14 years on.

YouTube.

How many can still believe the official version?

Somewhat skeptical.

One of many questions that to this day have not had an explanation is how, amongst all the chaos, all the confusion and panic, all the debris, one of the hijacker's passports was found within hours. No black box, but a passport miraculously turned up.

And why was a passport needed for a domestic flight for a man who knew he was flying to his death?

WTC 7

Somewhat skeptical.

One of many questions that to this day have not had an explanation is how, amongst all the chaos, all the confusion and panic, all the debris, one of the hijacker's passports was found within hours. No black box, but a passport miraculously turned up.

And why was a passport needed for a domestic flight for a man who knew he was flying to his death?

I think we give them credit for being smarter than a lot of them are.

Is it a conspiracy theory if there is evidence to support it?

It is surprising that an Iranian propaganda machine supports a Palestinian propagated myth, but in the world we now live in I suppose such unlikely bedfellows do get together at times.

Maybe they should be tossed off high buildings.

After 9/11 - when I was working in Libya for Dong Ah - there are a few incidents I would like to mention.

There were half-a-dozen Brits working on the Great Man-Made River at the time, in a Korean camp/office compound. We heard about 9/11 at roughly three in the afternoon. We finished work at 5.30 and went straight to the TV room to turn on CNN. We caught about ten minutes of the broadcast before our Korean colleagues entered the room and turned the channel to a Korean TV soap. So that was all we knew at the time, as the TV room was locked, out of bounds, between 10.00 in the evening and 5.30 the next evening. (The joys of working with some companies - with Daewoo, again in Libya, we had an exhortation from the project director every morning at 6.00 a.m., followed by half an hour of calisthenics!). Anyway, that was the extent of the Koreans concern about 9/11 - not one of them asked any of us Europeans about the attack over the following weeks.

I had friends working in the NOC clinic in Tripoli. I saw them the next night at a darts match and they were telling me about the Palestinians in the clinic dancing in the corridors. Other Arabs (Libyan, Egyptian and others) all offered sympathy and consolation to the American workers (mostly with Canadian passports ) at the time, but ALL the Palestinians were happy at the tragedy.

I left Libya a few weeks later, to take up a position in Vietnam, but that fell through because of a lack of funding from the US - maybe connected to 9/11 - and I moved on to Saudi for another tour with Aramco. Again, all the Palestinian workers that I encountered were still euphoric over the event, saying that it was an Israeli plot to denigrate them, but hadn't worked. The Saudi colleagues, and other Arabs, all laughed at the Palestinian theories, admitting that it was a Wahhabi sect that was responsible. And some of these colleagues were themselves deeply religious people - all our computers gave out a call-to-prayers at the appropriate time and I would be working in an empty office twice a day. In all my time in Middle Eastern countries I have found that Palestinians - to a man - will believe and repeat any and every tale about the evil Israel and the evil US without question. They are a deluded group of weirdoes.

I can see your POV, Humphrey. I respect your worldliness, wisdom, and intelligence....and rugby skills, no doubt. But I wonder if your perspective has been either tainted or is lacking.

Please watch this (absolute babe, in visage and nature), an American Jew, talk about her experiences, and if you take even some of her points, maybe you'd have a bit more empathy for the Palestinians. Keeping in mind that as a people, they have not had much opportunity for learning critical thinking, and thus would of course be quite simple in their beliefs with regard to global events.

So this Jewish ex- marine who taught at the war college and is presenting all this evidence in post 5.

Dr. Grabinsky.

Actually this guys seems credible.

He's saying Israel/Mossad did it, not the box-cutter buffoons?

OBL a patsy.?

Headache.

I can see your POV, Humphrey. I respect your worldliness, wisdom, and intelligence....and rugby skills, no doubt. But I wonder if your perspective has been either tainted or is lacking.

Please watch this (absolute babe, in visage and nature), an American Jew, talk about her experiences, and if you take even some of her points, maybe you'd have a bit more empathy for the Palestinians. Keeping in mind that as a people, they have not had much opportunity for learning critical thinking, and thus would of course be quite simple in their beliefs with regard to global events.

Wow, Seastallion, that is simply powerful. And as powerful as it is it is equally mindboggling that this is being perpetrated by a people who at the same time keep the eternal flame of their Holocaust sufferings ablaze in the world mind. The hypocrisy cannot be more blatant. Fanatisism that rival Hitler's.

It is surprising that an Iranian propaganda machine supports a Palestinian propagated myth, but in the world we now live in I suppose such unlikely bedfellows do get together at times.

Maybe they should be tossed off high buildings.

After 9/11 - when I was working in Libya for Dong Ah - there are a few incidents I would like to mention.

There were half-a-dozen Brits working on the Great Man-Made River at the time, in a Korean camp/office compound. We heard about 9/11 at roughly three in the afternoon. We finished work at 5.30 and went straight to the TV room to turn on CNN. We caught about ten minutes of the broadcast before our Korean colleagues entered the room and turned the channel to a Korean TV soap. So that was all we knew at the time, as the TV room was locked, out of bounds, between 10.00 in the evening and 5.30 the next evening. (The joys of working with some companies - with Daewoo, again in Libya, we had an exhortation from the project director every morning at 6.00 a.m., followed by half an hour of calisthenics!). Anyway, that was the extent of the Koreans concern about 9/11 - not one of them asked any of us Europeans about the attack over the following weeks.

I had friends working in the NOC clinic in Tripoli. I saw them the next night at a darts match and they were telling me about the Palestinians in the clinic dancing in the corridors. Other Arabs (Libyan, Egyptian and others) all offered sympathy and consolation to the American workers (mostly with Canadian passports ) at the time, but ALL the Palestinians were happy at the tragedy.

I left Libya a few weeks later, to take up a position in Vietnam, but that fell through because of a lack of funding from the US - maybe connected to 9/11 - and I moved on to Saudi for another tour with Aramco. Again, all the Palestinian workers that I encountered were still euphoric over the event, saying that it was an Israeli plot to denigrate them, but hadn't worked. The Saudi colleagues, and other Arabs, all laughed at the Palestinian theories, admitting that it was a Wahhabi sect that was responsible. And some of these colleagues were themselves deeply religious people - all our computers gave out a call-to-prayers at the appropriate time and I would be working in an empty office twice a day. In all my time in Middle Eastern countries I have found that Palestinians - to a man - will believe and repeat any and every tale about the evil Israel and the evil US without question. They are a deluded group of weirdoes.

I was living in Vientiane at the time and went for my regular morning walk after watching the 9/11 events.

There was a strange air of what seemed to be almost satisfaction rather than triumph or vindictiveness among the Lao people I encountered and discussed the events with.

Definitely an element of son nam nar.

I'd have been more interested in hearing what the Vietnamese thought than the Palestinians.

It is surprising that an Iranian propaganda machine supports a Palestinian propagated myth, but in the world we now live in I suppose such unlikely bedfellows do get together at times.

Maybe they should be tossed off high buildings.

After 9/11 - when I was working in Libya for Dong Ah - there are a few incidents I would like to mention.

There were half-a-dozen Brits working on the Great Man-Made River at the time, in a Korean camp/office compound. We heard about 9/11 at roughly three in the afternoon. We finished work at 5.30 and went straight to the TV room to turn on CNN. We caught about ten minutes of the broadcast before our Korean colleagues entered the room and turned the channel to a Korean TV soap. So that was all we knew at the time, as the TV room was locked, out of bounds, between 10.00 in the evening and 5.30 the next evening. (The joys of working with some companies - with Daewoo, again in Libya, we had an exhortation from the project director every morning at 6.00 a.m., followed by half an hour of calisthenics!). Anyway, that was the extent of the Koreans concern about 9/11 - not one of them asked any of us Europeans about the attack over the following weeks.

I had friends working in the NOC clinic in Tripoli. I saw them the next night at a darts match and they were telling me about the Palestinians in the clinic dancing in the corridors. Other Arabs (Libyan, Egyptian and others) all offered sympathy and consolation to the American workers (mostly with Canadian passports ) at the time, but ALL the Palestinians were happy at the tragedy.

I left Libya a few weeks later, to take up a position in Vietnam, but that fell through because of a lack of funding from the US - maybe connected to 9/11 - and I moved on to Saudi for another tour with Aramco. Again, all the Palestinian workers that I encountered were still euphoric over the event, saying that it was an Israeli plot to denigrate them, but hadn't worked. The Saudi colleagues, and other Arabs, all laughed at the Palestinian theories, admitting that it was a Wahhabi sect that was responsible. And some of these colleagues were themselves deeply religious people - all our computers gave out a call-to-prayers at the appropriate time and I would be working in an empty office twice a day. In all my time in Middle Eastern countries I have found that Palestinians - to a man - will believe and repeat any and every tale about the evil Israel and the evil US without question. They are a deluded group of weirdoes.

I was living in Vientiane at the time and went for my regular morning walk after watching the 9/11 events.

There was a strange air of what seemed to be almost satisfaction rather than triumph or vindictiveness among the Lao people I encountered and discussed the events with.

Definitely an element of son nam nar.

I'd have been more interested in hearing what the Vietnamese thought than the Palestinians.

More som nam na, if anything.

And the "if anything" is the thing....many of these people, Lao, VN, Palestrinians, do NOT have an inkling of real world events. Tomorrow's, rice on the table (or falafel) matters.

But if we project, we can easily see a som nam na from them, because we expect it....and why do we expect it?

Humphrey's anecdotes about Palestinians could very well be about redneck Westerners, just by substituting the subject of who got hurt.

And I suppose THAT says it all: There are the great unwashed redneck westerners, just as there are the great unwashed redneck Palestinians.

My comments are not about the Palestinians still stuck in their homelands and suffering under their ideologue masters (whether religious fanatics in Gaza or political fanatics in the West Bank), but those Palestinians who have, by education or by family contacts, escaped the virtual prison camps in which the majority of their fellow-countrymen live. In the NOC clinic they are doctors, laboratory technicians and such, as well as the occasional cleaner. In Saudi they are managers, engineers and technicians in many walks of life. They are not ill-educated, not stupid, but they do all have a blind spot when discussing the USA or Israel.

I also had a boss, and a friend, born and raised in Jerusalem, who was of Lebanese descent and regarded himself as Lebanese although his childhood, education and early work experience were all in the Arab-dominated years in Jerusalem. He had none of the traits of the Palestinian people he knew intimately and had grown up with. Most Arabs despise the Palestinians, although they support their political aims of driving back the Israel 'occupation forces', recovering all of 'Palestine' that existed in Roman times (Palestrina), but I don't know how they would then survive, as there is a dearth of resources (although off-shore gas is available). I doubt that the surrounding Arab states would provide sufficient support to maintain the potential population. Probably all the brightest and best would continue to emigrate rather than remain and build their country.

Came across this. Not that I'm actively looking, mind you, but had a glance. 37 seconds in and I was flabbrgasted....that was not a huge passenger jet!!!

Came across this. Not that I'm actively looking, mind you, but had a glance. 37 seconds in and I was flabbrgasted....that was not a huge passenger jet!!!

Boeing 767

Wingspan 47.57 meters

Height 16.8 meters

Came across this. Not that I'm actively looking, mind you, but had a glance. 37 seconds in and I was flabbrgasted....that was not a huge passenger jet!!!

Boeing 767

Wingspan 47.57 meters

Height 16.8 meters

Yep, and the building was 65 odd metres wide. The plane striking it would have been most of the width. Slow that video down at 37....that is not a 50 metre wide 17 metre high object.

Yep, and the building was 65 odd metres wide. The plane striking it would have been most of the width. Slow that video down at 37....that is not a 50 metre wide 17 metre high object.

Indeed, no such wingspan, looks almost like some sort of projectile.

I consider W to be only a peripheral player in the 2001-2008 administration, the country was being run by his staff and their assigns, with a "don't bother me with stuff I don't have to know" attitude. But yes, I believe there was at least a spin initiative (meaning a concocted tale that they would stick with) and the pristine passport was part of that. That part of the above vid where he says he saw the plane hit the first building is just him saying what was rehearsed. Personally, I find the lot of them responsible and should be held in disgrace to some degree, as we know that the previous administration passed some intel regarding this onto them and they chose to ignore it. Condee, definitely a bungler on this one, at least had the sense to exile herself in academia, at least for now. If such a thing happened during the Dems watch you know the GOP would still be rabid over it. I think the way the GOP capitalized on the disaster is truly sickening, like that memorial thing they did at the 2004 convention. Truly does turn my stomach thinking about it. No shame.