Parents say their sons are innocent but beaten to confess

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JohnThailandJohn what are you getting in return from TV for stirring everyone up??

Nothing, his stuff is from KT............

[JohnThailandJohn]

Although they claim they were tortured there doesn't seem to be much details on what physical torture they may have endured and also doesn't seem to be the reason why they confessed. They appear to claim they confessed because of threats ... .

threatened to douse them in petrol and set them alight, or dismember them and dump their bodies in a river, according to the father of one of the suspects

threatened to cut off their limbs, put them in a bag, and dump them in a river if they did not.

threatened to tie the two boys to a tyre, pour petrol on it, and set it alight. My son said they were terrified and confessed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/burmese-men-koh-tao-murders-confessed-death-threats-thai-police-torture-claims

When I asked him why he confessed [to killing the British tourists], he said that the police and interpreter threatened to kill themto cut off their hands and legs and throw them into the sea and to pour fuel on them and set them on fire. They then confessed as they were afraid, Tun Tun Hteik said. http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/father-koh-tao-accused-describes-threats-son.html

confessed to rape and murder only after Thai interrogators threatened to kill them

My son also told me that the police threatened to use tasers on them.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-thai-police-threatened-to-burn-my-son-alive-burma-myanmar-thailand-koh-samui/45369

Possibly the torture they claim is the actual threats of physical torture.

Edited October 25, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[JohnThailandJohn]

Everybody forgets that DNA evidence only proves they are connected to the the victim it does not prove they have commited the crime

Their semen was in one of the victims.

How do you KNOW their semen was in one of the victims? Have you tested it yourself?

How do you know these two are actually dead? Have you examined the bodies yourself?

Edited October 25, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[alfalfa19]

It's obvious that there are Thai plants on this forum, from reading some of the responses. I am not surprised they are trying to do damage control. I don't believe a Falang can be so obviously naive to state some of the idiotic and pathetic posts. So be aware people. They are reading this too.

I agree with you completely. While some of the posts are just nonsense, posted by nonsensical persons, seeking attention, others seem much more sinister, either trying to protect financial interests, or done at the behest of their criminal masters.

[Baerboxer]

What is pretty obvious is the son of the headman won't give DNA. That clinches it!

And why should he - because you say he should?

He is not a suspect, whether you and some others like it or not. Should anybody accused by social media bloggers be forced to give DNA samples?

Would you want your DNA somewhere in the hands of the BiB?

He is not a suspect, unless something changes. Period.

[Baerboxer]

It's obvious that there are Thai plants on this forum, from reading some of the responses. I am not surprised they are trying to do damage control. I don't believe a Falang can be so obviously naive to state some of the idiotic and pathetic posts. So be aware people. They are reading this too.

I agree with you completely. While some of the posts are just nonsense, posted by nonsensical persons, seeking attention, others seem much more sinister, either trying to protect financial interests, or done at the behest of their criminal masters.

Have you ever looked up the word 'paranoia" ?

If not you really ought to.

[StealthEnergiser]

Everybody forgets that DNA evidence only proves they are connected to the the victim it does not prove they have commited the crime

Their semen was in one of the victims.

John you sure rely on thoughts contained within the box. How do you KNOW their semen was in one of the victims? Have you tested it yourself?

Good to see a number of people bringing this up.

I've been following this closely and have seen no actual report stating what JTJ says like it's fact.

JTJ, and go away.

How do you know these two are actually dead? Have you examined the bodies?

Do you have a connection with the owner of in touch resort are you the person who has been protecting him also on facebook ?

and also tried to silent posters on the Facebook Koh Tao Community

[CapFarmer]

Although they claim they were tortured there doesn't seem to be much details on what physical torture they may have endured and also doesn't seem to be the reason why they confessed. They appear to claim they confessed because of threats ... .

threatened to douse them in petrol and set them alight, or dismember them and dump their bodies in a river, according to the father of one of the suspects

threatened to cut off their limbs, put them in a bag, and dump them in a river if they did not.

threatened to tie the two boys to a tyre, pour petrol on it, and set it alight. My son said they were terrified and confessed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/burmese-men-koh-tao-murders-confessed-death-threats-thai-police-torture-claims

“When I asked him why he confessed [to killing the British tourists], he said that the police and interpreter threatened to kill them—to cut off their hands and legs and throw them into the sea and to pour fuel on them and set them on fire. They then confessed as they were afraid,” Tun Tun Hteik said. “So, they have now openly admitted that they didn’t kill them.” http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/father-koh-tao-accused-describes-threats-son.html

confessed to rape and murder only after Thai interrogators threatened to kill them

“My son also told me that the police threatened to use tasers on them.”

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-thai-police-threatened-to-burn-my-son-alive-burma-myanmar-thailand-koh-samui/45369

Possibly the torture they claim is the actual threats of physical torture.

Yes, exactly. That and the actual torture would certainly be enough to elicit a false confession.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Although they claim they were tortured there doesn't seem to be much details on what physical torture they may have endured and also doesn't seem to be the reason why they confessed. They appear to claim they confessed because of threats ... .

threatened to douse them in petrol and set them alight, or dismember them and dump their bodies in a river, according to the father of one of the suspects

threatened to cut off their limbs, put them in a bag, and dump them in a river if they did not.

threatened to tie the two boys to a tyre, pour petrol on it, and set it alight. My son said they were terrified and confessed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/burmese-men-koh-tao-murders-confessed-death-threats-thai-police-torture-claims

When I asked him why he confessed [to killing the British tourists], he said that the police and interpreter threatened to kill themto cut off their hands and legs and throw them into the sea and to pour fuel on them and set them on fire. They then confessed as they were afraid, Tun Tun Hteik said. So, they have now openly admitted that they didnt kill them. http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/father-koh-tao-accused-describes-threats-son.html

confessed to rape and murder only after Thai interrogators threatened to kill them

My son also told me that the police threatened to use tasers on them.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-thai-police-threatened-to-burn-my-son-alive-burma-myanmar-thailand-koh-samui/45369

Possibly the torture they claim is the actual threats of physical torture.

Yes, exactly. That and the actual torture would certainly be enough to elicit a false confession.

What "actual torture"? They have been very detailed in threats but not seeing any actual links to what physical torture they say they endured. Do you have any links?

Edited October 25, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[StealthEnergiser]

Although they claim they were tortured there doesn't seem to be much details on what physical torture they may have endured and also doesn't seem to be the reason why they confessed. They appear to claim they confessed because of threats ... .

threatened to douse them in petrol and set them alight, or dismember them and dump their bodies in a river, according to the father of one of the suspects

threatened to cut off their limbs, put them in a bag, and dump them in a river if they did not.

threatened to tie the two boys to a tyre, pour petrol on it, and set it alight. My son said they were terrified and confessed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/burmese-men-koh-tao-murders-confessed-death-threats-thai-police-torture-claims

When I asked him why he confessed [to killing the British tourists], he said that the police and interpreter threatened to kill themto cut off their hands and legs and throw them into the sea and to pour fuel on them and set them on fire. They then confessed as they were afraid, Tun Tun Hteik said. So, they have now openly admitted that they didnt kill them. http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/father-koh-tao-accused-describes-threats-son.html

confessed to rape and murder only after Thai interrogators threatened to kill them

My son also told me that the police threatened to use tasers on them.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-thai-police-threatened-to-burn-my-son-alive-burma-myanmar-thailand-koh-samui/45369

Possibly the torture they claim is the actual threats of physical torture.

Yes, exactly. That and the actual torture would certainly be enough to elicit a false confession.

What "actual torture"? They have been very detailed in threats but not seeing any actual links to what physical torture they may have endured. Do you have any links?

Do you have a connection with the owner of in touch resort are you the person who has been protecting him also on facebook ?

and also tried to silent posters on the Facebook Koh Tao Community

[JohnThailandJohn]

Although they claim they were tortured there doesn't seem to be much details on what physical torture they may have endured and also doesn't seem to be the reason why they confessed. They appear to claim they confessed because of threats ... .

threatened to douse them in petrol and set them alight, or dismember them and dump their bodies in a river, according to the father of one of the suspects

threatened to cut off their limbs, put them in a bag, and dump them in a river if they did not.

threatened to tie the two boys to a tyre, pour petrol on it, and set it alight. My son said they were terrified and confessed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/burmese-men-koh-tao-murders-confessed-death-threats-thai-police-torture-claims

When I asked him why he confessed [to killing the British tourists], he said that the police and interpreter threatened to kill themto cut off their hands and legs and throw them into the sea and to pour fuel on them and set them on fire. They then confessed as they were afraid, Tun Tun Hteik said. So, they have now openly admitted that they didnt kill them. http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/father-koh-tao-accused-describes-threats-son.html

confessed to rape and murder only after Thai interrogators threatened to kill them

My son also told me that the police threatened to use tasers on them.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-thai-police-threatened-to-burn-my-son-alive-burma-myanmar-thailand-koh-samui/45369

Possibly the torture they claim is the actual threats of physical torture.

Yes, exactly. That and the actual torture would certainly be enough to elicit a false confession.

What "actual torture"? They have been very detailed in threats but not seeing any actual links to what physical torture they may have endured. Do you have any links?

Do you have a connection with the owner of in touch resort are you the person who has been protecting him also on facebook ?

and also tried to silent posters on the Facebook Koh Tao Community

LMAO, Keep those eyes closed tight and when they open accidentally and expose you to reality or facts about the case then think of outlandish paranoid theories or accusations to discredit the facts.

Edited October 25, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[StealthEnergiser]

Although they claim they were tortured there doesn't seem to be much details on what physical torture they may have endured and also doesn't seem to be the reason why they confessed. They appear to claim they confessed because of threats ... .

threatened to douse them in petrol and set them alight, or dismember them and dump their bodies in a river, according to the father of one of the suspects

threatened to cut off their limbs, put them in a bag, and dump them in a river if they did not.

threatened to tie the two boys to a tyre, pour petrol on it, and set it alight. My son said they were terrified and confessed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/burmese-men-koh-tao-murders-confessed-death-threats-thai-police-torture-claims

When I asked him why he confessed [to killing the British tourists], he said that the police and interpreter threatened to kill themto cut off their hands and legs and throw them into the sea and to pour fuel on them and set them on fire. They then confessed as they were afraid, Tun Tun Hteik said. So, they have now openly admitted that they didnt kill them. http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/father-koh-tao-accused-describes-threats-son.html

confessed to rape and murder only after Thai interrogators threatened to kill them

My son also told me that the police threatened to use tasers on them.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-thai-police-threatened-to-burn-my-son-alive-burma-myanmar-thailand-koh-samui/45369

Possibly the torture they claim is the actual threats of physical torture.

Yes, exactly. That and the actual torture would certainly be enough to elicit a false confession.

What "actual torture"? They have been very detailed in threats but not seeing any actual links to what physical torture they may have endured. Do you have any links?

Do you have a connection with the owner of in touch resort are you the person who has been protecting him also on facebook ?

and also tried to silent posters on the Facebook Koh Tao Community

LMAO, Keep those eyes closed tight and when they open accidentally and expose you to reality or facts about the case then think of outlandish paranoid theories or accusations to discredit the facts.

Stop talking to your self in the mirror

[elektrified]

seems the Scotland Yard paid yesterday and today ("unofficially" already before? who knows...) a visit to Koh Tao. As per Bangkok Post, which seems we can't link here

Yes, and it looks like a lot more than just "observing" the RTP since the local and provincial RTP were not informed.

So, jdinasia - so much for your insistence that the British detectives will be hand held and only observing and against International Conventions to do anything else! In fact one detective has been on the Island for a few days investigating while others made a "surprise visit" and "The trip was kept secret, with no police officers in Surat Thani province or Provincial Police Region 8 informed. Police based on Koh Tao and neighbouring Koh Phangan were not allowed to join the meeting... "

Just as I (and others said).... The British detectives will no doubt get to the bottom of this corrupt investigation.

[maxme]

It's obvious that there are Thai plants on this forum, from reading some of the responses. I am not surprised they are trying to do damage control. I don't believe a Falang can be so obviously naive to state some of the idiotic and pathetic posts. So be aware people. They are reading this too.

I agree with you completely. While some of the posts are just nonsense, posted by nonsensical persons, seeking attention, others seem much more sinister, either trying to protect financial interests, or done at the behest of their criminal masters.

Have you ever looked up the word 'paranoia" ?

If not you really ought to.

Comes from the person who sees redshirts everywhere...

[CapFarmer]

Although they claim they were tortured there doesn't seem to be much details on what physical torture they may have endured and also doesn't seem to be the reason why they confessed. They appear to claim they confessed because of threats ... .

threatened to douse them in petrol and set them alight, or dismember them and dump their bodies in a river, according to the father of one of the suspects

threatened to cut off their limbs, put them in a bag, and dump them in a river if they did not.

threatened to tie the two boys to a tyre, pour petrol on it, and set it alight. My son said they were terrified and confessed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/burmese-men-koh-tao-murders-confessed-death-threats-thai-police-torture-claims

When I asked him why he confessed [to killing the British tourists], he said that the police and interpreter threatened to kill themto cut off their hands and legs and throw them into the sea and to pour fuel on them and set them on fire. They then confessed as they were afraid, Tun Tun Hteik said. So, they have now openly admitted that they didnt kill them. http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/father-koh-tao-accused-describes-threats-son.html

confessed to rape and murder only after Thai interrogators threatened to kill them

My son also told me that the police threatened to use tasers on them.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-thai-police-threatened-to-burn-my-son-alive-burma-myanmar-thailand-koh-samui/45369

Possibly the torture they claim is the actual threats of physical torture.

Yes, exactly. That and the actual torture would certainly be enough to elicit a false confession.

What "actual torture"? They have been very detailed in threats but not seeing any actual links to what physical torture they say they endured. Do you have any links?

Internet search on "koh tao suspects bruised" brings up thousands of hits.

[Jumper]

No matter the kind of Torture i am receiving, i cannot confess to the crime i did not commit.

I read this post awhile ago, and debated long and hard about whether I should respond (you'll see I rarely respond).

If you've ever been the object of torture, I'm sure you will feel little sympathy for this post.

Surely there are some very brave and strong people who can withstand enormous discomfort, but my own experience (at the hands of my own people during a "training" and "evaluation" exercise) is that I would confess that my grandmother was Jack the Ripper and I helped her (even though we were never simultaneously alive).

There were no bruises left.

[JohnThailandJohn]

seems the Scotland Yard paid yesterday and today ("unofficially" already before? who knows...) a visit to Koh Tao. As per Bangkok Post, which seems we can't link here

Yes, and it looks like a lot more than just "observing" the RTP since the local and provincial RTP were not informed.

So, jdinasia - so much for your insistence that the British detectives will be hand held and only observing and against International Conventions to do anything else! In fact one detective has been on the Island for a few days investigating while others made a "surprise visit" and "The trip was kept secret, with no police officers in Surat Thani province or Provincial Police Region 8 informed. Police based on Koh Tao and neighbouring Koh Phangan were not allowed to join the meeting... "

Just as I (and others said).... The British detectives will no doubt get to the bottom of this corrupt investigation.

What in the world are you going on about. They were brought there by helicopter with Thai officials including Pol Maj Gen Suwat is the chief investigator in the case and toured the crime scene with numerous Thai police. Did you really grab that quote from the news article and miss the rest?

This is exactly how friendly nation observers are treated. By international law and treaties they cannot conduct their own investigation and if they did they would create political turmoil and condemnation from countries around the globe. No reason to risk this when they couldn't even disclose what their spying uncovered be it positive or negative.

Edited October 25, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[Number 3]

No matter the kind of Torture i am receiving, i cannot confess to the crime i did not commit.

I read this post awhile ago, and debated long and hard about whether I should respond (you'll see I rarely respond).

If you've ever been the object of torture, I'm sure you will feel little sympathy for this post.

Surely there are some very brave and strong people who can withstand enormous discomfort, but my own experience (at the hands of my own people during a "training" and "evaluation" exercise) is that I would confess that my grandmother was Jack the Ripper and I helped her (even though we were never simultaneously alive).

There were no bruises left.

Well good on you for responding mate and a bit rough to hear you had to suffer through torture. The mind boggles.

[Number 3]

seems the Scotland Yard paid yesterday and today ("unofficially" already before? who knows...) a visit to Koh Tao. As per Bangkok Post, which seems we can't link here

Yes, and it looks like a lot more than just "observing" the RTP since the local and provincial RTP were not informed.

So, jdinasia - so much for your insistence that the British detectives will be hand held and only observing and against International Conventions to do anything else! In fact one detective has been on the Island for a few days investigating while others made a "surprise visit" and "The trip was kept secret, with no police officers in Surat Thani province or Provincial Police Region 8 informed. Police based on Koh Tao and neighbouring Koh Phangan were not allowed to join the meeting... "

Just as I (and others said).... The British detectives will no doubt get to the bottom of this corrupt investigation.

What in the world are you going on about. They were brought there by helicopter with Thai officials including Pol Maj Gen Suwat is the chief investigator in the case and toured the crime scene with numerous Thai police. Did you really grab that quote from the news article and miss the rest?

Bets are on ! How long will the new maj gen last. This is the third in 6 weeks.

Put this one up against real coppers and see how long he lasts no less.

Where are the two that have been relieved of duties ? Does anyone know or it is all still heresay?

[JohnThailandJohn]

Although they claim they were tortured there doesn't seem to be much details on what physical torture they may have endured and also doesn't seem to be the reason why they confessed. They appear to claim they confessed because of threats ... .

threatened to douse them in petrol and set them alight, or dismember them and dump their bodies in a river, according to the father of one of the suspects

threatened to cut off their limbs, put them in a bag, and dump them in a river if they did not.

threatened to tie the two boys to a tyre, pour petrol on it, and set it alight. My son said they were terrified and confessed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/burmese-men-koh-tao-murders-confessed-death-threats-thai-police-torture-claims

When I asked him why he confessed [to killing the British tourists], he said that the police and interpreter threatened to kill themto cut off their hands and legs and throw them into the sea and to pour fuel on them and set them on fire. They then confessed as they were afraid, Tun Tun Hteik said. So, they have now openly admitted that they didnt kill them. http://www.irrawaddy.org/burma/father-koh-tao-accused-describes-threats-son.html

confessed to rape and murder only after Thai interrogators threatened to kill them

My son also told me that the police threatened to use tasers on them.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-thai-police-threatened-to-burn-my-son-alive-burma-myanmar-thailand-koh-samui/45369

Possibly the torture they claim is the actual threats of physical torture.

Yes, exactly. That and the actual torture would certainly be enough to elicit a false confession.

What "actual torture"? They have been very detailed in threats but not seeing any actual links to what physical torture they say they endured. Do you have any links?

Internet search on "koh tao suspects bruised" brings up thousands of hits.

Forgot about that claim from the lawyer. Maybe that was the other one and not the one the parents visited.

Edited October 25, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[Jumper]

No matter the kind of Torture i am receiving, i cannot confess to the crime i did not commit.

I read this post awhile ago, and debated long and hard about whether I should respond (you'll see I rarely respond).

If you've ever been the object of torture, I'm sure you will feel little sympathy for this post.

Surely there are some very brave and strong people who can withstand enormous discomfort, but my own experience (at the hands of my own people during a "training" and "evaluation" exercise) is that I would confess that my grandmother was Jack the Ripper and I helped her (even though we were never simultaneously alive).

There were no bruises left.

Actually I wasn't totally accurate. I do have a scar from putting a tooth through a lip that required stitches. but that was easily explained away.

[elektrified]

Half an hour with JTJ and his mate JD most people would admit to murder.

It's much better reading and easier to follow since I put that troll JTJ on ignore.

[Number 3]

No matter the kind of Torture i am receiving, i cannot confess to the crime i did not commit.

I read this post awhile ago, and debated long and hard about whether I should respond (you'll see I rarely respond).

If you've ever been the object of torture, I'm sure you will feel little sympathy for this post.

Surely there are some very brave and strong people who can withstand enormous discomfort, but my own experience (at the hands of my own people during a "training" and "evaluation" exercise) is that I would confess that my grandmother was Jack the Ripper and I helped her (even though we were never simultaneously alive).

There were no bruises left.

Actually I wasn't totally accurate. I do have a scar from putting a tooth through a lip that required stitches. but that was easily explained away.

It was ? As In you were hungry? Epileptic?

[thailandchilli]

Half an hour with JTJ and his mate JD most people would admit to murder.

It's much better reading and easier to follow since I put that troll JTJ on ignore.

I second that, I've a far less urge now to respond to the rubbish they post and if I'm feeling like I'm missing something then there's still a tab there to show the missing post immidiatly

[JohnThailandJohn]

Half an hour with JTJ and his mate JD most people would admit to murder.

It's much better reading and easier to follow since I put that troll JTJ on ignore.

I second that, I've a far less urge now to respond to the rubbish they post and if I'm feeling like I'm missing something then there's still a tab there to show the missing post immidiatly

Close them eyes tight --- only way to continue to perpetuate conspiracy theories based on unknowns and incorrect facts.

Edited October 25, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[maynard420]

Umm, where be thy story???

It say's must read, but nothing to read except more wining.......

[DarloKnight]

Half an hour with JTJ and his mate JD most people would admit to murder.

It's much better reading and easier to follow since I put that troll JTJ on ignore.

I second that, I've a far less urge now to respond to the rubbish they post and if I'm feeling like I'm missing something then there's still a tab there to show the missing post immidiatly

Close them eyes tight --- only way to continue to perpetuate conspiracy theories based on unknowns and incorrect facts.

I am parent and if this had happened to my daughter I would want every theory investigated whether it be conspiracy or not I would not rest till this was done, also the same if my child was being accused of murder and there was evidence/theories that she had not committed the crime.

It's called justice and unconditional love!

I take it you and jdinasia are not parents

[Johnsen]

Are u a parent JTJ. Can u understand that line of thinking...

[Number 3]

Are u a parent JTJ. Can u understand that line of thinking...

I am not a parent. I do not need to be a parent to understand the mind of a parent.

I do not need to be a murderer to understand that murder is abhorrent and wrong. Regardless of the fact that it is unlawful.

To be a human being is to have empathy for those that are different to ourselves.

[Jumper]

No matter the kind of Torture i am receiving, i cannot confess to the crime i did not commit.

I read this post awhile ago, and debated long and hard about whether I should respond (you'll see I rarely respond).

If you've ever been the object of torture, I'm sure you will feel little sympathy for this post.

Surely there are some very brave and strong people who can withstand enormous discomfort, but my own experience (at the hands of my own people during a "training" and "evaluation" exercise) is that I would confess that my grandmother was Jack the Ripper and I helped her (even though we were never simultaneously alive).

There were no bruises left.

Actually I wasn't totally accurate. I do have a scar from putting a tooth through a lip that required stitches. but that was easily explained away.

It was ? As In you were hungry? Epileptic?

None of the above. I was 20 years old and wanted to be part of the "program".