DNA test will clear my son: Koh Tao headman

[DennisF]

I mentioned that it might have been better for you to have mentioned your son's occupation, this leads you to go on a rant. Well let me be straight with you, I have nothing but the upmost contempt for the Thai police, and as for your suggestion that I should therefore leave Thailand with my Thai family, that is laughable. Would those millions of Thais who hold this organization in the the same contempt, be also required to leave their country.

I cannot comment on the NK police, but what I can tell you is that the UK police, while not being perfect, is a million miles away from their so called counterparts here in LOS. They certainly would not have made a complete balls up of it, as the Thai police have regarding this brutal murder of two young Brits here in Thailand.

Regarding this particular murder, I would point out to you, that I have not posted on any of the threads relating to this crime, for the simple reason that I have an open mind regarding the culprits, it's just that I do not trust the Thai police to be efficient and honest in upholding the law.

Thank you being upfront and confirming most of what I commented in my previous post.

I want to hear more about your political agenda conspiracy theory....before you take your meds this evening

Can`t be bothered.

That is GOOD,always some good news if you seek it out.

[StealthEnergiser]

I have just been looking at some clips you tube the first clip shows the police going to the crime scene and inspecting the hoe lying on the beach next to a condom.

The second youtube clips shows the hoe in a different area with a small fence around it .

Wouldn't the pollice take the hoe away for forensics ?

I hope the mods will allow these clips to put these clips up as it is a very important part of this case,

1st clip

2nd clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47OYkmyOLP4

Interesting video where the hoe has been moved on the crime scene

Edited October 31, 2014 by StealthEnergiser

[StealthEnergiser]

Exclusive CCTV Emerges Of Thailand Murder Victim [RAW FOOTAGE]

[balo]

That photo is proposturous, I mean really??? we need a go pro attached to that swab now so we can follow the procedure all the way through to the end!!

This post says a lot about some thaivisa posters in here, maybe you should go back to your perfect world where there is no corruption and only justice.

Yes, we should connect a livestream camera to the sample so we all could see that hey were following the correct procedures for a DNA test. Is that what you want ?

Thanks to your social media producing rumours and conspiracies something is actuallly happening here, finally a Dna test of the son! But will you believe it ? Never . So if you already made up your mind then stop posting BS.

Edited October 31, 2014 by balo

[jdinasia]

That photo is proposturous, I mean really??? we need a go pro attached to that swab now so we can follow the procedure all the way through to the end!!

This post says a lot about some thaivisa posters in here, maybe you should go back to your perfect world where there is no corruption and only justice.

Yes, we should connect a livestream camera to the sample so we all could see that hey were following the correct procedures for a DNA test. Is that what you want ?

Thanks to your social media producing rumours and conspiracies something is actuallly happening here, finally a Dna test of the son! But will you believe it ? Never . So if you already made up your mind then stop posting BS.

The conspiracy theorists will never be satisfied

[Travelman868]

DNA test will clear my son: headman

Oh yes I am sure it will. But it won't mean he is 'not guilty' will it?

By the way... He was cleared a month ago when the cash went under the table.

This is nothing like the Red Bull case is it ????

The police should have the original sample taken from Hannah. This sample show have a DNA mix of Hannah and the person who had sex with.

" Unbroken chain of evidence" Hmmmmmmm Ithink not

[dieseldave1951]

That pic is taken thru a glass window. Why?

And what's with the Chief and Headman's hardened gazes? It's that supposed to be don't <deleted> with us?

and the confidence he is innocent come's from ( dont worry son i have fixed it for you now )

you only got to go through the motions never test you really,

[longstebe]

That photo is proposturous, I mean really??? we need a go pro attached to that swab now so we can follow the procedure all the way through to the end!!

This post says a lot about some thaivisa posters in here, maybe you should go back to your perfect world where there is no corruption and only justice.

Yes, we should connect a livestream camera to the sample so we all could see that hey were following the correct procedures for a DNA test. Is that what you want ?

Thanks to your social media producing rumours and conspiracies something is actuallly happening here, finally a Dna test of the son! But will you believe it ? Never . So if you already made up your mind then stop posting BS.

Will you be satisfied with the outcome if they give the lad the all clear?

[dieseldave1951]

British officers had said Thai authorities had done better than they expected and that the investigation had been carried out the same way they would have done it.

[dieseldave1951]

of coarse he will get the all clear, because he will, you know he will, and you know why,

That photo is proposturous, I mean really??? we need a go pro attached to that swab now so we can follow the procedure all the way through to the end!!

This post says a lot about some thaivisa posters in here, maybe you should go back to your perfect world where there is no corruption and only justice.
Yes, we should connect a livestream camera to the sample so we all could see that hey were following the correct procedures for a DNA test. Is that what you want ?
Thanks to your social media producing rumours and conspiracies something is actuallly happening here, finally a Dna test of the son! But will you believe it ? Never . So if you already made up your mind then stop posting BS.

Will you be satisfied with the outcome if they give the lad the all clear?

[jdinasia]

of coarse he will get the all clear, because he will, you know he will, and you know why,

That photo is proposturous, I mean really??? we need a go pro attached to that swab now so we can follow the procedure all the way through to the end!!

This post says a lot about some thaivisa posters in here, maybe you should go back to your perfect world where there is no corruption and only justice.

Yes, we should connect a livestream camera to the sample so we all could see that hey were following the correct procedures for a DNA test. Is that what you want ?

Thanks to your social media producing rumours and conspiracies something is actuallly happening here, finally a Dna test of the son! But will you believe it ? Never . So if you already made up your mind then stop posting BS.

Will you be satisfied with the outcome if they give the lad the all clear?

Because he was in BKK.

[phuketandsee]

Lots of emotion on this thread, understandably I suppose.

My only question is:

How did they do a comparison in 24 hours (or less) when the

US and UK leading experts agree on 48-52 man hours to do so??

BTW: The 'quick' method is still under testing and unproven as of yet.

How do you complete a 48 man-hour job in 24 hours? Pretty simple really, you put 2 men on it. But better to put 4 men on it so they only need to work 12 hours each. Any more questions?

According to the 'experts' it is not possible to share the workload and maintain accuracy.

Thanks for the insight though.

I clearly know diddly about DNA testing and was just being a wise-ass. No offense intended

[boomerangutang]

of coarse he will get the all clear, because he will, you know he will, and you know why

Because he was in BKK.

There are only two posters among hundreds who toe officialdom's line that Nomsod was in Bkk.

Reality check: It's very likely he was not in Bkk. Mucho evidence that Thai officialdom doesn't want to see because it detracts from their fixation on shielding the headman's family. Nomsod's g.f. claimed he wasn't able to be found in Bkk that fateful night. He hid out for a week when everyone knew he was wanted. He avoided (or refused) giving a DNA test until it was clear that his DNA wouldn't match (what appears to be skewed DNA profiles from the crime scene). He got a haircut to lessen the chance of getting a match with the island security video. He probably trashed his phone records (sim etc.) to avoid that being looked in to.

[slygeeza]

just a reminder of how things stood before the evidence apparently changed for unknown reasons

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run/

[jdinasia]

of coarse he will get the all clear, because he will, you know he will, and you know why

Because he was in BKK.

There are only two posters among hundreds who toe officialdom's line that Nomsod was in Bkk.

Reality check: It's very likely he was not in Bkk. Mucho evidence that Thai officialdom doesn't want to see because it detracts from their fixation on shielding the headman's family. Nomsod's g.f. claimed he wasn't able to be found in Bkk that fateful night. He hid out for a week when everyone knew he was wanted. He avoided (or refused) giving a DNA test until it was clear that his DNA wouldn't match (what appears to be skewed DNA profiles from the crime scene). He got a haircut to lessen the chance of getting a match with the island security video. He probably trashed his phone records (sim etc.) to avoid that being looked in to.

Wrong again. There are several. Only 4 post often.

Can I assume you have never had a post paid phone? Or that nobody knew his number on the day of the murders?

How often do you get a haircut? I do every 2 weeks.

[SaamBaht]

The Thai police just don't understand that their very reputation taints the case. If they care about justice, they would allow these foreign investigative observers take over the case and let the case go where the evidence leads them.

I think the Thai police are very much aware that their reputation stands on this case.

The problems being, judging by the comments made by some posters above and the Cludo game detectives making their accusations in the social media and forums, is that they are saying; we do not regard the Thai police or their investigation as having credibility, therefore we will only believe the statements and results collected from an investigation conducted outside the jurisdiction of the Thai police. I believe the people who are stirring up the most trouble are politically motivated into discrediting the present government and I also believe that however this case unfolds the same troublemakers will still be peddling around their conspiracy theories, using the tragic victims as pawns to suit their own political ends and put down the present leadership and in an attempt to destroy the Thai tourist industry.

I am also certain that the British, Thai and other world authorities are aware of this and that all those throwing around their conspiracy accusations against the Thai leadership and police will remain in the social media and other media outlets, but the British government and Burmese government will conclude with the findings of the Thai police investigation.

This is what is going to happen, trust me on this one.

I don't disagree that there is political motivation for deriding the current government and this provides a great opportunity for that. Just sad that they couldn't feel confident enough to let real investigators lead the way.

Wouldn't it be great if the Thai police announced to the world that understand their own corruptness and that it's only fair to the victims to have unbiased investigators on this. Dreaming is free.

[mataleo]

British officers had said Thai authorities had done better than they expected and that the investigation had been carried out the same way they would have done it.

and that's what thais said right.

[jdinasia]

The Thai police just don't understand that their very reputation taints the case. If they care about justice, they would allow these foreign investigative observers take over the case and let the case go where the evidence leads them.

I think the Thai police are very much aware that their reputation stands on this case.

The problems being, judging by the comments made by some posters above and the Cludo game detectives making their accusations in the social media and forums, is that they are saying; we do not regard the Thai police or their investigation as having credibility, therefore we will only believe the statements and results collected from an investigation conducted outside the jurisdiction of the Thai police. I believe the people who are stirring up the most trouble are politically motivated into discrediting the present government and I also believe that however this case unfolds the same troublemakers will still be peddling around their conspiracy theories, using the tragic victims as pawns to suit their own political ends and put down the present leadership and in an attempt to destroy the Thai tourist industry.

I am also certain that the British, Thai and other world authorities are aware of this and that all those throwing around their conspiracy accusations against the Thai leadership and police will remain in the social media and other media outlets, but the British government and Burmese government will conclude with the findings of the Thai police investigation.

This is what is going to happen, trust me on this one.

I don't disagree that there is political motivation for deriding the current government and this provides a great opportunity for that. Just sad that they couldn't feel confident enough to let real investigators lead the way.

Wouldn't it be great if the Thai police announced to the world that understand their own corruptness and that it's only fair to the victims to have unbiased investigators on this. Dreaming is free.

Can you cite any instance of another country giving up sovereign rights of their police? The offer to observe is very rare.

[boomerangutang]

How often do you get a haircut? I do every 2 weeks.

if you look at photos of him just before that fateful night, his sideburns curl forward. The skinny guy shown on the security footage (at Ko Tao, night of the murders) had sideburns which went forward. When we next see him in Bkk with his lawyer, his sideburns curl back. None of those seemingly little things by themselves will nail a conviction, but when a lot of things added up together - it creates some significance.

[jdinasia]

How often do you get a haircut? I do every 2 weeks.

if you look at photos of him just before that fateful night, his sideburns curl forward. The skinny guy shown on the security footage (at Ko Tao, night of the murders) had sideburns which went forward. When we next see him in Bkk with his lawyer, his sideburns curl back. None of those seemingly little things by themselves will nail a conviction, but when a lot of things added up together - it creates some significance.

LOL I love people who cherry pick.

None of your thoughts are proof of anything.

I would expect a student not to have his hair cut quite so often. However, before a major public appearance who would not try to look good?

Note, you didn't answer.

So, have you never had a prepaid phone?

Does nobody have your number??

Edited October 31, 2014 by jdinasia

[SaamBaht]

The Thai police just don't understand that their very reputation taints the case. If they care about justice, they would allow these foreign investigative observers take over the case and let the case go where the evidence leads them.

I think the Thai police are very much aware that their reputation stands on this case.

The problems being, judging by the comments made by some posters above and the Cludo game detectives making their accusations in the social media and forums, is that they are saying; we do not regard the Thai police or their investigation as having credibility, therefore we will only believe the statements and results collected from an investigation conducted outside the jurisdiction of the Thai police. I believe the people who are stirring up the most trouble are politically motivated into discrediting the present government and I also believe that however this case unfolds the same troublemakers will still be peddling around their conspiracy theories, using the tragic victims as pawns to suit their own political ends and put down the present leadership and in an attempt to destroy the Thai tourist industry.

I am also certain that the British, Thai and other world authorities are aware of this and that all those throwing around their conspiracy accusations against the Thai leadership and police will remain in the social media and other media outlets, but the British government and Burmese government will conclude with the findings of the Thai police investigation.

This is what is going to happen, trust me on this one.

I don't disagree that there is political motivation for deriding the current government and this provides a great opportunity for that. Just sad that they couldn't feel confident enough to let real investigators lead the way.

Wouldn't it be great if the Thai police announced to the world that understand their own corruptness and that it's only fair to the victims to have unbiased investigators on this. Dreaming is free.

Can you cite any instance of another country giving up sovereign rights of their police? The offer to observe is very rare.

I'm dreaming. I'll let you know when I wake up.

[IslandLover]

@StealthEnergiser

Thank you for posting the videos in the other thread which was locked by the mods just after you posted them. I had not seen the one sourced from the Thai news site before. It was particularly sad to actually hear the victims' friends speak. Chris Ware appeared to be absolutely shell-shocked. The impression I got from the femail travelling companion (presumably Hannah's room mate and the one who gave her phone to the police) was that Hannah's travelling group barely knew David. I cannot see that they were ever a "couple" as such and IMHO this puts paid to the theory that they were engaged in a romantic encounter on the beach that night. Besides, there was never any solid evidence that this was the case. So what was the so-called confession by the Burmese that they were "aroused" by the activities of the couple all about? I think this is total BS.

It makes a big difference to see moving pictures with sound, rather than the still images which were published in the press. I also noticed the village headman and his brother trampling all over the crime scene before the bodies had even been moved. Still images never tell the whole story.

[ukrules]

@StealthEnergiser

Thank you for posting the videos in the other thread which was locked by the mods just after you posted them. I had not seen the one sourced from the Thai news site before. It was particularly sad to actually hear the victims' friends speak. Chris Ware appeared to be absolutely shell-shocked. The impression I got from the femail travelling companion (presumably Hannah's room mate and the one who gave her phone to the police) was that Hannah's travelling group barely knew David. I cannot see that they were ever a "couple" as such and IMHO this puts paid to the theory that they were engaged in a romantic encounter on the beach that night. Besides, there was never any solid evidence that this was the case. So what was the so-called confession by the Burmese that they were "aroused" by the activities of the couple all about? I think this is total BS.

It makes a big difference to see moving pictures with sound, rather than the still images which were published in the press. I also noticed the village headman and his brother trampling all over the crime scene before the bodies had even been moved. Still images never tell the whole story.

From what I understand David Miller came across a bunch of people raping a woman and he intervened. They killed him for this.

Then they killed her, right now I'm presuming they killed her because she witnessed Davids murder.

This is my opinion only. I hope they convict the correct people for this because someone who does this kind of crime will do it again, it's just be a matter of time...

[MJP]

This isn't aimed at any particular poster, but can I please reiterate the Thai Visa forum rules, in particular rule 11.

11) You will not post slurs, degrading or overly negative comments directed towards Thailand, specific locations, Thai institutions such as the judicial or law enforcement system, Thai culture, Thai people or any other group on the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

Please everyone, do be careful what you post. Please don't use names when discussing possible perpetrators of these murders.

Moderating the Koh Tao topics has become like walking a tightrope for us mods, who do this on a voluntary basis. We all want to see real justice as the outcome of this case. But at the same time we have to be aware of Thailand's rather draconian libel laws which are covered under criminal law as well as civil. This is the reason we have to keep removing posts that link the CSI LA Facebook page and we have to keep to boring old mainstream media reports.

This really isn't easy. We honestly don't want to endlessly remove posts. We are not complicit in any sort of bizarre cover up. But we do have to protect the forum and the people who post here.

If anyone has any questions about this, please PM me rather than replying to this post.

Many thanks,

MJP

[smokie36]

Perhaps looking at the situation on Koh Tao it might have been expected on a small island for the Headman to have done more to help try to solve this case from the beginning.

It is after all his island...a gruesome double murder....seems like there was more obstruction than desire to catch the criminals involved.

Makes you wonder what the role of a headman is on these islands and small outlying areas?

[chooka]

Lots of emotion on this thread, understandably I suppose.

My only question is:

How did they do a comparison in 24 hours (or less) when the

US and UK leading experts agree on 48-52 man hours to do so??

BTW: The 'quick' method is still under testing and unproven as of yet.

The had the results before he submitted to a DNA test.

[bigjules007]

For all you RTP apologists and XXXXX family supporters, I along with a few others have been very vocal about condemning the above organisations because unlike most of the muppet apologists or probably all of the apologists come to think of it, I have had first hand experience in dealings with the Island mafias and the bent RTP, not out of choice but out of necessity, they are ruthless and will do what ever it takes to squirm out of this.

If justice actually prevails here, which at this stage I very much doubt, this would be an absolute massive story of corruption that goes all the way to the top.

The mafias and the RTP are one entity!!!

Jules, I had to edit rather than remove the whole post. Please no names. Thanks, MJP.

Edited October 31, 2014 by bigjules007

[bigjules007]

No worries mate forgot about that ; l

[MJP]

No worries mate forgot about that ; l

You're alright my Bruv. Fret not.

We just need to be very careful in our posting. This is becoming a very tricky situation.

[ClutchClark]

Here is a little exercise for all the keyboard vigilante/crimefighters.

Put yourself in the fathers place and find society making threats and claims against your family and livelihood without having a shred of evidence.

Ofcourse its far easier for more blah, blah blah from this crowd.

The Burmese family didn't quite have 1 Million Baht to offer to Police to get their sons off.

They have just as much right to be pissed off, as their families' lives have also been tainted, no matter the outcome.

So he gave DNA. Nothing can come of it, and that has been paid extra for I guarantee that!

The RTP will not permit a match, even if they find one, as it leaves them in deeper shit than they ever could possibly be - hence, major cover-up.

They said before even taking the DNA, the results do not matter, as the evidence is already in the hands of the courts.

So, even if a match is found, it will be hushed, and paid more for to be hushed. There is a no win situation for the 2 poor lads, even if not guilty - they will be made to be guilty, at all costs.

Commerce,

You failed the exercise.