Trump on Obama and ISIL: "I was being sarcastic but..."

[alanrchase]

13 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

So, every one is glad that we are going after ISIS. That does not mean that we are RESPECTED MILITARILY. We probably could have wiped them out in two weeks with a real leader.

 

What exactly do you mean by respected militarily? Should the rest of the world be scared of your military power? The US has used its military to carry out devestation arround the world. Should I respect that?

[DM07]

3 hours ago, morrobay said:

 

Well Trump has suggested alignment with Russia in defeating ISIS. While U.S ( Obama /Clinton)  as well as the neocons , policy  insists on fighting two flanks : Against Assad (Shia) and  against ISIS (Sunni)

Now what is more stupid ?

Are you kidding me?

Trump thinks that Sunii is the guy who married to Cher and Shiit is what a bear does in the woods!

He has no ....idea whatsoever and he probably thinks, the Russians are still called USSA...or R...or something...

Get real, please!

[thaihome]

14 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

a.) "America first will be the overriding theme of my administration".  "My foreign policy will always put the interests of the American people and American security first."

 

 b.) "Foreign policy realism," focused on the destruction of Islamic State militants and other extremist groups, rather than reshaping nations to an American ideal.

 

c.) Revamp U.S. immigration policy to stop issuing visas to people seeking to enter the country if they cannot be adequately screened ahead of time.

 

d.) "I will never send our finest into battle unless necessary, and I mean absolutely necessary, and will only do so if we have a plan for victory with a capital ."

 

e.) "We're going to be working very closely with our friends in the Muslim world, which are all at risk for violent attacks."

 

f.) Reverse China's "assault on America's jobs and wealth" and to use America's "economic power" over China to bring Beijing into line.

 

g.) "We must make America respected again. We must make America truly wealthy again and we must, we have to and we will make America great again. And if we do that, perhaps this century can be the most peaceful and prosperous the world has ever ever known."

 

 

 

 

If you truly believe that is some how a major change to current policies then there is no point in continuing the discussion. 

TH 

 

 

Donald Trump traveled to Youngstown, Ohio, to deliver what was billed as a “major” speech on how to deal with the threat posed by the Islamic State terrorist group, a.k.a. ISIS. For reasons known only to Trump, he continued to repeat false statements that have been repeatedly debunked in the past. So here’s a roundup of some of the more notable claims made in the speech. As is our practice, we don’t award Pinocchios in roundups, but readers by now should be able to tell the real whoppers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/16/fact-checking-donald-trumps-major-speech-on-the-islamic-state/

 

 

A HEAVILY trailed speech by Donald Trump on counter-terrorism, delivered in Ohio on August 15th, included little that made sense as a plan for keeping America safe, but offered some fresh insights into the self-obsessed, fact-scorning temperament of the businessman who wants to hold the world’s most powerful job.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/08/terrorism-and-trump

[boomerangutang]

22 hours ago, morrobay said:

 

Well you sure did not get any degrees in logic Hoss.

Fact 1. The invasion of Iraq was/is a disaster: Over $4 T. Over 4000 U.S. soldiers + at least twice as many serious injuries and complete destabillization of the country. Incompetence or something more sinister from Cheney  $ Co. ?

Fact 2.  The Obama/Clinton backed removal of Ghadaffi and subsequent mess in Libya and Benghazi disaster.

Fact 3. Trump pointed both above facts out. ( for those so misinformed or in state of denial)

 

The invasion of Iraq may have been a disaster for some.  It's debatable whether Iraq would be worse off without US and allied interference.  Saddam and his two sons would still be in charge, and summary killings and rapes would have been going on daily.  I think Iraq and the region would be worse off today if US/Allies had not gone ahead with Iraq II.   Maybe that's good how you can't imagine how it could be worse (it's the stuff of nightmares), but I can.

 

#2   The Libyan implosion would have happened regardless of what western powers did.  Do you think the US and Europe control every major thing that happens in Dune countries?  Here's a hint:  There are tens of millions of people in those countries.  They all have emotions and weapons.  The most the US and Europe did with the Libya problem was help a slight bit in speeding up the civil war so less people died than would have ordinarily.   

 

#3.  Trump is a parody of himself.   He constantly finds fault with what opposition leaders have done.  All the while he claims he would have done better and will do better.  No specifics.  HIndsight and future projections.  He's got zero track record with anything other than bankruptcies and how to avoid paying workers for work done.  

 

Plus he's severely misinformed about every aspect of foreign policy.  He's the lowest of the lowest.   There's not one foreign policy expert, not one top brass US military person, not one prominent person in the State Dept/CIA/FBI/ who has anything good to say about Trump. He's a failure at business, a failure as a person, and will be harmful for the US in many ways.

[morrobay]

1.  I agree Saddam and sons had to go. But thats what .50 cal. snipers are for.

You dont have to invade a country just to get rid of a few people.

It could have been down covertly. Then there was the incompetent administrators who dismantled the government and army. 

One thing for sure the U.S. wasted trillions and thousands of lives 

2. I dont know about Libya. All that bombing by the French and others was "slight' interference ?

Sometime a strongman like Ghadaffi  is required to keep the lid on. 

3. Sure Trump is not experienced in foreign policy but if he chooses those who are experts for his cabinet to be in control.

For example  that general who was a possible VP to be Sec of Defense 

[boomerangutang]

6 hours ago, morrobay said:

3. Sure Trump is not experienced in foreign policy but if he chooses those who are experts for his cabinet to be in control.

For example  that general who was a possible VP to be Sec of Defense 

 

I have zero faith in Trump's ability to pick sage and knowledgeable people for important positions.  Look at his hand-picked spokespeople.  They're being interviewed every day, and they're flummoxed at the easiest questions.  Granted, it's an uphill struggle to try and explain what Trump utters.  

 

And Trump's campaign staff:  thus far, in the past three months he's changed personnel twice.  He is incapable of picking good people because he's not a qualified person himself.   He might as well just go to a subway station and pick the first 30 people who walk by.  Maybe that's how he picked his golf caddy (true story) for an important job.  Trump University also had one of its top professors:  a night manager at Wings 'n Things.   

[Ulysses G.]

12 hours ago, morrobay said:

 

2. I dont know about Libya. All that bombing by the French and others was "slight' interference ?

Sometime a strongman like Ghadaffi  is required to keep the lid on.

 

 

We finally had Ghadaffi under control and Libya under Mr. Gaddafi was Africa 's most prosperous democracy. Attacking Libya was pure stupidity. Hillary gets much of the credit for that.

[Andaman Al]

2 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

We finally had Ghadaffi under control and Libya under Mr. Gaddafi was Africa 's most prosperous democracy. Attacking Libya was pure stupidity. Hillary gets much of the credit for that.

So how does Hillary get credit for Libya? Please tell us as you like facts so much?

 

It was the UNITED NATIONS Security Council Resolution 1973 that called for the initial sanctions. It was then President Sarkozy of FRANCE that called for Military Intervention in Libya backed by David Cameron of Britain. THEN the US Senate UNANIMOUSLY voted to impose a no-fly zone, OBAMA met with 18 senior Rep/Dem law makers. The Europeans decided to take action, after which OBAMA addressed the American people, about 5 weeks after Sarkozy called for Gaddafi to be taken out. WHERE was Hillary in all of this??? Why is she taking the credit for the French and Brits? It was a NATO move, do you know what that means? You the USA had NO CHOICE!

 

But hey lets not let the truth get in the way of a Hillary hating Republican.

[Ulysses G.]

8 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

So how does Hillary get credit for Libya? Please tell us as you like facts so much?

 

 

 

It is a well known FACT that Hillary pushed the attack on Libya. I am not surprised that you don't know that - situation normal actually.

 

Hillary Defends Her Failed War in Libya

 

Using contested intelligence, a powerful adviser urges a president to wage a war of choice against a dictator; makes a bellicose joke when he is killed; declares the operation a success; fails to plan for a power vacuum; and watches Islamists gain power. That describes Dick Cheney and the Iraq War—and Hillary Clinton and the war in Libya.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/hillary-clinton-debate-libya/410437/

[Crowes]

Obama and Hillary.....lead from behind and never take any blame for their failures (which are countless at this point, more so than all other administrations combined).  Meanwhile the liberals blame Bush, and now Trump, for everything. Liberal logic....never makes much sense.

[boomerangutang]

19 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

We finally had Ghadaffi under control and Libya under Mr. Gaddafi was Africa 's most prosperous democracy. Attacking Libya was pure stupidity. Hillary gets much of the credit for that.

 

The biggest players in Libya were the Libyan people.  It amazes me how ordinarily intelligent people think the US has such control over the thoughts and actions of tens of millions of people in the M.East.  See Andaman Al's synopsis, a few posts prior, to get a thumbnail picture of what happened there.  

[Ulysses G.]

12 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

 

The biggest players in Libya were the Libyan people. 

 

The Libyan people do not control NATO - the US does.

 

The  Air Force and Naval Forces of 5 countries under their control pounded Libya into submission. It is a fact that Hilary pushed this war.

[farcanell]

1 hour ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

The Libyan people do not control NATO - the US does.

 

The  Air Force and Naval Forces of 5 countries under their control pounded Libya into submission. It is a fact that Hilary pushed this war.

 

Ah... That's it then... The North Atlantic Treaty Organisarion, of some 28 nations, is controlled by the US.... Everything becomes clear.... 

 

You gotta laugh when people suggest that other nations / people's hate Americans, when quite clearly, they are our saviour.

[Boon Mee]

Trump Was Right! Yahoo Lists Obama as ‘Founder of ISIS’

 

How many times does Donald Trump have to be proven right before the denizens of the left wing fever swamps start to believe? 

 

 

Trump wasn’t the only one who made this claim.
A 2012 Pentagon report warned that Obama’s policies would create ISIS.

And now it’s official! 
Barack Obama is the founder of ISIS!

Yahoo news says so …. via Wikipedia:

 

[stevenl]

You omitted something:

Yahoo has since deleted this Obama achievement from his biography.

[Chicog]

On 8/18/2016 at 9:47 PM, Ulysses G. said:

 

We finally had Ghadaffi under control and Libya under Mr. Gaddafi was Africa 's most prosperous democracy. Attacking Libya was pure stupidity. Hillary gets much of the credit for that.

 

Boon Mee doesn't really care if it's wrong *or* out of date.

It's on the Internet, so it must be true.

 

 

[farcanell]

On August 19, 2559 BE at 1:47 AM, Ulysses G. said:

 

We finally had Ghadaffi under control and Libya under Mr. Gaddafi was Africa 's most prosperous democracy. Attacking Libya was pure stupidity. Hillary gets much of the credit for that.

 

LMAO.... I only just noticed this post ... Thanks for reposting it Chicog

 

 

Gaddafis regime a democracy

 

 

i needed that!