Fined from immigration yesterday in our hotel

[Ian1980]

Yesterday immigration officers went to our hotel and asked to see the registered guests.At the moment were 11 guests in house.They asked why we don't submit copy of the passport and visa to the immigration office in phuket:they said is a procedure that should be done any time someone check in.The "real"fine should be 10.000 baht for any unregistered guests.After a long(2 hours)speech we agreed for 6000 baht for unregistered guests:so yesterday i saw 66.000 fly away.

[Thanyaburi Mac]

Receipts issued, of course.

???

Mac

[ubonjoe]

Nothing new in what they told you. It is called out in the immigration act of 1979. Info is here on the immigration website. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=alienstay

For hotels and other businesses the max fine is 10k baht. Better 66k baht rather than 110k baht.

[meatboy]

were they real ones.

[zombie nights]

So OP, did you get a official receipt or not?

Assuming the immigration officers were genuine, you got what you deserved for breaking the law.

Edited June 17, 2016 by zombie nights

[Ian1980]

Yes,i got the receipt.

[shirtless]

So why didnt you register the guests, it should be SOP.

[Ian1980]

So why didnt you register the guests, it should be SOP.

To be honest as i am new in this kind of business i don't know.I made a mistake,i paied for it,now will not be happen again.

[tomwct]

Good! Next time you will follow Thai Law!

[Thanyaburi Mac]

Ah, I misunderstood, didn't know it was YOUR hotel, thought you were one of the 11 guests.

Mac

[ubonjoe]

You can do it online if you register at immigration to get a user name and password.

[Ian1980]

Good! Next time you will follow Thai Law!

Always do.

[Ian1980]

Ah, I misunderstood, didn't know it was YOUR hotel, thought you were one of the 11 guests.

Mac

I have a partnership in this hotel.I would like to be all mine.......

[Ian1980]

You can do it online if you register at immigration to get a user name and password.

Yes Ubonjoe .Yesterday one of the officers made the online registration for me.

[darrendsd]

Good! Next time you will follow Thai Law!

Sigh, and I guess you know every Thai law that's ever been passed?

As the OP said he's new to this, a harsh lesson learnt for him

[JayBird]

Then this sounds like the Police/Immigration Officers were amiable, following the law, and being perfectly legit. That's nice

[NickJ]

Before you get into a business no matter where it is. You need to understand the laws. I would suggest you get an understanding of tax and labor law before a problem just pops up.

[Radar501]

So how is it that the 'real' 10,000 baht fine can be negotiated down to 6,000 baht?

That issue alone makes the whole procedure appear vulnerable to corruption and abuse.

[ubonjoe]

So how is it that the 'real' 10,000 baht fine can be negotiated down to 6,000 baht?

That issue alone makes the whole procedure appear vulnerable to corruption and abuse.

As I wrote before the maximum fine is 10,000 baht.

A lower fine can be imposed and is at the discretion of the officer with the authority do do it.

[ubonjoe]

Some off topic posts meant to derail the topic have been removed.

[Gary A]

I know several guys who have some condos that they rent out. They have never paid any tax nor have they registered their renters. They are quite worried right now. Recently immigration has been asking for details and information from renters. Renters need to furnish a contract, name of the owner they rent from and a copy of the owner's ID.

[bamukloy]

I know several guys who have some condos that they rent out. They have never paid any tax nor have they registered their renters. They are quite worried right now. Recently immigration has been asking for details and information from renters. Renters need to furnish a contract, name of the owner they rent from and a copy of the owner's ID.

And what if you live in a gfs house, or condo with gf name on lease?

Anyone in this position that knows already, you try and tell the gf and the landlord, they both look at you like you are crazy.

I mentioned this issue to several Thais and they mostly just scoff or say "no no, no have to do for you"

So yeah..pretty hard to get the process done, copies of lease etc when your up against this.

then if they get fined,they will be coming to you for the money because its your fault cause your the farang staying here.grrr

[chrisinth]

I know several guys who have some condos that they rent out. They have never paid any tax nor have they registered their renters. They are quite worried right now. Recently immigration has been asking for details and information from renters. Renters need to furnish a contract, name of the owner they rent from and a copy of the owner's ID.

And what if you live in a gfs house, or condo with gf name on lease?

Anyone in this position that knows already, you try and tell the gf and the landlord, they both look at you like you are crazy.

I mentioned this issue to several Thais and they mostly just scoff or say "no no, no have to do for you"

So yeah..pretty hard to get the process done, copies of lease etc when your up against this.

then if they get fined,they will be coming to you for the money because its your fault cause your the farang staying here.grrr

That's what your TM28 & 30 are for.

[mihalis]

Your own fault, not something difficult !

[lust]

Good! Next time you will follow Thai Law!

What's your problem?

[anotheruser]

As far as I can tell the guy admitted he made a mistake and was just relating his experience here. I don't understand why some people seem to be so sanctimonious over it.

[flyingdoc]

Harsh but accurate! Expensive lesson!

[natway09]

Bad Luck & rather harsh treatment for a first offence. (Hopefully your last)

This could be a wake up call for anybody who owns & rents out rooms, condos or houses.

Wonder if my landlord has notified immigration of our details (12 years in same apartment) ???

[gamini]

Good! Next time you will follow Thai Law!

Sigh, and I guess you know every Thai law that's ever been passed?

As the OP said he's new to this, a harsh lesson learnt for him

This is not a "Thai law", it is the same in nearly every country. All people in the hotel industry should know that all guests must be registered

[soalbundy]

I know several guys who have some condos that they rent out. They have never paid any tax nor have they registered their renters. They are quite worried right now. Recently immigration has been asking for details and information from renters. Renters need to furnish a contract, name of the owner they rent from and a copy of the owner's ID.

And what if you live in a gfs house, or condo with gf name on lease?

Anyone in this position that knows already, you try and tell the gf and the landlord, they both look at you like you are crazy.

I mentioned this issue to several Thais and they mostly just scoff or say "no no, no have to do for you"

So yeah..pretty hard to get the process done, copies of lease etc when your up against this.

then if they get fined,they will be coming to you for the money because its your fault cause your the farang staying here.grrr

That's what your TM28 & 30 are for.

kap choeng seems to think it's all BS, when i asked at immigration about it,ie. if i go to BKK for a week does the missus have to register with immigration that i am back they just pooh poohed the idea, no not for just a week, they just didn't seem bothered.