Thai Police: Flaws in Koh Tao murder case now fixed

[TTom911]

The UK will not do ANYTHING which would have any significant (meaning, more than cosmetic) until they can't avoid it. Most countries would act the same way, unfortunately - called "diplomacy". And that's what "everyone" counts on and continues with "business as usual" ... It would be a very pleasant surprise if proven wrong here... I really can't see that happening, coz it would be a very public and unpleasant exercise as the "behind closed doors" options get lesser and lesser...

[OnTheRun]

Where has Sean disappeared to? I thought he was central to this case as a witness. Also with his conviction last year in the UK he shouldn't have been in Thailand in the first place but I suppose that is one flaw in the visa waver programme.

[Frank James]

If these boys are given really good legal representation, and time to mount a proper defense, this case will get blown out of court. It is such a flagrant railroad job!

[Andre0720]

Was about time they went back to that beach and fixed it up... Made it exactly the way it was before everybody tampered with the evidence..

And after it was fixed, then performed the correct analysis the way it should have been done...

Now we can proceed with the case right?

[Carrerakiss]

The person who did the English translation of this article is doing a disservice to the readers. The case was turned away because it was "incomplete". The Thai word for "complete" can also be translated as "perfect". In this case the word should be translated as the case is now "complete". Doesn't that sound much more logical?

It sounds much more logical and thanks for clarifying. But is the case any more complete than it is perfect? Because I think the anxiety that many express over the case is because it appears to be neither.

[Number 3]

The UK will not do ANYTHING which would have any significant (meaning, more than cosmetic) until they can't avoid it. Most countries would act the same way, unfortunately - called "diplomacy". And that's what "everyone" counts on and continues with "business as usual" ... It would be a very pleasant surprise if proven wrong here... I really can't see that happening, coz it would be a very public and unpleasant exercise as the "behind closed doors" options get lesser and lesser...

Don't underestimate them yet, the FCO has acted more forcefully now than what was first expected.

I'll throw my hat in and say that the UK coroners report WILL be made public sooner rather than later.

This foregone conclusion can be circumvented. I expect the FCO will act in an unprecedented manner. Myanmar and GB need to shadow each other at every turn right now and show strength with Myanmars leadership.

Kent can stay in the back stalls. I doubt as a career diplo he would be comfortable any other way. Gen Prayuth seems to think he can puppet him around.

New international policies can be developed by reacting to these very types of circumstances.

Clocks ticking though so get it moving -sooner rather than later please lads.

[TTom911]

The UK will not do ANYTHING which would have any significant (meaning, more than cosmetic) until they can't avoid it. Most countries would act the same way, unfortunately - called "diplomacy". And that's what "everyone" counts on and continues with "business as usual" ... It would be a very pleasant surprise if proven wrong here... I really can't see that happening, coz it would be a very public and unpleasant exercise as the "behind closed doors" options get lesser and lesser...

Don't underestimate them yet, the FCO has acted more forcefully now than what was first expected.

I'll throw my hat in and say that the UK coroners report WILL be made public sooner rather than later.

This foregone conclusion can be circumvented. I expect the FCO will act in an unprecedented manner. Myanmar and GB need to shadow each other at every turn right now and show strength with Myanmars leadership.

Kent can stay in the back stalls. I doubt as a career diplo he would be comfortable any other way. Gen Prayuth seems to think he can puppet him around.

New international policies can be developed by reacting to these very types of circumstances.

Clocks ticking though so get it moving -sooner rather than later please lads.

everybody just wants to see justice, independent of nationality, race and status... "that's all"... but generally not a ver "sexy" political/diplomatic subject... let's see...

[Si Thea01]

It could be that the social media have speculated too much on several instances and the police actually have a case.

It could be that the police has got it completely wrong and the social media have brought to light legitimate arguments.

It could be a bit of both.

However, saying a case is now perfect..............

I hope something has been lost in translation here.

Lets wait and see.

I would hazard a guess it 's another mistranslation, this time of the word สมบูรณ somboon which can mean complete or perfect, whole. Complete would clearly be the right word here.

I tend to agree with you but I would like to see how the sentence was written in Thai in order that our understanding of the translation means what we believe it does. I only say this, as the educated Thais, whom I associate with and are able to speak clear English, do on occasions, tend not understand certain aspect of our language and do lose something in their translation.

[Number 3]

If these boys are given really good legal representation, and time to mount a proper defense, this case will get blown out of court. It is such a flagrant railroad job!

Not a chance mate.

Stitched up ass@&£ to breakfast on the Thai side

Sorry. It's up to the UK and Myanmar to load the pressure and produce some of their own findings at the expense of the Thais losing face. They are dealing with two lives under - dare we say - a military junta.

All bets are off start producing ....

[heyexile]

!`m sure the good judge will not have been fixed too. Has that ever happened before? Thought not.

[Tonawatchee]

Sillier by the day.

[DennisF]

The UK will not do ANYTHING which would have any significant (meaning, more than cosmetic) until they can't avoid it. Most countries would act the same way, unfortunately - called "diplomacy". And that's what "everyone" counts on and continues with "business as usual" ... It would be a very pleasant surprise if proven wrong here... I really can't see that happening, coz it would be a very public and unpleasant exercise as the "behind closed doors" options get lesser and lesser...

Don't underestimate them yet, the FCO has acted more forcefully now than what was first expected.

I'll throw my hat in and say that the UK coroners report WILL be made public sooner rather than later.

This foregone conclusion can be circumvented. I expect the FCO will act in an unprecedented manner. Myanmar and GB need to shadow each other at every turn right now and show strength with Myanmars leadership.

Kent can stay in the back stalls. I doubt as a career diplo he would be comfortable any other way. Gen Prayuth seems to think he can puppet him around.

New international policies can be developed by reacting to these very types of circumstances.

Clocks ticking though so get it moving -sooner rather than later please lads.

I will ask again in the hope there is someone knowledgeable about this: Can a UK corponer return a verdict of ' killed by person or persons unknown'

regardless of any convictions in another country that the coroner feels are not 'correct;. Also, would a coroner consult with police before returning such a verdict?

I ask because if it is possible then a verdict such as this would have serious repercussions (diplomatically) and further isolate Thailand and its rule of law.

[bikerbri]

The latest from the Thai newspapers is the report from the CCTV expert who states that the video taken of the Koh Tao head mans son coming out of his Bangkok apartment allegedly at the time of the murder has been doctored. He states that the dates on the video have been changed and the CCTW camera its self has been changed for one that gives a different position of the sons movements.

There are also reported doubts of the police statement that the was no DNA found inside the condom because sea water may have washed it away.Porntip Rojanasunan the respected Thai forensic scientist makes the observation that if salt water had washed away the DNA from inside the condom,it would also have washed away any of the girl victims DNA from the outside of the condom. Although the Thai police maintain that the reason why no DNA was found inside the condom was because of the contamination by sea water,they have not explained why it did not wash away the girls DNA from the outside of the condom. These questions need to be answered.

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[TheCruncher]

I think they used the correct wording. FIXED

[Number 3]

The UK will not do ANYTHING which would have any significant (meaning, more than cosmetic) until they can't avoid it. Most countries would act the same way, unfortunately - called "diplomacy". And that's what "everyone" counts on and continues with "business as usual" ... It would be a very pleasant surprise if proven wrong here... I really can't see that happening, coz it would be a very public and unpleasant exercise as the "behind closed doors" options get lesser and lesser...

Don't underestimate them yet, the FCO has acted more forcefully now than what was first expected.

I'll throw my hat in and say that the UK coroners report WILL be made public sooner rather than later.

This foregone conclusion can be circumvented. I expect the FCO will act in an unprecedented manner. Myanmar and GB need to shadow each other at every turn right now and show strength with Myanmars leadership.

Kent can stay in the back stalls. I doubt as a career diplo he would be comfortable any other way. Gen Prayuth seems to think he can puppet him around.

New international policies can be developed by reacting to these very types of circumstances.

Clocks ticking though so get it moving -sooner rather than later please lads.

I will ask again in the hope there is someone knowledgeable about this: Can a UK corponer return a verdict of ' killed by person or persons unknown'

regardless of any convictions in another country that the coroner feels are not 'correct;. Also, would a coroner consult with police before returning such a verdict?

I ask because if it is possible then a verdict such as this would have serious repercussions (diplomatically) and further isolate Thailand and its rule of law.

Coroner can return what they believe to be the cause of death and likely weapon/s used.

That could potentially be enough to throw this case ass up.

[BoristheBlade]

The British are waiting for the right moment, one thing Britain still does well and their arn't many things left that it does.

Let the RTP and General do their evil dirty set up...then bang...the Brits hang them out to dry with the world watching!!

Where were the blood splatters on the clothes of the accused the morning after ?

Where were the wet clothes of the accused after they had dragged David into the sea ?

Where is the CCTV footage of them going back home via the bar where they left the guitar ?

Were their finger prints on the murder weapons ?

Why was their DNA not matched the first time they were tested ?

Who used the condom with Hannah's DNA on the outside and nothing on the inside ?

How did their semen get on the outside of the condom when there was no mention of it earlier ?

Have these and the many other questions been fixed ?

Come on now, let's not get too picky.

Where's the UK Coroners report ? Nuff time to come to a "perfect" report too wouldn't you say lads?
The faster this can come out (and I do not understand the delay here) the faster these BIBs goose is Rficken COOKED.

[heyexile]

The latest from the Thai newspapers is the report from the CCTV expert who states that the video taken of the Koh Tao head mans son coming out of his Bangkok apartment allegedly at the time of the murder has been doctored. He states that the dates on the video have been changed and the CCTW camera its self has been changed for one that gives a different position of the sons movements.

There are also reported doubts of the police statement that the was no DNA found inside the condom because sea water may have washed it away.Porntip Rojanasunan the respected Thai forensic scientist makes the observation that if salt water had washed away the DNA from inside the condom,it would also have washed away any of the girl victims DNA from the outside of the condom. Although the Thai police maintain that the reason why no DNA was found inside the condom was because of the contamination by sea water,they have not explained why it did not wash away the girls DNA from the outside of the condom. These questions need to be answered.

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Good point.

One high ranker (Somyot?) was asked about the condom on Thai TV. He was with the police head forensics guy (in white coat). The high ranker looked confused as to why salt water had removed dna traces from inside but not outside. Looked over to forensics head who stayed quiet. Finally stuttered that maybe they did not do enough tests. Unfortunately interviewer did not pursue.

[Number 3]

Could someone translate and repost? Interesting that Pol Col Prachum Ruangthong, the Koh Phangan and Koh Tao police chief, blames the Military for the half and dark moon parties not being cancelled in the first line of this article. I think that the someone should ask the military about the serious accusation made by the police. "Police had tried to push for a ban on the two gatherings (Black and Half moon parties) earlier but the organisers lobbied soldiers to be allowed to continue them, said Pol Col Prachum Ruangthong, the Koh Phangan police.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/tourism-and-transport/437750/ban-urged-on-some-phangan-parties

This as posted on csi la.

Rats in the ranks!

[A1Str8]

Fixed how? The "man" behind the murder is going to jail?

[goferman]

I've yet to see a single mention of this, in international media. It's hard to deal with, but people die, and constantly all over the world. I don't understand this daily obsession, even here on TVF.

Time mag not good enuf??

http://time.com/3487462/thailand-koh-tao-murders-hannah-witheridge-david-miller-zaw-lin-win-zaw-htun/

[DennisF]

The UK will not do ANYTHING which would have any significant (meaning, more than cosmetic) until they can't avoid it. Most countries would act the same way, unfortunately - called "diplomacy". And that's what "everyone" counts on and continues with "business as usual" ... It would be a very pleasant surprise if proven wrong here... I really can't see that happening, coz it would be a very public and unpleasant exercise as the "behind closed doors" options get lesser and lesser...

Don't underestimate them yet, the FCO has acted more forcefully now than what was first expected.

I'll throw my hat in and say that the UK coroners report WILL be made public sooner rather than later.

This foregone conclusion can be circumvented. I expect the FCO will act in an unprecedented manner. Myanmar and GB need to shadow each other at every turn right now and show strength with Myanmars leadership.

Kent can stay in the back stalls. I doubt as a career diplo he would be comfortable any other way. Gen Prayuth seems to think he can puppet him around.

New international policies can be developed by reacting to these very types of circumstances.

Clocks ticking though so get it moving -sooner rather than later please lads.

I will ask again in the hope there is someone knowledgeable about this: Can a UK corponer return a verdict of ' killed by person or persons unknown'

regardless of any convictions in another country that the coroner feels are not 'correct;. Also, would a coroner consult with police before returning such a verdict?

I ask because if it is possible then a verdict such as this would have serious repercussions (diplomatically) and further isolate Thailand and its rule of law.

Coroner can return what they believe to be the cause of death and likely weapon/s used.

That could potentially be enough to throw this case ass up.

Frankly I see this as the one of the only hopes for the 2 Burmese guys, if they are innocent, which many, myself included, believe to be the case.

Googled the coroner and it is interesting the scope he/she is given. particularly the sections inquest conclusions and narrative verdicts.

In a case such as David and Hannahs it also seems that the coroner can have a jury, that would be a good thing.

As said, this report could b;low this case sky high and cause much loss of face internationally.

The junta could be in serious trouble, even at home as social media would have a field day with it.

[Carrerakiss]

And all the posters like EyesWideOpen claiming that the general was gonna clean up LOS and corruption was all but dead under super Prayuth. Yet all the man could muster was a hint of 'som nom na' at the girl for wearing a bikini!

And she wasn't even doing that.

I fear the General is not one to follow in conflict. He is winning the battle, but perhaps losing a war. Had he thrown a few police sergeants under the bus and had proper police do a proper job, he could well have lived up to his billing as a modern day reformer for a nation gradually slipping into civil war.

Unfortunately, he chose to support the old way of doing things. And he can't deny them, he is Thai, he obviously knows how things work in Thailand.

So, he may win this battle, because gradually the British may lose focus and the case slips away from peoples consciousness. But it will only serve to reinforce the West's current view that an illegitimate military government is trampling over human rights. And destroy the hopes of Thai people that they have a reformer as a leader.

Whilst I hesitate to mention his name because I really don't want to give his argument any oxygen, there is a fugitive from Thai justice who claims the case against him was politically motivated. It's arguable that Western countries have mostly sat on the fence with regard to his claims. Which way might they lean now I wonder.

Think strategic general. It's not just Western countries who may be losing faith, your own people are getting a serious case of déjà vu over your coup.

[Lancashireman]

In other news, 400 tons of water buffalo manure was trucked to the port at Laem Chabang last seen loaded onto barges destined for Koh Samui to be used to fill the holes in the murder case at Koh Tao of two British Tourists. Prosecutors are furiously using sand pails collected from nearby Koh Phangan beach to carry said manure to the court house where they are patching up the massive defects in the current pile of bovine excrement that they call a "police investigation"

Cynicism cuts and out bleeds truth...don't stop...

[Carrerakiss]

I've yet to see a single mention of this, in international media. It's hard to deal with, but people die, and constantly all over the world. I don't understand this daily obsession, even here on TVF.

Time mag not good enuf??

http://time.com/3487462/thailand-koh-tao-murders-hannah-witheridge-david-miller-zaw-lin-win-zaw-htun/

It's on the BBC website today. I smell a troll.

[Number 3]

The UK will not do ANYTHING which would have any significant (meaning, more than cosmetic) until they can't avoid it. Most countries would act the same way, unfortunately - called "diplomacy". And that's what "everyone" counts on and continues with "business as usual" ... It would be a very pleasant surprise if proven wrong here... I really can't see that happening, coz it would be a very public and unpleasant exercise as the "behind closed doors" options get lesser and lesser...

Don't underestimate them yet, the FCO has acted more forcefully now than what was first expected.

I'll throw my hat in and say that the UK coroners report WILL be made public sooner rather than later.

This foregone conclusion can be circumvented. I expect the FCO will act in an unprecedented manner. Myanmar and GB need to shadow each other at every turn right now and show strength with Myanmars leadership.

Kent can stay in the back stalls. I doubt as a career diplo he would be comfortable any other way. Gen Prayuth seems to think he can puppet him around.

New international policies can be developed by reacting to these very types of circumstances.

Clocks ticking though so get it moving -sooner rather than later please lads.

I will ask again in the hope there is someone knowledgeable about this: Can a UK corponer return a verdict of ' killed by person or persons unknown'

regardless of any convictions in another country that the coroner feels are not 'correct;. Also, would a coroner consult with police before returning such a verdict?

I ask because if it is possible then a verdict such as this would have serious repercussions (diplomatically) and further isolate Thailand and its rule of law.

Coroner can return what they believe to be the cause of death and likely weapon/s used.

That could potentially be enough to throw this case ass up.

Frankly I see this as the one of the only hopes for the 2 Burmese guys, if they are innocent, which many, myself included, believe to be the case.

Googled the coroner and it is interesting the scope he/she is given. particularly the sections inquest conclusions and narrative verdicts.

In a case such as David and Hannahs it also seems that the coroner can have a jury, that would be a good thing.

As said, this report could b;low this case sky high and cause much loss of face internationally.

The junta could be in serious trouble, even at home as social media would have a field day with it.

Out of the water Dennis! Watch out junta get yer tissues out.

[ggt]

I can see the movie headline "Keystone Cops Solve Koh Tao Murders" Of course it is a comedy...can not take any announcement in Thailand seriously...

[RTH10260]

One thing the UK team may of found on Hannah's face/body is spit (full of dna!). After a heinous crime of this nature, the perp/perps often spit on the victim to reiterate dominance!

I am just wondering what evidence a UK medical team can still find off a body that has already been thru a disection procedure at a Bangkok facility. Doctors there have been processing the body, as in cutting it open and getting samples. And stitching up and preparing the body for transport to the UK was likely done by some assistants, not in a way to preserve any delicate cues. By the time the corpse reached the UK there must have been many unrelated third party DNA specimens on it. Not to speak about any numbers of third party specimen to be found after the initial professional handling by the local police on KT.

[RTH10260]

One thing the UK team may of found on Hannah's face/body is spit (full of dna!). After a heinous crime of this nature, the perp/perps often spit on the victim to reiterate dominance!

I am just wondering what evidence a UK medical team can still find off a body that has already been thru a disection procedure at a Bangkok facility. Doctors there have been processing the body, as in cutting it open and getting samples. And stitching up and preparing the body for transport to the UK was likely done by some assistants, not in a way to preserve any delicate cues. By the time the corpse reached the UK there must have been many unrelated third party DNA specimens on it. Not to speak about any numbers of third party specimen to be found after the initial professional handling by the local police on KT.

[DennisF]

I use my own metaphors and similes!!! :-)

[mango66]

1st hanna drugged

2nd brought her behind the rocks

3rd min 2 thais - try to rape her ( propably one of them are Nomsod, the other are VHM 2nd son, nephew - or what ever

4th David drops in, want help hanna, get attacked by one of the thais with this knife

5th the 2nd thai leaf hanna, take off the condom - he not errected yet, so no semen inside

6th they finish to kill or iimobilice David , drop him no or later in the sea

7th Sean meantime come in - or were in already before - he dont agree or is a not wanted wittness -

so he is also with the same weapon attacked ( wounds on Davids head and Seans arm seems from same weapon -

8th Sean suceeds to escape

9th David might be still somewhere on floor , but unconscious

10th Hanna is so much drugged, she not able to walk away

11th next shocking - this 2 Burma guys have heard something and have a look,

12th they" got from them the chance to rape hanna , without condom ,

13th after this 2 guys raped hanna , the Thais told them they will hand them over to police

if they will not leave Koh Tau or hide ,

14th Now, they are alone, drown David to the sea, and kill Hanna, even she were maybee also uncousious meantime,

as it seems no defence from her - she wwere killed by the haw, because they fear she could wittnesed next day;

15th they, the Thais did know to escape without footage on the CCTV camera

16th the Burma guys - or a 3rd went to a beachwotch - found the murder scene - and fleed the area - but were captured

by CCTV -

or someone of them remembered that he have lost before something on the rape and wanted to recover it,

17th Davids friend - went maybee later there to search for David as he not returned in the Bungalow -

but he wwre shocked - returned - and feared to be involved or just be later tortured as wittnes by police there,

as everyone there knows about drug, mafia, gangraping and police;

18th Only 1 donger wittnes were left: Sean - so they tried to kill him later, but he suceeded to escape, he still fear their warnings,

that thai mafia would find him everywhere, even in UK and Kill him,

Sean were living and working long time enough on AC bar, he did know , he real would be killed if he would talk;

19th Nomsod and the other Thai inform - his father VHM about the exident

20th Nomsod leave the Iland early morning

21th When the crime were uncovered,

The Big BOss Village Head man´instructed the Police very clearly, how police have to investigate,

that any crime have been done by this Burmese scape goats;

22th On all pictures you can see, the police were never left out a second by the eys and instructions from the village Head man;

23th All bribes have been handed over now,

so the case is " fixed " and clear to go to the prosecution !

Sorry my english , and i am not Sherloc H. but maybee CSI-Th can finalice my report;