French man found hanged in Koh Tao with his hands tied behind his back – foul play suspected

[JohnThailandJohn]

Informative reading...

Precautions Taken to Avoid Abandoning the Act of Hanging and Reducing Pain in Suicidal Hanging Cases

http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

COMMON MEANS OF SUICIDE

http://dmmoyle.com/simeans.htm

Coronado mansion death: The suicide scenario

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Hanged man with hands tied 'a suicide' say police

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Suicidal hanging versus homicidal hanging – A case report

http://www.indmedica.com/journals.php?journalid=11&issueid=131&articleid=1738&action=article

[biplanebluey]

Two stupid questions (apologies in advance)

• How in the world does one tie one's hands behind one's back... that would seem to require some Houdini-like dexterity

• How does one put a noose around one's neck with one's hands tied behind one's back?

There's obviously a lot for me to learn in this world...

That's erue------Tie your hands in front of you and just step over them.If you make the noose properly it will tighten as you fall

[Fatty123]

Informative reading...

Precautions Taken to Avoid Abandoning the Act of Hanging and Reducing Pain in Suicidal Hanging Cases

http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

COMMON MEANS OF SUICIDE

http://dmmoyle.com/simeans.htm

Coronado mansion death: The suicide scenario

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Hanged man with hands tied 'a suicide' say police

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Suicidal hanging versus homicidal hanging – A case report

http://www.indmedica.com/journals.php?journalid=11&issueid=131&articleid=1738&action=article

The knot seems too tight to be self tied.

[mrtoad]

The knots will be the biggest clue, however will tge forensics look at that?

Edited January 3, 2015 by mrtoad

[JohnThailandJohn]

Informative reading...

Precautions Taken to Avoid Abandoning the Act of Hanging and Reducing Pain in Suicidal Hanging Cases

http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

COMMON MEANS OF SUICIDE

http://dmmoyle.com/simeans.htm

Coronado mansion death: The suicide scenario

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Hanged man with hands tied 'a suicide' say police

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Suicidal hanging versus homicidal hanging – A case report

http://www.indmedica.com/journals.php?journalid=11&issueid=131&articleid=1738&action=article

The knot seems too tight to be self tied.

Where are the pics? Not seeing link ... give me a search phrase if cannot post link.

[Anthony5]

Informative reading...

Precautions Taken to Avoid Abandoning the Act of Hanging and Reducing Pain in Suicidal Hanging Cases

http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

COMMON MEANS OF SUICIDE

http://dmmoyle.com/simeans.htm

Coronado mansion death: The suicide scenario

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Hanged man with hands tied 'a suicide' say police

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Suicidal hanging versus homicidal hanging – A case report

http://www.indmedica.com/journals.php?journalid=11&issueid=131&articleid=1738&action=article

You're not gonna let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, do you?

[Fatty123]

Informative reading...

Precautions Taken to Avoid Abandoning the Act of Hanging and Reducing Pain in Suicidal Hanging Cases

http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

COMMON MEANS OF SUICIDE

http://dmmoyle.com/simeans.htm

Coronado mansion death: The suicide scenario

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Hanged man with hands tied 'a suicide' say police

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Suicidal hanging versus homicidal hanging – A case report

http://www.indmedica.com/journals.php?journalid=11&issueid=131&articleid=1738&action=article

The knot seems too tight to be self tied.

Where are the pics? Not seeing link ... give me a search phrase if cannot post link.

post #180 on here has a pic

[Mises]

The noose is not a self tightening noose and is loose, it looks to me as though a flick back of the head by the victim would have released him.

I conclude:

1) that he did not tie his own hands, if he had prepared thus he would have prepared a self tightening noose.

2) he was likely unconscious or dead when strung up.

3) a message is being sent

In other news did I not read somewhere that Nomsod had returned for the holidays.

[ozyjon]

29 year old French murder suicide

a suicide - - ok

the man’s hands were tied behind his back.

ok

how it is possible for anybody to commit suicide with their hand tied behind their back.

ah ?

next post

[kcirtapyelrah]

Here's an idea for a T-shirt. I reckon if someone screened a bunch of these and sold them to tourists on the island they'd make a great profit.

The Island Of Death-1.jpg

I think they should do that and sell them worldwide; it would have a wonderful effect on tourism.

[Fatty123]

Anyone see the link in these crimes? Majority of recent victims are young, white , male and could be deemed good looking by some. Is this a jealous hi-so on the Island? Someone that feels he can do whatever he likes? Someone who gets angry when the western women go with the young western men?

Just speculating. Although I will not accept that this was a suicide. That is clearly ridiculous. Are foreigners being murdered on Koh Tao? Yes. Does this Island have a population far too low for this many incidents? Yes. Do most of the victims have something in common? Yes.

Could be serial killer on koh Tao. Not saying the Burmese aren't guilty, but were they acting on behalf of someone else? Something isn't right on Koh Tao and it's not stopping.

Stay away!

Majority of recent victims ? As there were only 3 whats a 'majority' ? As only two were male I think your assessments are unravelling !

Victims have something in common ? Like what ? They were under 30 ?

So I suggest a third of the planet should avoid this place !

Something isn't right ? No **** sherlock !

Two? Really? I'll leave it there.

[Smurkster]

well if its foul play, you can rule out any ethnic Thai, they would never do anything like this.....

[Islandlife]

if you were going to hang yourself, tying your own hands would be a "good idea" as it prevents you from changing your mind and scrabbling for the nose whilst you're hanging there.....to do this would also be easy - you tie your hands in front and then step through....once suspended you will be unable to reverse the process.

one presumes you would have prepared the noose and chair before tying your hands.

Your comment makes to much sence.

U must have vested intrest in island .

It has to be faul play if expekt people here comment back at you with out taking a piss.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Islandlife

[Jaggg88]

I would guess people who are murdered then staged to look like suicide happens more times here than we'd like to think. RIP.

Why would they leave the hand tied....dead giveaway....

Perhaps they got disturbed and fled

[JohnThailandJohn]

Informative reading...

Precautions Taken to Avoid Abandoning the Act of Hanging and Reducing Pain in Suicidal Hanging Cases

http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

COMMON MEANS OF SUICIDE

http://dmmoyle.com/simeans.htm

Coronado mansion death: The suicide scenario

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Hanged man with hands tied 'a suicide' say police

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Suicidal hanging versus homicidal hanging – A case report

http://www.indmedica.com/journals.php?journalid=11&issueid=131&articleid=1738&action=article

The knot seems too tight to be self tied.

Where are the pics? Not seeing link ... give me a search phrase if cannot post link.

post #180 on here has a pic

If that is the pic you are going on about the knot being too tight then that is sheer speculation. You are not even seeing how the rope (material) was tied around that wrist let along the other arm or wrist nor can you even tell how tight it is around that wrist ... this is a low res photo of a partial wrist with one or more knots tied in a type of knot that isn't even clear and certainly isn't clear if there were other knots or if the knots would get tighter upon pulling.

To be clear nothing wrong with speculating but this is a big speculation given all that is not known.

[mrtoad]

John have you ever been on scene of a suicide, or are you just one of those text book experts?

[thailandchilli]

Informative reading...

Precautions Taken to Avoid Abandoning the Act of Hanging and Reducing Pain in Suicidal Hanging Cases

http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

COMMON MEANS OF SUICIDE

http://dmmoyle.com/simeans.htm

Coronado mansion death: The suicide scenario

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Hanged man with hands tied 'a suicide' say police

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Suicidal hanging versus homicidal hanging – A case report

http://www.indmedica.com/journals.php?journalid=11&issueid=131&articleid=1738&action=article

You're not gonna let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, do you?

Conspiracy theory?? The case has not even be investigated yet, no autopsy and no facts. Its open to discussion as a suicide or suspicious death:

Here's what should be happening to verify the cause of death in cases like this, thanks for link:

When the corpse is still at the death scene and in the suspended position, a team including a forensic pathologist should make a detailed death scene investigation, to determine the origin of hanging. Evidence from the death scene investigation, statements from witnesses, and the presence of any suicide note, all help to determine whether there are any suspicious circumstances. Further-more, an evaluation of the evidential material, along with the autopsy findings and judicial inquiry data, can establish whether the cause of death was suicide rather than homicide http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

Lets see, what do you think the Koh Tao RTP version will be of this??

[anon022]

If you say the wrong things to the wrong people deliberately, then I consider it planned suicide, once it happens.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Impossible

[slipperylobster]

I suppose I could tie both hands together, if they were in front of me...using one end of the rope in my mouth.

How would i do it from behind?.... perhaps a noose type knot with a long end, tied to another object (for tightening)?

[Friendly Stranger]

Island of death.

Foul play suspected: Bib probably flipped a coin.

[Anthony5]

Informative reading...

Precautions Taken to Avoid Abandoning the Act of Hanging and Reducing Pain in Suicidal Hanging Cases

http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

COMMON MEANS OF SUICIDE

http://dmmoyle.com/simeans.htm

Coronado mansion death: The suicide scenario

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Hanged man with hands tied 'a suicide' say police

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Suicidal hanging versus homicidal hanging – A case report

http://www.indmedica.com/journals.php?journalid=11&issueid=131&articleid=1738&action=article

You're not gonna let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, do you?

Conspiracy theory?? The case has not even be investigated yet, no autopsy and no facts. Its open to discussion as a suicide or suspicious death:

Here's what should be happening to verify the cause of death in cases like this, thanks for link:

When the corpse is still at the death scene and in the suspended position, a team including a forensic pathologist should make a detailed death scene investigation, to determine the origin of hanging. Evidence from the death scene investigation, statements from witnesses, and the presence of any suicide note, all help to determine whether there are any suspicious circumstances. Further-more, an evaluation of the evidential material, along with the autopsy findings and judicial inquiry data, can establish whether the cause of death was suicide rather than homicide http://www.academia.edu/903627/Precautions_Taken_to_Avoid_Abandoning_the_Act_of_Hanging_and_Reducing_Pain_in_Suicidal_Hanging_Cases

Lets see, what do you think the Koh Tao RTP version will be of this??

First of all, I don't think what the RTP version will be, I will read when it's made public. Thinking what it gonna be is a conspiracy theory already.

The case is open to discussion> Going from 99.9% of the posts in this thread, it's clear that the verdict is out already.

[Neilly]

Without a) the lacerations in the body the photos of the deceased c) the prior MO given by a person, graphic enough to match the scene or d) a mystery frenchman providing a testimony on prev. mentioned related case - I'd given some benefit of doubt for the situation. So far the original leaks came from (Khaw or ข่าว) Thailand Online, and a Burmese democracy blogger - the photographer is still unknown. There appears to be some officials one might want to have a word in the background of the photo with the hands tied behind his back (included)

askfromthese.jpg

Jabis, my memory is getting frail, but did I not recently read that there was a witness to the recent Koh Tao murders and that this was a Frenchman?

Or am I imagining that?

Originally it was reported (wrongly) that Sean McAnna was French

I guess we're not talking about the frenchman in protective custody then - as that has been refuted by Mr. McAnna himself, that he has not spent one day in such (and AFAIR he had to resort to media to get an escape).

So now who is a frenchman that could have been in protective custody, or was there one at first place?

It all got mixed up by the BK Post...the two photos that Sean released were attributed to an Frenchman

Going back to an earlier thread...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/762561-terrified-briton-flees-koh-tao-after-mafia-death-threat/page-9

[thailandchilli]

What are you doing here then? Your on a discussion thread!

[Fatty123]

JohnThailandJohn

Look where the knot is tied. That is important. Is he left or right handed? Again, they'll need to find that out. His skin seems to be 'bulging' a little near the knot, indicating the tightness of the knot. Again, I know it is speculation, but I just can't see him doing that himself. Before everyone gets all uppity and blabbering on about conspiracies, I suggest we wait and see what the verdict from the RTP is. check the lad's finances/accounts/lifestyle etc.They may declare this as a murder. The police have already said they 'suspect foul play'.

Seems that way to me, but we'll see (hopefully).

[JohnThailandJohn]

John have you ever been on scene of a suicide, or are you just one of those text book experts?

As opposed to a social media conspiracy theorist who ignores experts, those who were at the scene and textbook facts and relies on rumors and speculations?

The only relevance to having been at the scene of a suicide is if you were at this one. But one thing extremely common in suicides is there are always questions left unanswered and often doubters of it being a suicide regardless of who investigates.

Edited January 3, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[Anthony5]

What are you doing here then? Your on a discussion thread!

Why don't remove my post then?

Oh wait, you're not a moderator, so why you think you have the right to ask anyone what he's doing here?

[Basil B]

Well if attempts to make it look like suicide fail there are still plenty of Burmese around.

[thailandchilli]

What are you doing here then? Your on a discussion thread!

Why don't remove my post then?

Oh wait, you're not a moderator, so why you think you have the right to ask anyone what he's doing here?

Oh wait did I say I was a moderator??? Or did I ask you a question..mmmmm

[mrtoad]

John have you ever been on scene of a suicide, or are you just one of those text book experts?

As opposed to a social media conspiracy theorist who ignores textbook facts and relies on rumors and speculations?

Sadly been on scene a few times. I have lived in the real world.

Note my earlier point regarding knots.

You can pull any academic article that counter claims another point.

Even BIB are now suspicious.

Edited January 3, 2015 by MJP

[sgtsabai]

Our resident KT troll has spoken again and I'll bet a dime to a dollar he/she/it has never been at the scene of a suicide or murder, much less investigated. As I posted before, I have and I would not trust the KT cops to investigate a leaking toilet.