Trump supporters shrug off the fuss, say he gets it

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Trump supporters shrug off the fuss, say he gets it
By JILL COLVIN and BILL BARROW

GREER, S.C. (AP) — The fuss over Donald Trump seems largely lost on many of those who support him. Where his critics see bigotry, they see common sense.

At Rosie's Hotdogs in upstate South Carolina, Tracy Hooker isn't interested in debating the merits of Trump's proposal to temporarily block Muslims from coming into the United States.

She knows some people think it's xenophobic. That others argue it's impractical, legally dubious or both. And that every other Republican running for president has, in some way or another, rejected the idea that the plan is even worth talking about.

That's why she says Trump is "my guy."

He's the only one who gets it.

"Think about it," Hooker, 47, said of the Muslim tourists, immigrants and refugees Trump wants to bar from coming to the U.S. "You don't know if they like us. You don't know if they hate us,." She added: "You don't know why they're here."

To dozens of Trump supporters interviewed in the past week by The Associated Press in the first-to-vote states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, the near universal condemnation of the billionaire's plan is simply baffling.

They hear Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan say, "This is not conservatism," and British Prime Minister David Cameron call it, "Quite simply wrong." They listen to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon call Trump's plan an "appeal to hate."

And, they say, they marvel at how naive all the critics sound.

After the Paris and San Bernardino, California, attacks, they say only Trump is taking on what they believe is a clear and present danger to the U.S.

"When you're in war, you have to take steps that are not American to protect yourself and defend the country," said Margaret Shontz, of Cedar Falls, Iowa, as she arrived at a Trump campaign stop in Des Moines on Friday.

Trump's call to bar Muslims from coming to America is "awesome."

"Very needed," she said. "Very necessary."

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By their own description, Trump supporters are frustrated and angry about the direction of the nation. They fret over the economy, feel betrayed by the nation's immigration policy and worry America has lost its way on the world stage.

In interviews with the AP, they argued Trump's plan for Muslims who want to come to the U.S. is a bold proposal that regular politicians are too timid to make. They feel the criticism that comes from those same politicians is rooted in the weakness Trump promises to sweep away.

Iowa's Dale Witmer, 90, a registered Republican and World War II veteran who likes Trump and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, embraced the Muslim ban as a "great idea." While he has concerns about Trump's unfiltered style, he praises him for talking about things he says others are thinking but afraid to say themselves.

"I'd like to go back (to) when I was younger in the '50s and '60s, when the country was a little better, Witmer said. "It was America then. I'm starting to worry we're starting to lose identity in this country, I do believe."

And the backlash against Trump? "I don't know how to comprehend that."

Many of Trump's supporters called the reaction to his plan yet another example of the Republican establishment and a biased media trying to stop a candidate who refuses to play by their rules.

Dan Edwards, a retired banker from Van Meter, Iowa, who brought his family to Trump's town hall meeting in Des Moines on Friday, said Trump's words were taken out of context to make his plan sound more extreme.

Edwards, 53, compared the proposal to a "time out" while the country re-assesses the situation. "I think it's been made into something it wasn't meant to be," he said. "I think basically what he's doing is saying, 'OK, wait a minute. Refugees, we need to make sure we know what we're looking for and to make sure everything is in place.'"

Trump made the proposal a week ago, calling for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."

Trump's campaign said the proposed ban would apply to "everyone," including individuals seeking to immigrate to the country as well as those looking to visit as tourists.

When asked by the AP if the ban would apply to U.S. citizens traveling, working or living abroad, including American servicemen and -women who are Muslim, Trump responded via a spokeswoman, "You figure it out!"

As the week progressed, Trump began to fill in additional details. He said American citizens, including Muslim members of the military, would be exempt, as would certain world leaders and athletes coming to the U.S. to compete.

"By the way, it's not total and complete, and it's temporary," Trump said Sunday in an interview with CNN. "You're going to have exceptions. You're going to have people coming in."

New Hampshire state Rep. Stephen Stepanek, Trump's campaign co-chairman in the state, said the reaction to Trump's proposal fit the pattern of his campaign: First outrage, then a realization Trump hit the nail on the head.

"He's always one step ahead of all the other politicians in pointing out a problem," he said. "And everybody's outraged. And then all of a sudden they start analyzing what he said and realize, 'Oh my god, he's right.'"

"I think it's a fabulous idea," Stepanek said. "Because our system is broken and what has happened in San Bernardino is an example of a tip of the iceberg."

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An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll last week found that a solid majority, 57 percent, opposed Trump's proposal. A CBS News poll also found nearly 6 in 10 Americans oppose the ban, with two-thirds saying it goes against the country's founding principles.

But Republicans are far more receptive: 54 percent voiced support for the ban in the CBS poll.

During a 29-person focus group made up mostly of Trump supporters in a Washington suburb last week, just eight participants said they disagreed with Trump's proposal. Seventeen raised their hands when asked if they agreed.

Republican pollster Frank Luntz, who led the group, said in his 23 years in the business, he's never seen a phenomenon quite like Trump.

"He defies every assumption that was laid out," Luntz said. "He has created or found the magic formula. And he has been using it more successfully than anyone — including me — ever imagined."

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While Trump has brushed back criticism, including from some Republicans, that his idea smacks of bigotry, some of his backers take that charge personally.

"I felt like I'm being insulted," said Edwards, the banker from Iowa. "I'm feeling strongly about my country, and I feel attacked when they're going against him in that way."

Others saw it as a badge of honor.

"Being compared to Hitler is how you know you've reached the apex," said Gary Hopper, 58, of Bedford, New Hampshire.

At Cannon's restaurant in Greer, not far from Rosie's Hotdogs, manager Tammy Holcombe argued "everybody's getting too offended by this." Another Cannon's employee, 50-year-old Wayne Weathers, chimed in: "The drive-by media says everybody's a racist who supports Trump. That's ridiculous."

Holcombe said she doesn't have a problem applying a religious test to visitors, immigrants and refugees.

"I'm a Christian, and they're all against that, so why not?" she said, adding that U.S. leaders should "man up, grow a backbone and quit worrying about the little things and focus on the big picture of everything, not just immigration."

"I know we all came from somewhere else," she added, "but this is a different time now."

Back at Rosie's, Hooker made a point to say that among her hundreds of Facebook friends, "a few of them are Muslims. One's even an atheist."

But she said she'd be willing to bar American citizens who are Muslim and travel outside the country from returning home — a position that goes far beyond what Trump has proposed.

"Look, if I let you borrow my shoes from my house, when you bring them back, I'm not going to bring them back in until I reassess and see what I've got," she said.

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Among Trump supporters, even those who agree with his proposal, some have concerns — usually about how the bombastic former reality TV star is selling his ideas.

"I agree with him, mostly," said Greg Spearman, 46, who owns an electrical firm in Greer. "But there's certainly a better way to say it."

Still other backers said they simply don't take Trump's plan at face value. Some argued he was deliberately being provocative in search of attention, while others said he was simply trying to raise an alarm and would take a more measured approach if he makes it to the White House.

Trump himself has even suggested his proposed ban was intended to stir up reaction: "Without the ban," he said Sunday, "you're not going to make the point."

Billy Montplaisir, a 27-year-old maintenance worker who lives in Weare, New Hampshire, said he likes "everything about" Trump — but nonetheless felt uncomfortable with the proposal. He worried it would play into the hands of Islamic radicals and risked turning the "good ones against us."

"The Muslim thing, that kind of blew me out," Montplaisir said. "He kind of went a little overboard there."

Still, Montplaisir is sticking with Trump and plans to vote for him when New Hampshire holds the first primary of the campaign.

"I like how he's just up front," he said, "and doesn't care what people think."
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Colvin reported from New Hampshire and Iowa.


-- (c) Associated Press 2015-12-15

[Usernames]

New Hampshire state Rep. Stephen Stepanek, Trump's campaign co-chairman in the state, said the reaction to Trump's proposal fit the pattern of his campaign: First outrage, then a realization Trump hit the nail on the head.

"He's always one step ahead of all the other politicians in pointing out a problem," he said. "And everybody's outraged. And then all of a sudden they start analyzing what he said and realize, 'Oh my god, he's right.'"

Yep.

[Berkshire]

[billy Montplaisir, a 27-year-old maintenance worker who lives in Weare, New Hampshire, said he likes "everything about" Trump — but nonetheless felt uncomfortable with the proposal. He worried it would play into the hands of Islamic radicals and risked turning the "good ones against us."]

There's actually one Trump supporter who makes some sense.

[zaphod reborn]

He's expert at fomenting anger. However, he puts his foot in his mouth and doesn't offer any realistic solutions. His proposed policies are off the political chart, and, for the most part, unconstitutional or run counter to the fundamental principles upon which the nation was established.

[chuckd]

He's expert at fomenting anger. However, he puts his foot in his mouth and doesn't offer any realistic solutions. His proposed policies are off the political chart, and, for the most part, unconstitutional or run counter to the fundamental principles upon which the nation was established.

"His proposed policies are off the political chart, and, for the most part, unconstitutional or run counter to the fundamental principles upon which the nation was established."

Specifically which proposals would that be?

[JHolmesJr]

The other candidates are just pissed they didnt think of trumps idea first....and even if they did they were too chicken, pc and scheming cos they wanna go on acting like everythings ok with the usa.

[circusman]

"We don't know if they like us or not" How do we know those born in america like us or not? We don't.

[Steely Dan]

Progressives are apoplectic because someone had the cheek to burst the balloon that shields them from reality. Among those who don't have to publicly agree with Donald Trump for fear of being hectored, bullied or intimidated by progressive left cowards I suspect he is very popular indeed.

[JingerBen]

Trump - love him or hate him - does have a chance at the GOP nomination.

The resistance being brought to bear against him within his own party doesn't mean a thing.

It reminds me of what Richard Nixon once told Pat Buchanan: "If you ever hear of a group getting together to stop X, be sure to put your money on X."

[Krataiboy]

[Vagabond1]

What many thought was a comedy sketch unfolds as a drama.

[hawker9000]

At last, somebody who's not a slave to the politically correct. 'Thought that was an absolute prerequisite in either party. If the RNC "brokers" his candidacy away, that really will be the death of the GOP.

[sirineou]

New Hampshire state Rep. Stephen Stepanek, Trump's campaign co-chairman in the state, said the reaction to Trump's proposal fit the pattern of his campaign: First outrage, then a realization Trump hit the nail on the head.

"He's always one step ahead of all the other politicians in pointing out a problem," he said. "And everybody's outraged. And then all of a sudden they start analyzing what he said and realize, 'Oh my god, he's right.'"

Yep.

who was outraged, and the realized he hit the nail in the head???

is the Rep kidding us or kidding you?

his supporters were never outraged, and his opponents do not think he hit the nail on the head . The only think that we think that contains the word NAIL is that his supporters are Dumb as a doornail

[sirineou]

He's expert at fomenting anger. However, he puts his foot in his mouth and doesn't offer any realistic solutions. His proposed policies are off the political chart, and, for the most part, unconstitutional or run counter to the fundamental principles upon which the nation was established.

"His proposed policies are off the political chart, and, for the most part, unconstitutional or run counter to the fundamental principles upon which the nation was established."

Specifically which proposals would that be?

All

[retarius]

Hardly a 'near universal condemnation" of Trump if 25% of the population support him. And I bet 50% of the population think this way; and 100% of those living more than 50 miles from each coast.

[Ulic]

The problem as I see it is only Muslims can stop Muslim extremists. After the fact some family

members and friends point to the couple having become radicalized at this point or that point.

Nothing was said. Now all Muslims in the USA will suffer a backlash. That is just the way it is.

Either out radicalized Muslims or suffer some backlash. Of course Trump is over the top.

Most kneejerk reaction is.

[djlest]

He reminds me of Mr Squareface

[Pinot]

Progressives are apoplectic because someone had the cheek to burst the balloon that shields them from reality. Among those who don't have to publicly agree with Donald Trump for fear of being hectored, bullied or intimidated by progressive left cowards I suspect he is very popular indeed.

Indeed! Indeed!!

I love trying to decipher these words of wisdom, but this one has me stumped. What reality, balloon, shield, reality, progressive left cowards, suspect? Help here, Dan.

Last month it was Mexican rapists. Hey, whatever happened to them? They have to be pissed they're no longer #1. Fear flavor of the month is....Muslims!

Chances of being killed by a Muslim terrorist: Twenty million to one. So, Muslim terrorist aren't "a thing". Only a "thing" in the minds of the delusional wingnuts.

Hey, when did the Progressives become cowards? Cowards is a word for people afraid of EVERYTHING. Things like Negroes, Mexicans, Muslims, Women; you know, everything.

Fear...ohhhhhhh scary.

[mpa]

[sirineou]

No one dislikes Trump more than I do but there is no evidence that he ever said such a thing. I am sure he is thinking it now, but as I said no evidence what so ever that he did say it in an interview.

Anyone can take anyones picture and write anything on it. Dont you think if he had said such a thing, his Republican opponents would have clobbered him with it?

By the way , before he joined the circus he used to have brown hair .

Edited December 15, 2015 by sirineou

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been removed.

[mpa]

Anyone can take anyones picture and write anything on it.

Actually a sound engineer was behind this. He claimed that Trump said the exact words but it was off the record. I remember reading about the whole thing somewhere but I didn't keep the source. I did a research today. So far I wasn't able to find any reference whatsoever.

But you are correct. Without evidence we can only speculate.