Reaction around the world to first Trump-Clinton debate

[Linzz]

16 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

What's this 'non-conformist' and 'outsider' stuff still stapled to Trump's name?

 

He's conformist to the 10th degree.  Look at the clothes he wears: suit, white shirt and red tie (a Trump tie made in China, no less).  That's the most conformist attire available.   Look at the people he rubs shoulders with:  politicians (most of whom are corrupt and hard-right wingers), judges who he takes out to dinner the evening before a ruling (usually re; one of the nearly 4,000 cases of contractors suing him for non-payment).  

 

He also hangs with mafia dons (ok, maybe that's non-conformist).  He even admits to paying bribes to important people right and left, and expecting favors for such payments.  

 

 

 

 

 

Political non conformist I mean Boomer, not from the Establishment, not what he wears

[Linzz]

6 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

Near the end of the debate, Hillary was able to slip in a mention of Miss Muchado, the Colombian woman who because Miss Universe.   Trump can't readily sue her (though he's surely contemplating it) because he didn't get a gag order on her.   He's already gotten thousands of gag orders on essentially everyone who he's ever done business with him (including ex-wives), because nearly all of them would talk shit about him if they were legally allowed to speak.    Ha ha ha, Mr. Trump.  Miss Muchado slipped by your gag order net.  It's good for the American people to see what a despicable man Trump really is (particularly those who don't already know).

 

 

 

Very disconcerting and insensitive. But I worry it gets politicized when turned into a Clinton party political ad. 

[boomerangutang]

59 minutes ago, Linzz said:

Very disconcerting and insensitive. But I worry it gets politicized when turned into a Clinton party political ad. 

 

You may worry, if you're a Trump fan.  But if you're more objective (or anti-Trump, as I am), you can see the above segment about Miss Universe as showing sides of who Trump really is.   Isn't that what this campaign and the debates are about?  ....showing American voters their choices.

 

The Miss U issue is going to resonate big time with voters.  It's a toss-up (in my view) over which of the following three issues will be the most defining moments of the debate: 

 

>>>  Miss Universe snub

>>>  Trump admitting he never pays taxes, describing it as "smart"

>>>  Trump's gross and repeated interrupting of HRC and the moderator.

 

I only wish the other two candidates were up there on the debate stage.  Note:  The League of Women Voters used to oversee debates.  Then, a few years ago, the two major political parties wrested control away from LWV.   It's no secret why:  The two major parties wanted to keep the debates an exclusive club.

Edited September 28, 2016 by boomerangutang

[iReason]

1 hour ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

 Except many people think you have it backwards.

 

Why would you care?

After all, you have claimed consistently and continually that you are not a Trump supporter, nor would you vote for him.

 

Must be a real quagmire you dwell in...

 

[Ulysses G.]

7 minutes ago, iReason said:

 

Why would you care?

After all, you have claimed consistently and continually that you are not a Trump supporter, nor would you vote for him.

 

 

 

All true, but I despise Hillary even more - not hard to figure out if you read my posts. 

[Mazungu]

12 hours ago, Grubster said:

Keep going your not even close yet

1. Trump lied when he denied praising Russian president Vladimir Putin.
2. Trump lied when he claimed Hillary created the birther movement.
3. Trump lied when he denied calling climate change a Chinese hoax.
4. Trump lied about his support for the Iraq War. (At least three times.)
5. Trump lied when he said New York City’s unconstitutional “stop and frisk” policy caused a decrease in crime.
6. Trump lied when he said ISIS formed under Hillary and President Obama’s watch.
7. Trump lied when he denied saying pregnancy is an inconvenience.
8. Trump lied when he denied saying women don’t deserve equal pay.
9. Trump lied when he said Hillary has no plan to create jobs.
10. Trump lied when he said you can’t release your tax returns during an audit.
11. Trump lied about the United States paying Iran more than $1 billion as part of the Iran nuclear deal.
12. Trump lied about his company’s debt—saying $650 million in debt is not a lot.
13. Trump lied about how many companies are leaving the United States, especially when he said they are “leaving in bigger numbers than ever.”
14. Trump lied when he said that he was quoted in Esquire magazine about not supporting the Iraq War.
15. Trump lied when he said his father gave him “a very small loan.”
16. Trump lied when he claimed credit for NATO opening a terrorism division.
17. Trump lied when he said he’s developed good relationships with African Americans. (Polls show “little-to-no African-American support for Donald Trump.”)
18. Trump lied when he said he and Hillary agree on child care (they agree it’s necessary—but Hillary, and most independent experts, disagrees with Trump’s plan).
19. Trump lied when he said Hillary doesn’t want to use the words “law and order.”
20. Trump lied when he said he didn’t pay small businesses and contractors for their work because they didn’t do a good enough job.
21. Trump lied when he said Hillary put out the rumor that he supported the Iraq War.
22. Trump lied when he said he doesn’t mind releasing his tax returns.
23. Trump lied when he said other people don’t get audited.
24. Trump lied when he said he has “much less” than $650 billion in debt.
25. Trump lied when he said he told Howard Stern “I don’t know, maybe” about the Iraq War.
26. Trump lied when he said Iran has “total power” over North Korea.
27. Trump lied when he said Iran was ready to fall under sanctions before the Iran deal.
28. Trump lied when he said ISIS has a lot of the oil in Libya.
29. Trump lied when he said Hillary has only recently started talking about trade.
30. Trump lied when he said you can learn more from a financial disclosure than tax returns.
31. Trump lied when he said no one cared about the birther issue until recently.
32. Trump lied when he said nobody knows it was Russia that hacked the DNC.
33. Trump lied when he said nobody wants to call Sean Hannity to confirm he was against the Iraq war.
34. Trump lied when he said Hillary could have defeated ISIS by never having it get going in the first place.
35. Trump lied when he claimed Hillary was unable to produce President Obama’s birth certificate (note: she didn’t try—because she didn’t believe it was necessary).
36. Trump lied when he said Hillary’s created so many bad deals.
37. Trump lied when he said B-52 bombers are outdated.
38. Trump lied when he said Hillary’s very cavalier in the way she talks about various countries.
39. Trump lied when he said Sid Blumenthal sent a reporter to investigate President Obama’s birth certificate.
40. Trump lied when he said his tax plan will create millions of new jobs.
41. Trump lied when he said Hillary changed his position on TPP after he came out against it.
42. Trump lied when he said Hillary is just beginning to think about job creation.
43. Trump lied when he said he only filed for bankruptcy four times.
44. Trump lied when he said his contractors were paid a lot even if they didn’t get paid everything they were owed.
45. Trump lied when he said Hillary hasn’t created jobs in 30 years.
46. Trump lied when he said we have no leadership in bringing jobs back (apparently, he’s not counting the 15 million jobs created under President Obama).
47. Trump lied when he said you don’t learn much from tax returns.
48. Trump lied when he said Hillary has no trade plan.
49. Trump lied when he said the Federal Reserve is doing political things by keeping interest rates down.
50. Trump lied when he said Hillary called TPP the finest deal she’s ever seen.
51. Trump lied when he said Hillary treated President Obama with terrible disrespect during the debates.
52. Trump lied when he said she wants to approve TPP.
53. Trump lied when he said Hillary’s regulations will kill jobs.
54. Trump lied when he said you’re telling the enemy everything you want to do.
55. Trump lied when he said New York City’s old stop and frisk policy wasn’t ruled unconstitutional.
56. Trump lied when he said Hillary’s been “fighting ISIS her entire adult life.”
57. Trump lied when he said the Iran deal is a mess.
58. Trump lied when he called his lies “facts.”

[ttthailand]

1. Trump lied when he denied praising Russian president Vladimir Putin.
2. Trump lied when he claimed Hillary created the birther movement.
3. Trump lied when he denied calling climate change a Chinese hoax.
4. Trump lied about his support for the Iraq War. (At least three times.)
5. Trump lied when he said New York City’s unconstitutional “stop and frisk” policy caused a decrease in crime.
6. Trump lied when he said ISIS formed under Hillary and President Obama’s watch.
7. Trump lied when he denied saying pregnancy is an inconvenience.
8. Trump lied when he denied saying women don’t deserve equal pay.
9. Trump lied when he said Hillary has no plan to create jobs.
10. Trump lied when he said you can’t release your tax returns during an audit.
11. Trump lied about the United States paying Iran more than $1 billion as part of the Iran nuclear deal.
12. Trump lied about his company’s debt—saying $650 million in debt is not a lot.
13. Trump lied about how many companies are leaving the United States, especially when he said they are “leaving in bigger numbers than ever.”
14. Trump lied when he said that he was quoted in Esquire magazine about not supporting the Iraq War.
15. Trump lied when he said his father gave him “a very small loan.”
16. Trump lied when he claimed credit for NATO opening a terrorism division.
17. Trump lied when he said he’s developed good relationships with African Americans. (Polls show “little-to-no African-American support for Donald Trump.”)
18. Trump lied when he said he and Hillary agree on child care (they agree it’s necessary—but Hillary, and most independent experts, disagrees with Trump’s plan).
19. Trump lied when he said Hillary doesn’t want to use the words “law and order.”
20. Trump lied when he said he didn’t pay small businesses and contractors for their work because they didn’t do a good enough job.
21. Trump lied when he said Hillary put out the rumor that he supported the Iraq War.
22. Trump lied when he said he doesn’t mind releasing his tax returns.
23. Trump lied when he said other people don’t get audited.
24. Trump lied when he said he has “much less” than $650 billion in debt.
25. Trump lied when he said he told Howard Stern “I don’t know, maybe” about the Iraq War.
26. Trump lied when he said Iran has “total power” over North Korea.
27. Trump lied when he said Iran was ready to fall under sanctions before the Iran deal.
28. Trump lied when he said ISIS has a lot of the oil in Libya.
29. Trump lied when he said Hillary has only recently started talking about trade.
30. Trump lied when he said you can learn more from a financial disclosure than tax returns.
31. Trump lied when he said no one cared about the birther issue until recently.
32. Trump lied when he said nobody knows it was Russia that hacked the DNC.
33. Trump lied when he said nobody wants to call Sean Hannity to confirm he was against the Iraq war.
34. Trump lied when he said Hillary could have defeated ISIS by never having it get going in the first place.
35. Trump lied when he claimed Hillary was unable to produce President Obama’s birth certificate (note: she didn’t try—because she didn’t believe it was necessary).
36. Trump lied when he said Hillary’s created so many bad deals.
37. Trump lied when he said B-52 bombers are outdated.
38. Trump lied when he said Hillary’s very cavalier in the way she talks about various countries.
39. Trump lied when he said Sid Blumenthal sent a reporter to investigate President Obama’s birth certificate.
40. Trump lied when he said his tax plan will create millions of new jobs.
41. Trump lied when he said Hillary changed his position on TPP after he came out against it.
42. Trump lied when he said Hillary is just beginning to think about job creation.
43. Trump lied when he said he only filed for bankruptcy four times.
44. Trump lied when he said his contractors were paid a lot even if they didn’t get paid everything they were owed.
45. Trump lied when he said Hillary hasn’t created jobs in 30 years.
46. Trump lied when he said we have no leadership in bringing jobs back (apparently, he’s not counting the 15 million jobs created under President Obama).
47. Trump lied when he said you don’t learn much from tax returns.
48. Trump lied when he said Hillary has no trade plan.
49. Trump lied when he said the Federal Reserve is doing political things by keeping interest rates down.
50. Trump lied when he said Hillary called TPP the finest deal she’s ever seen.
51. Trump lied when he said Hillary treated President Obama with terrible disrespect during the debates.
52. Trump lied when he said she wants to approve TPP.
53. Trump lied when he said Hillary’s regulations will kill jobs.
54. Trump lied when he said you’re telling the enemy everything you want to do.
55. Trump lied when he said New York City’s old stop and frisk policy wasn’t ruled unconstitutional.
56. Trump lied when he said Hillary’s been “fighting ISIS her entire adult life.”
57. Trump lied when he said the Iran deal is a mess.
58. Trump lied when he called his lies “facts.”

So tell me, you really think Trump is a liar 0_0

[Mazungu]

6 minutes ago, ttthailand said:

So tell me, you really think Trump is a liar 0_0

Ted Cruz was correct when he called Trump a "pathological liar." 

[Jingthing]

His bragging about paying no taxes is going to resonate among undecideds. That little revealing comment is potentially a game changer. Not so much the fact but the condescending attitude. Basically I'm Mr. Big and people that pay taxes are losers and suckers. Not what people look for in a president.

[Mazungu]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

His bragging about paying no taxes is going to resonate among undecideds. That little revealing comment is potentially a game changer. Not so much the fact but the condescending attitude. Basically I'm Mr. Big and people that pay taxes are losers and suckers. Not what people look for in a president.

 

Doesn't everyone already know that? Another billionaire Leona Helmsley famously said, "only the little people pay taxes." 

[Fookhaht]

Several of the most hilarious responses to the debate were on the DAY BEFORE the debate.......

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/09/27/must-see-kimmel-asked-people-about-debate-it-happened

Edited September 28, 2016 by Fookhaht

[thaihome]

6 hours ago, Linzz said:

 

Well Max Defender of the Truth, we can't be one sided on truth. I hope the same standards are applied to Hillary. Do informed Americans know why Hillary used bleachbit to delete 33,000 wedding and yoga emails? 

 

What would you do with a hard drive from decommissioned server?

TH

[Jingthing]

19 minutes ago, thaihome said:

 

What would you do with a hard drive from decommissioned server?

TH

Drill through it is good, yeah?

[boomerangutang]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

His bragging about paying no taxes is going to resonate among undecideds. That little revealing comment is potentially a game changer. Not so much the fact but the condescending attitude. Basically I'm Mr. Big and people that pay taxes are losers and suckers. Not what people look for in a president.

 

....and his audible comment in response, "I was smart."  The tax thing and the fact that he derided the beauty queen for gaining weight (a problem for 83% of Americans in trans-fat land) is going to bite Trump on his plump ass on election day.

 

1 hour ago, thaihome said:

What would you do with a hard drive from decommissioned server?

....and from 7 yrs ago.  Republican shrills hope it has specs on the Raytheon anti-missile shield, but at most it has gossip on what color pantsuit HRC should wear when meeting with the governor of Mumbai.  Similar to the redneck hiding in his darkened 11' x 7' trailer hoping, until his dying days, that a thief tries to sneak in so he can blow his head off with a shotgun, Republicans are hoping upon hope that Russia or China or Iran will have some useful data from HRC's emails from nearly a decade ago. Ummm yea, that would be juicy.

[boomerangutang]

       One thing the talking heads haven't yet discussed is how terrible Trump would be if/when he started negotiating deals with foreign leaders.   From foreigners' perspective, it's human nature to want to say no to being bullied.  Trump first broadcasts how he will get the best deals for the US, so foreigners already know he's bragging before the deal is signed. Then Trump denigrates the same foreigners before (during and after) meeting them.  

 

Even rednecks should know: no one likes to be bullied.  

 

       Imagine you had a nice antique car to sell at a yard sale. Several people wanted to buy it, but then a big brash orange-haired guy shows up in a helicopter and shouts to everyone on your lawn, "step aside folks.  I'm bigger and better than all of you, and plus I'm very very rich.  The seller is going to sell that car to me because he's a weakling and I'm the best deal maker ever."   Would you sell him the car?

 

Before Trump flew into Mexico City, he had been loudly denigrating Mexicans.  He acted halfway decent while in Mexico, but hours later he was back in the US bad-mouthing Mexicans.  Mexicans are now relishing an opportunity to stuff Trump down a deep dark hole in the desert with his Chinese-made tie stuffed in his mouth. 

[Chicog]

Well well well.... guess who trolled the polls?

 

 

 

Quote

4chan, the notorious message board, has a long history of botting online competitions. In 2009, users flooded the Time 100 poll to ensure that the site’s founder, Christopher “moot” Poole, made the cut. In 2012, the pranksters employed JavaScript to vote for North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Time’s annual Person of the Year poll and followed suit the next year with Miley Cyrus and Edward Snowden. 4chan also ensured a school for the deaf won a Taylor Swift concert. Likewise, a Twitter prankster helped send Pitbull to Kodiak, Alaska, as part of an online challenge by Walmart in 2012.   

 

[Silurian]

Here is one more worldwide reaction to the debate. Well, actually more like Russia's (St. Petersburg) reaction.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2016 by Silurian

[Grubster]

14 hours ago, Linzz said:

 

I think the idea is cutting taxes on Business to 15% to free up money for expansion thus job creation and to compete better globally. Over burdening businesses with higher taxes will not stimulate growth. But it always sounds good from the left, "paying their fair share"  "Cutting taxes for the rich" are old socialist maxims largely based on an emotional appeal to the  envy vote.

I would argue that the best and most prosperous times in US history were times with high taxes, resulting in massive numbers of good paying jobs. Check the tax rates in the 50s. Why would a private company give more money to their employees just because they are making more money? When they invest this newfound money, they invest it in something that will eliminate some employees, or they use it to fund a big move to a foreign country and can them all.  Thats what trickle down has done so far.

[Linzz]

16 minutes ago, Grubster said:

I would argue that the best and most prosperous times in US history were times with high taxes, resulting in massive numbers of good paying jobs. Check the tax rates in the 50s. Why would a private company give more money to their employees just because they are making more money? When they invest this newfound money, they invest it in something that will eliminate some employees, or they use it to fund a big move to a foreign country and can them all.  Thats what trickle down has done so far.

 

Well we don't live in the 50's any longer unfortunately. You seem to be saying that higher taxes creates masses of high paying jobs but I think you have  the formula the wrong way around.The 50's was a time of development of mass production and high profitability so higher wages meant higher taxes were affordable. Times have changed. Not only was profitability so good that it only needed 1 person in a family to work, nowadays it takes 2. That is because taxes are  higher without the prosperity. In fact the marginal/income/state/ payroll taxes of today is 37% compared to 25% of the 50's.

https://www.aei.org/publication/were-taxes-really-higher-in-the-1950s/

 

Actually good companies do profit sharing and invest in a company culture that is inclusive especially if they value their employees as integral part of their operation.I take your point about technology eliminating jobs but that is technological progress which makes products cheaper and unfortunately you can't live in the past when there's open competition or you'll end up a 3rd world country. What's the alternative? Tax companies higher so they can't grow into innovative industries to employ more or do we go back to doing everything manually to employ masses of people? Then what would be the cost of products? Prohibitive ,basically unaffordable and industries would die.

[Chicog]

59 minutes ago, Grubster said:

I would argue that the best and most prosperous times in US history were times with high taxes, resulting in massive numbers of good paying jobs. Check the tax rates in the 50s. Why would a private company give more money to their employees just because they are making more money? When they invest this newfound money, they invest it in something that will eliminate some employees, or they use it to fund a big move to a foreign country and can them all.  Thats what trickle down has done so far.

 

You can argue it but I don't think it stands up to scrutiny.

 

• Contrary to what Republicans would have you believe, super-high tax rates on rich people do not appear to hurt the economy or make people lazy: During the 1950s and early 1960s, the top bracket income tax rate was over 90%--and the economy, middle-class, and stock market boomed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-tax-rates

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

The trouble with this image, obviously otherwise accurate, is that it shows Hill looking at the orange monster.

 

 

 

[Chicog]

There's more at the same link:

 

• Super-low tax rates on rich people also appear to be correlated with unsustainable sugar highs in the economy--brief, enjoyable booms followed by protracted busts. They also appear to be correlated with very high inequality. (For example, see the 1920s and now).

[Ulysses G.]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The trouble with this image, obviously otherwise accurate, is that it shows Hill looking at the orange monster.

 

 

She has also dropped 200 lbs and had a face lift.

[Skywalker69]

On 2016-09-27 at 4:22 PM, DiamondKing said:

TRUMP CRUSHED IT 

 

All the Polls say so, even the left wing ones there is no doubt Trump won hands down

 

 

Link to "all this polls" that said so, please. 

 

Strange that the white supremacy site "Stormfront" said that Clinton won.

 

Even Stormfront Thinks Hillary Clinton Won The Debate.

 

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/even-stormfront-thinks-hillary-clinton-won-the-debate-1787121521

[Linzz]

6 minutes ago, Chicog said:

 

You can argue it but I don't think it stands up to scrutiny.

 

• Contrary to what Republicans would have you believe, super-high tax rates on rich people do not appear to hurt the economy or make people lazy: During the 1950s and early 1960s, the top bracket income tax rate was over 90%--and the economy, middle-class, and stock market boomed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-tax-rates

 

You can't compare 2016 with the 50's and 60's See my post above.Anyway I am talking about COMPANY tax not personal tax. Higher taxes do not produce prosperity. They are the result of prosperity. More taxes equals government expansion which reduces economic growth by sucking in more wealth. Governments do not produce wealth just consume it. 100% government consumption equals communism.

 

 

[Grubster]

8 minutes ago, Linzz said:

 

Well we don't live in the 50's any longer unfortunately. You seem to be saying that higher taxes creates masses of high paying jobs but I think you have  the formula the wrong way around.The 50's was a time of development of mass production and high profitability so higher wages meant higher taxes were affordable. Times have changed. Not only was profitability so good that it only needed 1 person in a family to work, nowadays it takes 2. That is because taxes are  higher without the prosperity. In fact the marginal/income/state/ payroll taxes of today is 37% compared to 25% of the 50's.

https://www.aei.org/publication/were-taxes-really-higher-in-the-1950s/

 

Actually good companies do profit sharing and invest in a company culture that is inclusive especially if they value their employees as integral part of their operation.I take your point about technology eliminating jobs but that is technological progress which makes products cheaper and unfortunately you can't live in the past when there's open competition or you'll end up a 3rd world country. What's the alternative? Tax companies higher so they can't grow into innovative industries to employ more or do we go back to doing everything manually to employ masses of people? Then what would be the cost of products? Prohibitive ,basically unaffordable and industries would die.

No the alternative is Tax them at a rate that will allow the USA to rebuild itself, Place equal tariffs on all goods coming into the USA. Ban all US born companies from leaving the US by not allowing them to sell their products here if they leave. Also ban their being sold and moved by a foreign entity. I never wanted cheaper goods at the expense of my neighbors job. The Japanese and others have been selling their goods for much cheaper in the US than in the town they are made for many years, while they double the price of our goods with tariffs. Now our companies are moving to China to do the same. Giving them all the Trickle down tax breaks never slowed this process one bit. Yes I can live in the past if your "OPEN" competition includes using 10 year old kids in near slave conditions, with no safety precautions, no future, no injury compensations, etc. etc.  Stand proud when you buy that stuff.

[Grubster]

8 minutes ago, Linzz said:

 

Well we don't live in the 50's any longer unfortunately. You seem to be saying that higher taxes creates masses of high paying jobs but I think you have  the formula the wrong way around.The 50's was a time of development of mass production and high profitability so higher wages meant higher taxes were affordable. Times have changed. Not only was profitability so good that it only needed 1 person in a family to work, nowadays it takes 2. That is because taxes are  higher without the prosperity. In fact the marginal/income/state/ payroll taxes of today is 37% compared to 25% of the 50's.

https://www.aei.org/publication/were-taxes-really-higher-in-the-1950s/

 

Actually good companies do profit sharing and invest in a company culture that is inclusive especially if they value their employees as integral part of their operation.I take your point about technology eliminating jobs but that is technological progress which makes products cheaper and unfortunately you can't live in the past when there's open competition or you'll end up a 3rd world country. What's the alternative? Tax companies higher so they can't grow into innovative industries to employ more or do we go back to doing everything manually to employ masses of people? Then what would be the cost of products? Prohibitive ,basically unaffordable and industries would die.

No the alternative is Tax them at a rate that will allow the USA to rebuild itself, Place equal tariffs on all goods coming into the USA. Ban all US born companies from leaving the US by not allowing them to sell their products here if they leave. Also ban their being sold and moved by a foreign entity. I never wanted cheaper goods at the expense of my neighbors job. The Japanese and others have been selling their goods for much cheaper in the US than in the town they are made for many years, while they double the price of our goods with tariffs. Now our companies are moving to China to do the same. Giving them all the Trickle down tax breaks never slowed this process one bit. Yes I can live in the past if your "OPEN" competition includes using 10 year old kids in near slave conditions, with no safety precautions, no future, no injury compensations, etc. etc.  Stand proud when you buy that stuff.

[Linzz]

24 minutes ago, Chicog said:

There's more at the same link:

 

• Super-low tax rates on rich people also appear to be correlated with unsustainable sugar highs in the economy--brief, enjoyable booms followed by protracted busts. They also appear to be correlated with very high inequality. (For example, see the 1920s and now).

 

Again I am talking about Company tax rates not rich people. I don't want to go there because it's emotional  to socialists  and involves the politics of envy. As far as I know Trump is talking about Company tax at 15% to stimulate growth

 

On average, those in the bottom 40% of the income spectrum end up getting money from the government. Meanwhile, the richest 20% of Americans, by far,pay the most in income taxes, forking over nearly 87% of all the income tax collected by Uncle Sam.Apr 18, 2016

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/45-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax-2016-02-24

[Linzz]

28 minutes ago, Grubster said:

No the alternative is Tax them at a rate that will allow the USA to rebuild itself, Place equal tariffs on all goods coming into the USA. Ban all US born companies from leaving the US by not allowing them to sell their products here if they leave. Also ban their being sold and moved by a foreign entity. I never wanted cheaper goods at the expense of my neighbors job. The Japanese and others have been selling their goods for much cheaper in the US than in the town they are made for many years, while they double the price of our goods with tariffs. Now our companies are moving to China to do the same. Giving them all the Trickle down tax breaks never slowed this process one bit. Yes I can live in the past if your "OPEN" competition includes using 10 year old kids in near slave conditions, with no safety precautions, no future, no injury compensations, etc. etc.  Stand proud when you buy that stuff.

 

Finally!!

You sound like Trumps ideas of a closed economy. It's not"my" OPEN competition, it's a fact of the world. I'm not making recommendations! Nobody's talking about exploitation within their own country and every country is responsible for their own.

[Linzz]

36 minutes ago, Grubster said:

No the alternative is Tax them at a rate that will allow the USA to rebuild itself, Place equal tariffs on all goods coming into the USA. Ban all US born companies from leaving the US by not allowing them to sell their products here if they leave. Also ban their being sold and moved by a foreign entity. I never wanted cheaper goods at the expense of my neighbors job. The Japanese and others have been selling their goods for much cheaper in the US than in the town they are made for many years, while they double the price of our goods with tariffs. Now our companies are moving to China to do the same. Giving them all the Trickle down tax breaks never slowed this process one bit. Yes I can live in the past if your "OPEN" competition includes using 10 year old kids in near slave conditions, with no safety precautions, no future, no injury compensations, etc. etc.  Stand proud when you buy that stuff.

 

NUTS!

Edited September 28, 2016 by Linzz
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