Ban electoral fraudsters for life call

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Ban electoral fraudsters for life call
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- National Reform Council member Sayumporn Limthai has proposed banning people found guilty of electoral fraud for life as an effective way of curbing electoral fraud.

Sayumporn also said that the Election Commission's job of organising nationwide elections was overwhelming and should be transferred to the Interior Ministry.

The EC should focus on regulating elections and looking for fraud, he said.

There should also be changes to how the EC commissioner was selected, he said.

Up until now commissioners were recruited from former judges, but Sayumporn proposed selecting them from various professions so that they had a better vision and a better ability to work with people.

Another NRC member, Wanchai Sornsiri, proposed not only banning electoral fraudsters for life but also banning their spouses and children for life to prevent them being put forward as nominees.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Ban-electoral-fraudsters-for-life-call-30251787.html


-- The Nation 2015-01-13

[FireMedic]

How about actual jail time? Good start though....

[chainarong]

I don't wish to be a spoilsport but this all should have been sorted at the establishment of the EC, rules and Regulations the penalties provided should have been thrashed out in 92 , better late than never, however what about fines for small misdemeanors , jail time and fines for major breaches and all of the above plus banned for life for major off the planet offences, but the point being all this should have been sorted, goes to show the shonky way the Thai establishment form departments for their own advantage.

Edited January 13, 2015 by chainarong

[slapout]

another sound good proposal, which seems to be a trademark of the majority of committees formed/appointed to straighten out another cock up made by someone else.

has anything ever been done as intended/correctly in this country, reviewed, modified as needed, and those responsible held accountable?

[ChrisY1]

I agree with life bans for serious offenders........but IMO, the impeachment cases for offenders, would drag on eternally.......

[NongKhaiKid]

it seems to be Standard Operating Procedure here to view certain issues from an individual not national perspective so officials, lawmakers etc see hefty penalties from a " what if this ever involves me / people like me " attitude.

[prakhonchai nick]

I don't wish to be a spoilsport but this all should have been sorted at the establishment of the EC, rules and Regulations the penalties provided should have been thrashed out in 92 , better late than never, however what about fines for small misdemeanors , jail time and fines for major breaches and all of the above plus banned for life for major off the planet offences, but the point being all this should have been sorted, goes to show the shonky way the Thai establishment form departments for their own advantage.

The EC never thought penalties would be necessary. After all those vying to enter parliament were considered the creme de la creme. University educated with only the Thai peoples interests in mind

Only time has shown us that most are just cheating corrupt scum!

Edited January 13, 2015 by prakhonchai nick

[aussieinthailand]

electoral fraud, yu'p ban for life and fines, as for banning husband/wife/kids, <deleted>??? how on earth can that be justified? banning a person who didn't do anything wrong other than being related to a cheat, would never fly in a normal country, I think the NRC member that suggested that, well their village is missing their idiot!!! but hey, TIT.

[AleG]

This part is ridiculous: "Another NRC member, Wanchai Sornsiri, proposed not only banning electoral fraudsters for life but also banning their spouses and children for life to prevent them being put forward as nominees."

It flies on the face of any sense of justice to punish people for the crimes of a third party.

What the should do is to, on top of banning impose severe financial and incarceration penalties. A crook may think it worth the risk to be banned if he/she can then just use a stand-in, if the risk is loosing their ill gotten money or ending in jail they'll think twice about it.

[thailiketoo]

Take away their swords.

[h90]

electoral fraud, yu'p ban for life and fines, as for banning husband/wife/kids, <deleted>??? how on earth can that be justified? banning a person who didn't do anything wrong other than being related to a cheat, would never fly in a normal country, I think the NRC member that suggested that, well their village is missing their idiot!!! but hey, TIT.

The problem is/was that after banning they still keep in power by just putting the wife/kid/sister into position.

Putting them in jail would be a good alternative.

[DKUNPUTAF713]

"National Reform Council member Sayumporn Limthai has proposed banning people found guilty of electoral fraud for life as an effective way of curbing electoral fraud."

The ban only applies to an elected government and not necessarily to a military JUNTA which is presently in being.

The military can do want they want as they have done for ages!!!!!

[talktomarty]

If the law and penalty is applied equally to both sides of the political fence then yes! But I fear it will only be used as trumped up charges to keep the democratically elected out of office:(

[trogers]

Lots of law but...selective enforcements and slow and weak justice. Who is afraid of an old toothless tiger?

I remember the famous excuse that went through the top court - "It was an honest mistake".

Edited January 13, 2015 by trogers

[smutcakes]

Its a great idea, as with many of these proposals, but the issue remains who would be doing the policing and are they trusted to apply the law equally.....

[kurnell]

Ban electoral fraud?? Isn't fraud/corruption the Thai way of life in a nutshell?? Might as well ban prostitution

[robblok]

electoral fraud, yu'p ban for life and fines, as for banning husband/wife/kids, <deleted>??? how on earth can that be justified? banning a person who didn't do anything wrong other than being related to a cheat, would never fly in a normal country, I think the NRC member that suggested that, well their village is missing their idiot!!! but hey, TIT.

The problem is/was that after banning they still keep in power by just putting the wife/kid/sister into position.

Putting them in jail would be a good alternative.

Quite a few PTP examples of that practice. Banned himself wife runs while he keeps in power. So its not that strange though you have a point. But for Thailand, yes ban their family too.

[thailiketoo]

Ban electoral fraud?? Isn't fraud/corruption the Thai way of life in a nutshell?? Might as well ban prostitution

If the opportunities for corruption are equal on both sides of the election (have and have nots) what is the problem? I mean if both guys get to bring a gun to a gunfight what's the problem? It is obvious the better shot will win or with an election the most popular.

[trogers]

Ban electoral fraud?? Isn't fraud/corruption the Thai way of life in a nutshell?? Might as well ban prostitution

If the opportunities for corruption are equal on both sides of the election (have and have nots) what is the problem? I mean if both guys get to bring a gun to a gunfight what's the problem? It is obvious the better shot will win or with an election the most popular.

Like saying, "let that drug pusher be your kid's headmaster because he is a great and popular guy".

[thailiketoo]

Ban electoral fraud?? Isn't fraud/corruption the Thai way of life in a nutshell?? Might as well ban prostitution

If the opportunities for corruption are equal on both sides of the election (have and have nots) what is the problem? I mean if both guys get to bring a gun to a gunfight what's the problem? It is obvious the better shot will win or with an election the most popular.

Like saying, "let that drug pusher be your kid's headmaster because he is a great and popular guy".

No it's not. It is like saying since all football players have a helmet if you want to play football you should have a helmet. (American football). Americans politicians are all corrupt and take money but they have an equal opportunity to take money.

[FangFerang]

Banning wives and children is not stupid. It is idiotic. Seems a bit like "going for a Shin" to me.

[thailiketoo]

Banning wives and children is not stupid. It is idiotic. Seems a bit like "going for a Shin" to me.

Does the UK, USA, France, Germany or Australia ban family? No? Wonder why? When was the last time; Henry VIII? Get with it guys this is not medieval England and you don't have a round table or magic sword.

Edited January 13, 2015 by thailiketoo

[trogers]

Ban electoral fraud?? Isn't fraud/corruption the Thai way of life in a nutshell?? Might as well ban prostitution

If the opportunities for corruption are equal on both sides of the election (have and have nots) what is the problem? I mean if both guys get to bring a gun to a gunfight what's the problem? It is obvious the better shot will win or with an election the most popular.

Like saying, "let that drug pusher be your kid's headmaster because he is a great and popular guy".

No it's not. It is like saying since all football players have a helmet if you want to play football you should have a helmet. (American football). Americans politicians are all corrupt and take money but they have an equal opportunity to take money.

Time to clean the house before it becomes similar to the one in USA.

[thailiketoo]

If the opportunities for corruption are equal on both sides of the election (have and have nots) what is the problem? I mean if both guys get to bring a gun to a gunfight what's the problem? It is obvious the better shot will win or with an election the most popular.

Like saying, "let that drug pusher be your kid's headmaster because he is a great and popular guy".

No it's not. It is like saying since all football players have a helmet if you want to play football you should have a helmet. (American football). Americans politicians are all corrupt and take money but they have an equal opportunity to take money.

Time to clean the house before it becomes similar to the one in USA.

So what would be wrong with that? Economics, education, housing, opportunity, infrastructure, movies, go go clubs, restaurants. Sorry I see nothing happening in the USA that would not be an improvement over what is happening in Thailand.

[trogers]

If the opportunities for corruption are equal on both sides of the election (have and have nots) what is the problem? I mean if both guys get to bring a gun to a gunfight what's the problem? It is obvious the better shot will win or with an election the most popular.

Like saying, "let that drug pusher be your kid's headmaster because he is a great and popular guy".

No it's not. It is like saying since all football players have a helmet if you want to play football you should have a helmet. (American football). Americans politicians are all corrupt and take money but they have an equal opportunity to take money.

Time to clean the house before it becomes similar to the one in USA.

So what would be wrong with that? Economics, education, housing, opportunity, infrastructure, movies, go go clubs, restaurants. Sorry I see nothing happening in the USA that would not be an improvement over what is happening in Thailand.

All that are paid by future money, through debts to be paid by the unborns.

How many families are living day to day on trading stamps and credit cards? How many graduate college with a decade of debt burden on their heads?

[halloween]

Ban electoral fraud?? Isn't fraud/corruption the Thai way of life in a nutshell?? Might as well ban prostitution

If the opportunities for corruption are equal on both sides of the election (have and have nots) what is the problem? I mean if both guys get to bring a gun to a gunfight what's the problem? It is obvious the better shot will win or with an election the most popular.

History has proven that the most popular is the one prepared to pay the best bribes, and hire the best liars. Or to put it more simply, the richest. And we have seen the result of allowing power to be bought.

[thailiketoo]

How many families are living day to day on trading stamps and credit cards? How many graduate college with a decade of debt burden on their heads?

GDP per capita dollars USA $53,001 Thailand $5,676 Like I said get real.

[thailiketoo]

Ban electoral fraud?? Isn't fraud/corruption the Thai way of life in a nutshell?? Might as well ban prostitution

If the opportunities for corruption are equal on both sides of the election (have and have nots) what is the problem? I mean if both guys get to bring a gun to a gunfight what's the problem? It is obvious the better shot will win or with an election the most popular.

History has proven that the most popular is the one prepared to pay the best bribes, and hire the best liars. Or to put it more simply, the richest. And we have seen the result of allowing power to be bought.

History has proven no such thing. Look at Barrack Obama (net worth 10 mil). He only had chump change and the money spent on election was Obama: $1.123 billion vs. Romney (net worth 250 million) : $1.019 billion.

You know what the big difference was even though Romney was far richer; FACE BOOK LIKES - 23,479,089 TO 1,128,492.

[halloween]

Ban electoral fraud?? Isn't fraud/corruption the Thai way of life in a nutshell?? Might as well ban prostitution

If the opportunities for corruption are equal on both sides of the election (have and have nots) what is the problem? I mean if both guys get to bring a gun to a gunfight what's the problem? It is obvious the better shot will win or with an election the most popular.

History has proven that the most popular is the one prepared to pay the best bribes, and hire the best liars. Or to put it more simply, the richest. And we have seen the result of allowing power to be bought.

History has proven no such thing. Look at Barrack Obama (net worth 10 mil). He only had chump change and the money spent on election was Obama: $1.123 billion vs. Romney (net worth 250 million) : $1.019 billion.

You know what the big difference was even though Romney was far richer; FACE BOOK LIKES - 23,479,089 TO 1,128,492.

In your previous post, you pointed out the difference in productivity and hence income. How difficult is it to understand that the difference affects the susceptibility to accept bribes; that the lack of a critical press, independent accounting, and poor levels of education lead to gullibility and acceptance of unworkable populism and blatant lies like "you will all be rich in 6 months".

BTW the topic is Thailand.

[thailiketoo]

History has proven that the most popular is the one prepared to pay the best bribes, and hire the best liars. Or to put it more simply, the richest. And we have seen the result of allowing power to be bought.

History has proven no such thing. Look at Barrack Obama (net worth 10 mil). He only had chump change and the money spent on election was Obama: $1.123 billion vs. Romney (net worth 250 million) : $1.019 billion.

You know what the big difference was even though Romney was far richer; FACE BOOK LIKES - 23,479,089 TO 1,128,492.

In your previous post, you pointed out the difference in productivity and hence income. How difficult is it to understand that the difference affects the susceptibility to accept bribes; that the lack of a critical press, independent accounting, and poor levels of education lead to gullibility and acceptance of unworkable populism and blatant lies like "you will all be rich in 6 months".

BTW the topic is Thailand.

You wrote, "History has proven that the most popular is the one prepared to pay the best bribes, and hire the best liars. Or to put it more simply, the richest. And we have seen the result of allowing power to be bought."

Your statement above is nonsense. If you think it is not nonsense support it with some historical links.

You get what you pay for. Is it cheaper to buy an election or change of government by force? Look into those prices and you will have your real answer.