up for him against the poor blokes 'oppression'? An illegal immigrant ordered to leave 3 times and given a million dollars in payments, only to plot murder against Australians, sounds like taking a fair go just a bit too far!

Which bit of 'if he broke the law jail him' confuses you?

But yes, if you are going to source something, as someone who is familiar with Australia ( you clearly aren't) I'd use a programme who doesn't specialise in weight loss stories.

If you are so good at google, what happened to him?

[jacky54]

samran do you actually know anything about Islam, it's history, the life of the prophet or modern day jihad at all?

[samran]

samran do you actually know anything about Islam, it's history, the life of the prophet or modern day jihad at all?

Clearly not enough to start making jokes about them on Thai visa.

Why don't you go about educating me then.

[samran]

The actual Topic

Australia launches anti-terror raids in Sydney and Brisbane

(BBC) Australian police have made arrests in Sydney and Brisbane, in what they say is the nation's biggest counter-terrorism operation.

More than 600 heavily armed officers raided properties in the two cities. Police said the operation was ongoing, giving no further details.

Last week the country raised its terror threat level from medium to high.

The move comes in response to growing concern over the domestic impact of militant conflicts in Iraq and Syria.

'No specific intelligence'

Police said the raids were being carried out in the western parts of Sydney and Brisbane's south.

Officials declined to say exactly how many people were arrested. Further updates are expected later on Thursday.

Separately, in one part of Sydney, death threats were shouted from a car bearing a flag of Islamic State militants near a church, Australia's Sydney Morning Herald reported.

Perhaps someone could explain, why, in the perfectly harmonious, multicultural society that is Australia.

Over 600 heavily armed police would need to carry out such an operation.

Perhaps it was just training !!

How many were arrested again?

[jacky54]

samran do you actually know anything about Islam, it's history, the life of the prophet or modern day jihad at all?

Clearly not enough to start making jokes about them on Thai visa.

Why don't you go about educating me then.

That's the expected no then, I did not see any jokes. Why not go way and read up and come back when you have something to back up your insults, snide remarks and non contribution. It's obvious you are only here for the agro you are trying to ferment and not interested in the subject as such, if you are you would bother to learn about it.

[samran]

samran do you actually know anything about Islam, it's history, the life of the prophet or modern day jihad at all?

Clearly not enough to start making jokes about them on Thai visa.

Why don't you go about educating me then.

That's the expected no then, I did not see any jokes. Why not go way and read up and come back when you have something to back up your insults, snide remarks and non contribution. It's obvious you are only here for the agro you are trying to ferment and not interested in the subject as such, if you are you would bother to learn about it.

Do help me with appropriate sites then I should read from. I wouldn't want to be accidentally converted reading the wrong ones.

As for jokes, wasn't it yours about the blow up at such a young age these days? What about jocks jihadi seekers payment?

Edited September 29, 2014 by samran

[JockPieandBeans]

The actual Topic

Australia launches anti-terror raids in Sydney and Brisbane

(BBC) Australian police have made arrests in Sydney and Brisbane, in what they say is the nation's biggest counter-terrorism operation.

More than 600 heavily armed officers raided properties in the two cities. Police said the operation was ongoing, giving no further details.

Last week the country raised its terror threat level from medium to high.

The move comes in response to growing concern over the domestic impact of militant conflicts in Iraq and Syria.

'No specific intelligence'

Police said the raids were being carried out in the western parts of Sydney and Brisbane's south.

Officials declined to say exactly how many people were arrested. Further updates are expected later on Thursday.

Separately, in one part of Sydney, death threats were shouted from a car bearing a flag of Islamic State militants near a church, Australia's Sydney Morning Herald reported.

Perhaps someone could explain, why, in the perfectly harmonious, multicultural society that is Australia.

Over 600 heavily armed police would need to carry out such an operation.

Perhaps it was just training !!

How many were arrested again?

Samran

It matters not how many were arrested.

It demonstrates that somewhere along the line, there are Muslims in Australia that are clearly up to no good.

You contend that Australia is a diverse, multicultural society that lives in harmony.

This clearly demonstrates that this is not the case. Otherwise there would have been no need for over 600 armed police taking part in an Operation.

That Operation was not targeted at Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hind's or Buddhists.

It was a targeted Operation against Muslims.

[JockPieandBeans]

As for jokes, wasn't it yours about the blow up at such a young age these days? What about jocks jihadi payment?

You think that was a joke Samran ?

It was no joke, there is a whole documentary about it. The statement was made by a certain Anjam Choudary, who is currently on bail.

[samran]

The actual Topic

Australia launches anti-terror raids in Sydney and Brisbane

(BBC) Australian police have made arrests in Sydney and Brisbane, in what they say is the nation's biggest counter-terrorism operation.

More than 600 heavily armed officers raided properties in the two cities. Police said the operation was ongoing, giving no further details.

Last week the country raised its terror threat level from medium to high.

The move comes in response to growing concern over the domestic impact of militant conflicts in Iraq and Syria.

'No specific intelligence'

Police said the raids were being carried out in the western parts of Sydney and Brisbane's south.

Officials declined to say exactly how many people were arrested. Further updates are expected later on Thursday.

Separately, in one part of Sydney, death threats were shouted from a car bearing a flag of Islamic State militants near a church, Australia's Sydney Morning Herald reported.

Perhaps someone could explain, why, in the perfectly harmonious, multicultural society that is Australia.

Over 600 heavily armed police would need to carry out such an operation.

Perhaps it was just training !!

How many were arrested again?

Samran

It matters not how many were arrested.

It demonstrates that somewhere along the line, there are Muslims in Australia that are clearly up to no good.

You contend that Australia is a diverse, multicultural society that lives in harmony.

This clearly demonstrates that this is not the case. Otherwise there would have been no need for over 600 armed police taking part in an Operation.

That Operation was not targeted at Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hind's or Buddhists.

It was a targeted Operation against Muslims.

Yes, and how many were arrested? Simple question. You have a talent for asking questions, but not answering them.

But your attempts to portray Australia as country of racial and religious angst, are laughable. But I guess you've watched neighbours so you know all about the place.

[JockPieandBeans]

Yes, and how many were arrested? Simple question. You have a talent for asking questions, but not answering them.

But your attempts to portray Australia as country of racial and religious angst, are laughable. But I guess you've watched neighbours so you know all about the place.

Yes, it is a simple question, and I believe that the number arrested was 15 with an undisclosed number held without actually being arrested.

Listen, lets get one thing quite clear here and now. I am not trying to portray Australia as anything. What I am saying is that there is problems in Australia with Muslims.

I will tell what is laughable, your pathetic attempts at Ignore, Deny and Deflect.

[samran]

Yes, and how many were arrested? Simple question. You have a talent for asking questions, but not answering them.

But your attempts to portray Australia as country of racial and religious angst, are laughable. But I guess you've watched neighbours so you know all about the place.

Yes, it is a simple question, and I believe that the number arrested was 15 with an undisclosed number held without actually being arrested.

Listen, lets get one thing quite clear here and now. I am not trying to portray Australia as anything. What I am saying is that there is problems in Australia with Muslims.

I will tell what is laughable, your pathetic attempts at Ignore, Deny and Deflect.

How do I ignore when I've said very clearly that i support any increases in national security spending that is required. Getting rid of Isis. I am on this thread aren't I? Please define 'ignore' for me.

Yes, and I am confident that Australia will work through these current issues. The whole of society will not collapse. Life will go on.

Just like we have done time and again with the problems with triads, mafias, bikie gangs and home grown massacres.

Edited September 29, 2014 by samran

[JockPieandBeans]

How do I ignore when I've said very clearly that i support any increases in national security spending that is required. Getting rid of Isis. I am on this thread aren't I? Please define 'ignore' for me.

Yes, and I am confident that Australia will work through these current issues. The whole of society will not collapse. Life will go on.

Just like we have done time and again with the problems with triads, mafias, bikie gangs and home grown massacres.

You do not Ignore ? I could guarantee that there are posters, other than myself, that will dispute that.

Life will go on. Of that there is no doubt. As the song says " Its life Jim, but not as we know it "

Here is a quote from another Aussie.

The idea is to deter the illegal queue jumpers, the majority of whom are muslim, and who are not fleeing any kind of persecution as the left-wingers would have you believe, but seeking a comfortable existence, compliments of the Australian taxpayer. The reason you have thousands of illegal immigrants crossing your borders (America) every day is because there is no deterrent for them not to do so. I just thank god that Australia is relatively remote and we don't have to suffer the same fate as Italy, where thousands of north Africans turn up by sea. Let them sort out their own mess at home instead of piggybacking on cultures and economies who will eventually collapse under this tidal wave. What's even more distressing is that most of the people who are flooding to western nations are the ones who hate us the most.

Is he another uninformed racist ?

I obviously missed your post. So please tell me again how Muslims and Australians are living side by side in perfect harmony ?

Preferrably with a few independent links to back up your opinion.

Separately, in one part of Sydney, death threats were shouted from a car bearing a flag of Islamic State militants near a church, Australia's Sydney Morning Herald reported.

IF, this report is TRUE. According to you, all Immigrants swear allegiance to Australia. Is this behaviour in line with swearing allegiance to Australia ? Is this behaviour acceptable to the majority of Australian citizens ?

[JockPieandBeans]

Here is an interesting article.

Read the rest of it here

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/lakemba-protest-by-muslims-who-believe-australian-terror-raids-were-unjust-policing/story-fnj3rq0y-1227062988666

The anonymous post said the community needed to “raise your voice as one” if they were angry about what occurred.

“Spread the word, invite Muslims and non-Muslims and send a strong message against this government aggression.”

At a press conference yesterday, NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione said he appreciated the support of the Muslim community.

Mr Scipione said the raids reflected the “reality” of the threat Australians faced.

“You know it is of serious concern that right at the heart of our communities we have people that are planning to conduct random attacks,” he said.

Now I wonder where we have all heard that rhetoric before ?

Is it possible that the NSW Police commissioner is really a closet uninformed racist ?

[simple1]

Yes, and how many were arrested? Simple question. You have a talent for asking questions, but not answering them.

But your attempts to portray Australia as country of racial and religious angst, are laughable. But I guess you've watched neighbours so you know all about the place.

Yes, it is a simple question, and I believe that the number arrested was 15 with an undisclosed number held without actually being arrested.

Listen, lets get one thing quite clear here and now. I am not trying to portray Australia as anything. What I am saying is that there is problems in Australia with Muslims.

I will tell what is laughable, your pathetic attempts at Ignore, Deny and Deflect.

The police raids resulted in two person being arrested and charged. One individual was the one of primary focus, in contact with the Oz guy in Syria who instructed him to try and kidnap and behead someone in Sydney. Others were detained for questioning and later released. Two women were issued Future Court Attendance Notices

In the past year 50 Australians have had their passports cancelled as they were planning to travel to M.E, so yes there is an Islamic extremism problem in Australia; it is not overwhelming. As others have mentioned to date the security forces are on top of the issue. Over the years those arrested in various raids were under surveillance for months. Security people are saying greatest ongoing danger is the 'lone wolf'.

Over the past week a great deal of hysteria has been created by the media and a few politicians. The bogans and far right wing people have responded in their usual brave manner by abuse of Muslim women in the streets of Australia and threathening them via social media.

With the strengthening of anti-terror & hate speech laws, matters will slowly resolve themselves within Australia. Australian security officials have praised the assistance they are receiving from the Muslim community to counter extremist ideology and identify those with a risk profile.

[samran]

Trying to goad me into saying I support illegal immigration.

Quotes from far right websites (showing your true colours now).

All getting a bit much.

Accuse me of defecting but do the same yourself. In spades. You clearly want the last word, so you can have it.

I'm the one with the Australian passport, I'll be the judge of my own country and the people who reside in it.

You can spend the rest of the night looking for links to prove a point in a county you've never been to and you don't know. Knock yourself out.

[JockPieandBeans]

Yes, and how many were arrested? Simple question. You have a talent for asking questions, but not answering them.

But your attempts to portray Australia as country of racial and religious angst, are laughable. But I guess you've watched neighbours so you know all about the place.

Yes, it is a simple question, and I believe that the number arrested was 15 with an undisclosed number held without actually being arrested.

Listen, lets get one thing quite clear here and now. I am not trying to portray Australia as anything. What I am saying is that there is problems in Australia with Muslims.

I will tell what is laughable, your pathetic attempts at Ignore, Deny and Deflect.

The police raids resulted in two person being arrested and charged. One individual was the one of primary focus, in contact with the Oz guy in Syria who instructed him to try and kidnap and behead someone in Sydney. Others were detained for questioning and later released. Two women were issued Future Court Attendance Notices

In the past year 50 Australians have had their passports cancelled as they were planning to travel to M.E, so yes there is an Islamic extremism problem in Australia; it is not overwhelming. As others have mentioned to date the security forces are on top of the issue. Over the years those arrested in various raids were under surveillance for months. Security people are saying greatest ongoing danger is the 'lone wolf'.

Over the past week a great deal of hysteria has been created by the media and a few politicians. The bogans and far right wing people have responded in their usual brave manner by abuse of Muslim women in the streets of Australia and threathening them via social media.

With the strengthening of anti-terror & hate speech laws, matters will slowly resolve themselves within Australia. Australian security officials have praised the assistance they are receiving from the Muslim community to counter extremist ideology and identify those with a risk profile.

Simple 1

I applaud your ability to come forward and admit, that however small or otherwise, that there are indeed problems in Australia.

What I abhor, is those that cannot, will not, or otherwise admit that there is any problem whatsoever.

Just so that there is no misunderstandings. I truly hope that Australia has the backbone to deal with this problem, however large or small it may be.

Yes, it used to be hysteria in the UK 10 years ago, Finally, on the surface, it looks like the UK Government is trying to get to grips with the problem. Unfortunately, it is my belief that the UK has now passed the point of no return.

I truly hope that Australia deals with this before it gets too serious.

[chuckd]

It doesn't take a great number of terrorists to become a threat.

Eleven terrorists killed nearly 3,000 people on 9/11/01.

[JockPieandBeans]

Trying to goad me into saying I support illegal immigration.

Quotes from far right websites (showing your true colours now).

All getting a bit much.

Accuse me of defecting but do the same yourself. In spades. You clearly want the last word, so you can have it.

I'm the one with the Australian passport, I'll be the judge of my own country and the people who reside in it.

You can spend the rest of the night looking for links to prove a point in a county you've never been to and you don't know. Knock yourself out.

You are really something else. Where did I try and goad you into saying you support Illegal Immigration ? I posted a fellow Aussie's post to show you that not all Aussie's had the same view as you on your Australian utopia.

According to you, I have never been to Australia, so how would I know it was a far right website ?

Your the one with the Aussie passport, so you will judge ? Why, who do you think you are ?

I was good enough to answer your question, but you cannot do likewise ?

Well done

[jacky54]

Another lover of Australia

[transam]

Another lover of Australia

Yes, a lier and a bigot that should be sent back to shagging camel land.

[giddyup]

Another lover of Australia

These rabid, hate filled clerics aren't preaching to empty mosques, so what do all his faithful think? That he was talking a lot of nonsense and should be expelled? Or are they taking in every word as it's being spoken by Allah himself? How many mosques in Australia, the UK and Europe is similar rhetoric being preached?

[JockPieandBeans]

Another lover of Australia

These rabid, hate filled clerics aren't preaching to empty mosques, so what do all his faithful think? That he was talking a lot of nonsense and should be expelled? Or are they taking in every word as it's being spoken by Allah himself? How many mosques in Australia, the UK and Europe is similar rhetoric being preached?

Conversely, how many " other denomination " churches are allowed to spout their rhetoric in Muslim Countries ?

I wonder why that would be ?