Popular Post culicine Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 National Police Commissioner Somyot Poompanmoung yesterday said he had invited medical teams from the Police General Hospital's Institute of Forensic Medicine, Chulalongkorn Hospital, Siriraj Hospital and Ramathibodi Hospital to conduct the DNA tests on Warot so as to boost public confidence in the police handling of the case. Let's really make them confident in his innocence and allow the UK to also help you by doing their own test with 'their' samples. No wait....... No doubt they will test his DNA correctly. The problem lies with the reference sample. It seems very few are convinced that a genuine example exists. I ould prefer to see those lab results sent to Sing. to be checked against the original.....why is it not? If Thai police did not have a long history of rampant corruption, such questions would never he raised. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NongKhaiKid Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 I thought the dna evidence against the Burmese was conclusive. Ho-Hum. It is, in a Thainess way. Even if little kid's DNA matches... it won't because of Thainess. If the Burmese DNA is not a match, we will from now on only hear that it is. Prayuth yesterday, "claimed British officers had said Thai authorities had done better than they expected and that the investigation had been carried out the same way they would have done it. British and Thai police studied from the "same textbooks", Gen Prayut said. Yeah, right.... they study the same books my arse. I think the British one has lots of words in it, and not just pretty pictures. Prayuth ' claimed ' may say it all and prove to be another example of Thais speaking on behalf of others. if anyone from the British team spoke in such a fashion it may have been misguided nativity but the officers selected for the trip should be too experienced for that. I'd like to think they were well warned at the embassy to be VERY careful what they say as anything that can be used in a positive light by the Thais will be seized on very quickly. . Who better than the British Embassy to know all about that situation ? However I doubt very much the situation is as projected by the PM as recently Thai officialdom has not be slow in blowing their own trumpet no matter how far from the truth it may be. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LennyW Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 If no UK investigators were present at the testing then the results will be worthless. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Why does everyone think that samples were sent to a laboratory in Singapore? I'm pretty sure they weren't though, would appreciate a link if they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culicine Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Why does everyone think that samples were sent to a laboratory in Singapore? I'm pretty sure they weren't though, would appreciate a link if they were. Initial samples form the victims WERE sent to SP for analyses. That's how they could determine it was asian dna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Why does everyone think that samples were sent to a laboratory in Singapore? I'm pretty sure they weren't though, would appreciate a link if they were. As I understand the timeline it was, Test by the FBI - No, test in Singapore - No, test locally as the facilities etc exist. I'm pretty sure nothing went to Singapore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycallahan Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Not enough focus on the crime scene samples. What was gathered? Are we sure nothing dodgy went on? Assume nothing, rape doesn't have to involve semen deposits. There was once talk of a condom. The hoe handle? How reliable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Here is a little exercise for all the keyboard vigilante/crimefighters. Put yourself in the fathers place and find society making threats and claims against your family and livelihood without having a shred of evidence. Ofcourse its far easier for more blah, blah blah from this crowd. Clutch, If the kid is innocent then I also sympathize with the father but at the same time we need to remember who we are dealing with and where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnThailandJohn Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 Back in the day one way to test if somebody being accused of a witch was to tie waits to her and put her in water. If she didn't sink and die then they would know she was a witch. The conspiracy folks have got to this same point of losing touch with reality and are so caught up in this crowd mentality of accusation that they don't even realize how ignorant and out of touch with reality they have become. It is like lemmings following each other off a cliff, they just can't help themselves and are too far gone to pull themselves back. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WhizBang Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 The ONLY way I would believe the DNA test results, would be if the British investigators took the DNA samples themselves, then personally took it back to London for analysis. The RTP just do not seem to understand that they have ZERO credibility, even amongst the majority of Thais. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnThailandJohn Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 ThaiVisa appears to have become the defacto leading English gathering place for conspiracy theorist to spread their nonsense and make statements that have no basis as fact about a family that case been officially cleared in this case. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnThailandJohn Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 The ONLY way I would believe the DNA test results, would be if the British investigators took the DNA samples themselves, then personally took it back to London for analysis. The RTP just do not seem to understand that they have ZERO credibility, even amongst the majority of Thais. They're very credible if conspiracy theorists want to use something they share or state something that they can use to support their conspiracy theories but not at all credible when they make statements or have evidence that disproves the latest theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post recycled Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 Here is a little exercise for all the keyboard vigilante/crimefighters. Put yourself in the fathers place and find society making threats and claims against your family and livelihood without having a shred of evidence. Ofcourse its far easier for more blah, blah blah from this crowd. My son, you are a pathetic specimen of human being, and I say that in all honesty and with conviction. It is people like you that allow these cretins to breed and bring misery on other people. Put yourself in place of the fathers of the two lads locked up, or are you void of any or all empathy. Despicable comes to mind, but then you probably do not understand the meaning. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WhizBang Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 ThaiVisa appears to have become the defacto leading English gathering place for conspiracy theorist to spread their nonsense and make statements that have no basis as fact about a family that case been officially cleared in this case. They have NOT been cleared. All we have seen are threats from the father and now the police chief about talking about the case. Such threats send up a LOT of red flags to me. Something really reeks about this case, and most of the stench is coming from the RTP and this headman and his family. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 "MEDICAL TEAMS from four institutes yesterday joined the process to conduct DNA tests" This gives "plausible deniability" if results later shown to be "questionable". Wasn't us, but check lab X". Like Marx Brothers with Zeppo thrown in to make 4. "Tis many a slip twixt cup and the lip" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BirdsandBooze Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 A negative test will only serve to prove that he didn't rape the girl. It won't prove that he wasn't involved in the murders. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 ThaiVisa appears to have become the defacto leading English gathering place for conspiracy theorist to spread their nonsense and make statements that have no basis as fact about a family that case been officially cleared in this case. You really adore this word 'conspiracy' don't you. The fact is however there is only one conspiracy going on here and that is to cover up the real killers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lawrence Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 "This sharing can affect the society. It can cause social division and hurt Thailand's and Koh Tao's tourism economy," he said, adding that sharing false information on the Internet was an offence under the Computer Crimes Act.' The coup was about reforms and elections. But the legal system appears to be intact. Corruption was to be eliminated? But just look at the way the two accused have been paraded before the media as the culprits; fingers pointing. Then there were the gearbox cheats for many millions of baht. The military court where no record taking could be made by spectators or the court judge name is published. The fruit canning company takes media reporter to court for defaming their good name? First round is a stalemate, 2nd round still to go to court. No charges of Canning company officials or finger pointing for human trafficing? The main opposition party can't get the guernsey to run the country so a new constitution is now being prepared to turn the tide against a populist government, but in all essence the deposed group provides polices that improve the lives of the majority of people living in the country. A concept the elite democrats cannot come to grips with. Over 70% of GDP is spent on Bangkok? The argument is they pay the greater tax, but fair distribution and decentralistion of government is not on the agenda. The court system is described as politicised and a decision is available to the highest bidder. This only leads to the people that can afford an outcome; and highly unlikely for a neutral outcome. It just doesn't happen. One of the cornerstones to this case is corruption. If the investigation is shown to be tainted by due process, then the whole world will make their own minds up. If the two accused die during the proceedings, then this will also be looked at harsh. So this donkey is worried if someone on social media makes a derogatory comment that affects his standing in the community, then the Thai legal system has a lot to answer for, which is reflected by how this government views these proceedings. If nothing changes nothing changes. There is a lot more at stake than someone's feelings? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nakajima Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 Here is a little exercise for all the keyboard vigilante/crimefighters. Put yourself in the fathers place and find society making threats and claims against your family and livelihood without having a shred of evidence. Ofcourse its far easier for more blah, blah blah from this crowd. could have been easily avoided by not refusing to give DNA, they had it coming. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post casualbiker Posted October 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2014 ThaiVisa appears to have become the defacto leading English gathering place for conspiracy theorist to spread their nonsense and make statements that have no basis as fact about a family that case been officially cleared in this case. They have NOT been cleared. All we have seen are threats from the father and now the police chief about talking about the case. Such threats send up a LOT of red flags to me. Something really reeks about this case, and most of the stench is coming from the RTP and this headman and his family. Actually the police stated earlier and was reported in the press that they "officially cleared" him. You have to ask HOW they did such a thing considering they didn't take a DNA sample? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BngkkB Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I made this same post in another thread, sorry didn't see this thread till after I posted in other. I think the post I made is better for this thread so here it is again: No slander, no false accusation. Here is a link to an interesting Q & A about forensic DNA testing: http://www.esr.cri.n...ges/DNAfaq.aspx Maybe a little background information on Forensic DNA testing will help people to understand what is going on and how tough of a job it really is. Especially how long it takes to get results of a forensic DNA test. I think the police are doing a great job despite all the hurdles they have encountered. It showed a well greased machine to be able to take DNA samples and have final results back so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerakiss Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Why wait 6 weeks to do the test if you're innocent? Why do the test at all if you are guilty? This doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnThailandJohn Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 ThaiVisa appears to have become the defacto leading English gathering place for conspiracy theorist to spread their nonsense and make statements that have no basis as fact about a family that case been officially cleared in this case. They have NOT been cleared. All we have seen are threats from the father and now the police chief about talking about the case. Such threats send up a LOT of red flags to me. Something really reeks about this case, and most of the stench is coming from the RTP and this headman and his family. Actually the police stated earlier and was reported in the press that they "officially cleared" him. You have to ask HOW they did such a thing considering they didn't take a DNA sample? He was not on the island. They already have the suspects in custody whose DNA does match ... so it would be impossible for his DNA to match too. The took DNA from his father and uncle after placing them in custody as suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koele2 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 If the father is looking to sue people for damaging his family's reputation and business, he should start with the police force because they are the ones who put out there that they were looking for his son as a person of interest in the first place. That is what led social media to latch onto the boy as a suspect, otherwise, no one would be the wiser. I wonder if that will happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 this question needs answers who is wearing number 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnThailandJohn Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Why wait 6 weeks to do the test if you're innocent? Why do the test at all if you are guilty? This doesn't make sense. Makes 100% sense if you read the news. He was already cleared by police and his doing this test is to try to clear his name publicly after all the nutters were posting baseless theories as fact and had people believing this stuff. Not everybody will be convinced but clearly they believe this is a step towards waking up some folks who have been duped by the make believe online detectives trying to promote baseless theories and who are now promoting theories of why he must be guilty for doing the test now. . Edited October 31, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthEnergiser Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Why wait 6 weeks to do the test if you're innocent? Why do the test at all if you are guilty? This doesn't make sense. Makes 100% sense if you read the news. He was already cleared by police and his doing this test is to try to clear his name publicly after all the nutters were posting baseless theories as fact and had people believing this stuff. Not everybody will be convinced but clearly they believe this is a step towards waking up some folks who have been duped by the make believe online detectives trying to promote baseless theories and who are now promoting theories of why he must be guilty for doing the test now. . Have you looked at csila page where they are talking about falang supporting the headmans family and a diving business ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 ......after 2 months(?)...... ...and who knows what has transpired throughout all that time..... ...many people thought DNA had been submitted at the beginning.... .......so arrogant...so disheartening ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnThailandJohn Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 this question needs answers who is wearing number 9 Can you identify the names of the two people next to him in the still? What are their names? Did police take DNA from them? Where were they when the murders took place? What criminal records do they have? Was their phone records checked. What time did they leave the island after the murders ...... Oh wait, your not part of the investigation and have no reason to be privy to such information. With this in mind lets pretend the one on the far right was involved and make up theories because of things we don't know ... of course ignoring the fact the semen was already matched to two people in custody. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerakiss Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Why wait 6 weeks to do the test if you're innocent? Why do the test at all if you are guilty? This doesn't make sense. Your first question is completely valid. Why wait indeed. As to the second, well if hypothetically speaking, you are guilty, you would wait until you were able to take a falsified test to show you are innocent, when in fact, you weren't. But this test will not be a match. If the Burmese guys did it, his DNA will not match. If the Burmese guys didn't do it but were fitted up with a falsified DNA test, then there will still not be a match to this guy because his DNA is being compared to a false sample. The only real proof would be if this latest DNA sample were compared to original DNA obtained from the victims body. Although some say that the British may have that from when the bodies were sent home, I very much doubt that the BIB would have allowed the bodies to leave Thailand with any incriminating DNA. That's assuming it is even medically possible to obtain DNA from an embalmed body.. So a non event really. This test won't make him guilty and it won't stop people speculating that he could be guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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