British man found dead on Koh Tao

[Khun Han]

Interesting tactic to claim that a video that's been linked to 4 posts previously doesn't exist.

edited to add: That's a pretty major edit of the post above .

Edited March 2, 2016 by Khun Han

[Jai Dee]

Baiting (troll) posts and replies have been removed from this thread.

[jayjay78]

Just to clarify, not only do we have the documentary stating clearly that the Autopsy showed he did not die of drowning, the Miller family themselves also make this clear.

[Moonsterk]

Just to clarify, not only do we have the documentary stating clearly that the Autopsy showed he did not die of drowning, the Miller family themselves also make this clear.

They are mixing up CoD with open Verdict, must we really go through this again?

[Moonsterk]

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

[jayjay78]

Just to clarify, not only do we have the documentary stating clearly that the Autopsy showed he did not die of drowning, the Miller family themselves also make this clear.

They are mixing up CoD with open Verdict, must we really go through this again?

Inquest is not complete in the UK no decision can be given yet let alone open verdict. Yes apparently you do have to go through this again. The decision given is that he did not die of drowning, can you understand that?

[Moonsterk]

I have just watched the program and it states that Lukes cause of death was NOT by drowning!

That cannot be true because moonsterk says otherwise, we need to wait for her approval.......right ?

so he was dead before he jumped in the pool, how did he manage that I wonder, moonsterk will be along to explain

Because the video is referencing David Miller, not Luke and quoting Laura Witheridge opinions are not facts, and quoting the We Are Anonymous video are not facts.

[Moonsterk]

Just to clarify, not only do we have the documentary stating clearly that the Autopsy showed he did not die of drowning, the Miller family themselves also make this clear.

They are mixing up CoD with open Verdict, must we really go through this again?

Inquest is not complete in the UK no decision can be given yet let alone open verdict. Yes apparently you do have to go through this again. The decision given is that he did not die of drowning, can you understand that?

Wel you just pushed a video as proof that was referencing David, not Luke, so no, I don't accept anything you claim.

When I see a parent being quoted by reputable news outlet, I will change my stance. Baiting, trolling and posting outrageously erred videos just does not an argument make.

[007cableguy]

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

Watch the video all the way through and it says Lukes death was not drowning !!....Or are you just here for a wind-up?

[Khun Han]

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

At one point, the video refers to the various foreign deaths on Koh Tao. Luke Mille's death is discussed (with a photo of Luke on the screen), and the reporter states that Luke's cause of death was not drowning. If you think they're mistaken, take it up with the production company.

[Moonsterk]

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

Watch the video all the way through and it says Lukes death was not drowning !!....Or are you just here for a wind-up?

And who is it quoting? the We Are Anonymous video? CSI LA? Laura Witheridge's opinion?

David Miller is who's CoD was found to be different- not from drowing, but from head injury.

[Khun Han]

Thankyou jayjay.I suspect some posters don't want the food.

[metisdead]

Screen capture of content with no supporting link has been removed again. If you can't link to it, and if is not related to this topic, don't bother posting it.

Edited March 2, 2016 by metisdead

[Khun Han]

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

Watch the video all the way through and it says Lukes death was not drowning !!....Or are you just here for a wind-up?

And who is it quoting? the We Are Anonymous video? CSI LA? Laura Witheridge's opinion?

David Miller is who's CoD was found to be different- not from drowing, but from head injury.

Ask the production company. As you can see from the earlier link provided, they have an award-winning reputation. I'm sure they'll make a correction and apology if you've spotted an error in their assertion.

[stephenterry]

What matters is that Luke was found dead in a pool. Whether it was self inflicted or foul play is a matter for the UK coroner's inquest to ascertain. As I trust the coroner's conclusions more than anyone in Thailand, I will wait until it's concluded.

[balo]

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

At one point, the video refers to the various foreign deaths on Koh Tao. Luke Mille's death is discussed (with a photo of Luke on the screen), and the reporter states that Luke's cause of death was not drowning. If you think they're mistaken, take it up with the production company.

A reporter claims it in the video, did they talk to the real experts or is it just another speculation ? We all agree on David Miller but Luke is a different story.

[IslandLover]

Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

You may want it to, but it isn't

Another interesting revelation is the interview on screen with the parents of Nick Pearson who also died in suspicious circumstances on Koh Tao. Yet another family let down by the RTP and the Thai authorities.

Edited March 2, 2016 by IslandLover

[frank83628]

Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

You may want it to, but it isn't

Another interesting revelation is the interview on screen with the parents of Nick Pearson who also died in suspicious circumstances on Koh Tao. Yet another family let down by the RTP and the Thai authorities.

i don't really think anything they said was a revelation most of what they said was already known and nothing could class it as a suspicious death, 'he was so drunk he had to be escorted home and put to bed', remember that part, so anything is possible really, maybe he woke up and wanted a piss, maybe he decided he was off for a swim, maybe he wanted to stand on a rock and do a de'caprio, who knows what went through his head while that intoxicated, but it has to be sinister and a murder??...the brother said 'who would sleepwalk there'.??...surely you are asleep thats the reason its called sleep walking, you're not in control??

there wasn't anything in that video that isn't already known, it basically just covers all the points of the cover up theory, and nothing else, i was expecting it to be more controversial or damming.

is the is a verified production company? are there other docos?

[metisdead]

Off topic post has been removed as well as a nonsense post with paid to post insinuations.

[IslandLover]

frank83628, on 02 Mar 2016 - 15:53, said:frank83628, on 02 Mar 2016 - 15:53, said:

IslandLover, on 02 Mar 2016 - 14:26, said:IslandLover, on 02 Mar 2016 - 14:26, said:

Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

You may want it to, but it isn't

Another interesting revelation is the interview on screen with the parents of Nick Pearson who also died in suspicious circumstances on Koh Tao. Yet another family let down by the RTP and the Thai authorities.

i don't really think anything they said was a revelation most of what they said was already known and nothing could class it as a suspicious death, 'he was so drunk he had to be escorted home and put to bed', remember that part, so anything is possible really, maybe he woke up and wanted a piss, maybe he decided he was off for a swim, maybe he wanted to stand on a rock and do a de'caprio, who knows what went through his head while that intoxicated, but it has to be sinister and a murder??...the brother said 'who would sleepwalk there'.??...surely you are asleep thats the reason its called sleep walking, you're not in control??

there wasn't anything in that video that isn't already known, it basically just covers all the points of the cover up theory, and nothing else, i was expecting it to be more controversial or damming.

is the is a verified production company? are there other docos?

is the is a verified production company? are there other docos?

Yes, they are a very reputable company who have made award-winning documentaries in the past.

http://www.makeproductions.com/

Edited March 3, 2016 by IslandLover

[Moonsterk]

Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

You may want it to, but it isn't

Another interesting revelation is the interview on screen with the parents of Nick Pearson who also died in suspicious circumstances on Koh Tao. Yet another family let down by the RTP and the Thai authorities.

And you're off on another diversion, now Nick Pearson which is hardly a revelation. AD has covered this death several times and it was discussed elsewhere. But it isn't the topic here.

If you wish to have a statement from a video (that is about the murder of David Miller) considered as evidence of your claims, please first cite the source of the remark, then provide link, and kindly include a a minute mark- I'm not watching an entire 45 minute rehash of the propaganda express.

Let me remind you of recent posts where you claimed- to my query of what's the UK autopsy state... the autopsy was "no one's business," which was discarded instantly when you discovered this video, the link to which you refused to provide in a baiting, trolling manner, (the posts were removed by admin)

I think one of the weaker points in debating this topic is resorting to that sort of "defense"- it just has no value to the objective reader, and reduces credibility.

I'll also remind the reader we have the companion telling AD in the last article ( cannot link by rules) the body "could not be examined in UK due to the embalming..." So, which is true?

Edited March 3, 2016 by Moonsterk

[Moonsterk]

frank83628, on 02 Mar 2016 - 15:53, said:frank83628, on 02 Mar 2016 - 15:53, said:

IslandLover, on 02 Mar 2016 - 14:26, said:IslandLover, on 02 Mar 2016 - 14:26, said:

Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:Moonsterk, on 02 Mar 2016 - 10:15, said:

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

You may want it to, but it isn't

Another interesting revelation is the interview on screen with the parents of Nick Pearson who also died in suspicious circumstances on Koh Tao. Yet another family let down by the RTP and the Thai authorities.

i don't really think anything they said was a revelation most of what they said was already known and nothing could class it as a suspicious death, 'he was so drunk he had to be escorted home and put to bed', remember that part, so anything is possible really, maybe he woke up and wanted a piss, maybe he decided he was off for a swim, maybe he wanted to stand on a rock and do a de'caprio, who knows what went through his head while that intoxicated, but it has to be sinister and a murder??...the brother said 'who would sleepwalk there'.??...surely you are asleep thats the reason its called sleep walking, you're not in control??

there wasn't anything in that video that isn't already known, it basically just covers all the points of the cover up theory, and nothing else, i was expecting it to be more controversial or damming.

is the is a verified production company? are there other docos?

is the is a verified production company? are there other docos?

Yes, they are a very reputable company who have made award-winning documentaries in the past.

http://www.makeproductions.com/

So what? Not one iota of evidence in the vid that Luke Miller was murdered, and police covered it up.

[seedy]

Troll / Flaming post - and quoted reply - hidden

Keep the Personal attacks off this Forum

[Moonsterk]

The video is referring to David Miller, not Luke

At one point, the video refers to the various foreign deaths on Koh Tao. Luke Mille's death is discussed (with a photo of Luke on the screen), and the reporter states that Luke's cause of death was not drowning. If you think they're mistaken, take it up with the production company.

A reporter claims it in the video, did they talk to the real experts or is it just another speculation ? We all agree on David Miller but Luke is a different story.

Exactly, it's just repeating opinion and presenting it as fact, which is the foundation of this theory. ARP. (Argument by Regurgitive Process) If they keep repeating it, and get anyone who counters it to shut up, it will become a fact.

Why? Why does this death need to be a murder, what's the gain? Who is feeding the burner on this train of misinformation? Now that would be a very interesting topic.

Double indemnity?

Edited March 3, 2016 by Moonsterk

[Moonsterk]

What matters is that Luke was found dead in a pool. Whether it was self inflicted or foul play is a matter for the UK coroner's inquest to ascertain. As I trust the coroner's conclusions more than anyone in Thailand, I will wait until it's concluded.

And I would concur, a UK doctor over a Thai one, any day. But we have been informed by the companion, quoted on AD blog the body was embalmed in such a way as to make further investigation impossible.

So... should we believe that? Not necessarily of course, considering the source, especially, but perhaps... perhaps to toxicology exams, yes but if it was a drowning, and all fluid has dissipated, can the UK Coroner really make an accurate assessment?

What if he hit his head, and died very soon afterward from that, technically but did get fluid in his lungs, it would be understandable to have a bit of discrepancy in the CoD.

[Khun Han]

"I'm not watching an entire 45 minute rehash of the propaganda express."

"So what? Not one iota of evidence in the vid that Luke Miller was murdered, and police covered it up."

Oh what a tangled web we weave.

[JLCrab]

This is a screen shot from the video. All the narrative says is that the late Mr. Luke Miller was found dead in a swimming pool on Koh Tao in January 2016 and that an autopsy revealed that he did not drown.

[Khun Han]

So, either the info in the TV report is inaccurate, the British coroner is telling lies, or the RTP are telling lies.

[JLCrab]

Also from the video: (My transcription) :

"Some of the families suspect a cover-up ... like the Pearsons. They were on a family holiday. After a night out, they returned to their hotel. Their youngest son, Nick, had had a drink and needed help getting to his room."

Note: Home Office pathologist Dr Michael Biggs said Nick had 237 mg of alcohol in his body. The UK legal limit for driving is 80 mgs.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Nick-Pearson-inquest-Family-Derbyshire-man-dead/story-25741734-detail/story.html#ixzz41puONNjk

[bannork]

The programme should have mentioned this regarding the death of Christine Annesley

In some of the many tweets she posted while on Koh Tao, Annesley had complained of a chest infection. She also said she was taking Tramadol, a powerful painkiller, while drinking.