51 minutes ago, Naam said:

people who travel a lot within continental Europe might disagree.

 

Yes, Abdelhamid Abaaoud is one of them.

19 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Yes, Abdelhamid Abaaoud is one of them.

Hasib Hussain, Mohammad Sidique Khan, Germaine Lindsay, Shehzad Tanweer were the ones who were responsible for the London bombings and they never had to cross any borders. 

 

 All of the hijackers who committed the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were foreigners. All of them entered the country legally. 

 

One man crosses an internal border and you want to institute a siege mentality.

1 hour ago, Naam said:

8 hours ago, sandyf said:

Schengen is an EU concept and we are all aware that the EU is the root of all evil.

 

I wouldn't go that far, but it's certainly the root of a lot of hare-brained and damaging schemes such as Schengen.

6 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

I wouldn't go that far, but it's certainly the root of a lot of hare-brained and damaging schemes such as Schengen.

Yeah and guess what, the vast majority of Europeans would disagree with you along with the vast number of tourists that travel throughout Europe every year. Some hare brained scheme. 

Just one example for you from people who actually live there as opposed to someone who has nothing good to say about the EU.

FRANKFURT, GERMANY — 

Many Germans enjoying the weekend open-air market in Frankfurt city center Saturday expressed support for their government’s policy of trying to keep borders open inside the Schengen zone despite security threats. Most, however, stated the need to strengthen controls on the outer borders for those entering the zone.

On 25/03/2017 at 7:36 PM, Grouse said:

Douglas Carswell just quit UKIP. I think they now have zero MPs? Hasn't that nasty Aaron Banks also left UKIP? Hilarious!

Farage the man who has failed 7 times to get into Parliament says that Carswell should now resign as an MP and fight a by-election. I agree and I hope Farage stands against him that should make it 8 times failed to get into Parliament.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-to-visit-scotland-to-set-out-plan-for-britain

34 minutes ago, evadgib said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-to-visit-scotland-to-set-out-plan-for-britain

Set out plan for what's left of Britain ... after Scotland and NI have left?

2 hours ago, pitrevie said:

Farage the man who has failed 7 times to get into Parliament says that Carswell should now resign as an MP and fight a by-election. I agree and I hope Farage stands against him that should make it 8 times failed to get into Parliament.

For sure Farage could win a by-election of UK expats in Pattaya.

3 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Set out plan for what's left of Britain ... after Scotland and NI have left?

 

The way things will shape up is that Brexit will only happen if TM comes back to Parliament with a credible deal, which in order to be that must include retention of the single market. Labour has now already said this.  Tories have a narrow majority, the people did not vote for hard Brexit. MPs in Tory party will feel they can safely reject a bad deal without incurring the wrath of their Brexit voters.

 

So in summary, it will be soft Brexit or no Brexit.  So most arguments about borders, trade, etc will be moot points.

13 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

The way things will shape up is that Brexit will only happen if TM comes back to Parliament with a credible deal, which in order to be that must include retention of the single market. Labour has now already said this.  Tories have a narrow majority, the people did not vote for hard Brexit. MPs in Tory party will feel they can safely reject a bad deal without incurring the wrath of their Brexit voters.

 

So in summary, it will be soft Brexit or no Brexit.  So most arguments about borders, trade, etc will be moot points.

 

PM May has stated many times that restriction of free movement is non-negotiable, and has also stated that we won't be retaining membership of the single market.

1 minute ago, Khun Han said:

 

PM May has stated many times that restriction of free movement is non-negotiable, and has also stated that we won't be retaining membership of the single market.

PM May is not Parliament, or the electorate.

PM May is not Parliament, or the electorate.

Yeah the electorate made its decision June '16. The only ones wanting to define what "leave the EU" meant on the ballot paper are the hard core Europhile losers !


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1 minute ago, shanesox said:

Yeah the electorate made its decision June '16. The only ones wanting to define what "leave the EU" meant on the ballot paper are the hard core Europhile losers !


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Plain wrong.

13 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

PM May is not Parliament, or the electorate.

 

No, she's the leader of the government, which has made it's policy on border controls clear. You, on the other hand, are making a prediction, based on the hope that enough MP's will rebel against the government. My money's on the government winning this.

13 minutes ago, shanesox said:

Yeah the electorate made its decision June '16. The only ones wanting to define what "leave the EU" meant on the ballot paper are the hard core Europhile losers !


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Correct.

15 minutes ago, shanesox said:

Yeah the electorate made its decision June '16. The only ones wanting to define what "leave the EU" meant on the ballot paper are the hard core Europhile losers !


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The electorate was told by many of the principal Brexit leaders and especially by Boris Johnson that leaving the EU did not mean leaving the single market. Although to be fair he has also claimed Britain can get an even better trade deal with Europe after it leaves the EU, dismissing concerns about leaving the single market. So we are no longer members of the club but we can obtain a better trade deal than those who are members, that is what you call an optimist but perhaps others will have more colourful words to describe that stance. 

 

Extensive polling carried out by NatCen, the independent social research agency, and overseen by the elections expert John Curtice suggests 90% of people favour remaining in the single market, regardless of how they voted in the referendum. Funny old world isn't it?

4 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Set out plan for what's left of Britain ... after Scotland and NI have left?

EU after UK has left.

 

All of it!

 

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

PM May is not Parliament, or the electorate.

 

PM May is a lady for turning - NI u-turn anyone?

58 minutes ago, shanesox said:

Yeah the electorate made its decision June '16. The only ones wanting to define what "leave the EU" meant on the ballot paper are the hard core Europhile losers !


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I think you'll find the ultimate losers within your own ranks. 

Just now, AlexRich said:

 

I think you'll find the ultimate losers within your own ranks. 

Stop whining and accept that UK are out and no amount of bleating will stop it.

 

I for one am elated although wouldn't normally feel the need to say so. I'm chuffed to f-f--...

The UK government has handed a Chinese state transport and property company a seven-year deal to run one of the Britain’s biggest rail franchises in a controversial deal that brings together train and track operations.

 

We cant even run our own rail system it seems, roll on Brexit

19 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

The UK government has handed a Chinese state transport and property company a seven-year deal to run one of the Britain’s biggest rail franchises in a controversial deal that brings together train and track operations.

 

We cant even run our own rail system it seems, roll on Brexit

One can always rely upon the Con Party to do the best thing for the country! ?

 

 

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Stop whining and accept that UK are out and no amount of bleating will stop it.

 

I for one am elated although wouldn't normally feel the need to say so. I'm chuffed to f-f--...

Me too. My overseas assets are up 10-15% in Sterling terms.

15 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Me too. My overseas assets are up 10-15% in Sterling terms.

 

If your assets are in US$, they'll be moving ever closer to 10%. Sterling's just a tad short of 1.26 at the mo.

It's all going terribly wrong on the immigration front ... Brexit will go down as the biggest 'foot shooting' exercise since the 'charge of the light brigade' ... lions led by donkeys!

 

"When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!"

 

 

"The broad claims of the referendum campaign are starting to dissolve into the pixelated reality of policy, practicality and compromise. According to a senior government source, a wonderful irony is now manifesting itself around the cabinet table in the contributions of Liam Fox, David Davis and Boris Johnson: “There’s no doubt that Theresa wants to bring down immigration. But the three main Brexiteers are suddenly becoming more and more vocal about the need to keep the numbers sufficiently high for the needs of the economy. You hear Liam saying: ‘We mustn’t do anything that threatens prosperity.’ It’s becoming more and more clear to them what’s at stake.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/27/brexiteers-immigration-promises-unravelling

If you believed some of the posts by certain FMs here, you would think they were financial giants with brains the size of a planet. Most of them are simply legends in their own minds, probably living in a dingy bedsit on a fixed State pension saving up the odd few shekels for a massage. TV is their only way of communicating with the world and trying to prove their imagined  intellectual superiority.

 

The biggest difference between those who supported Brexit and those who supported remaining is that the Brexitiers would have accepted remaining had the vote gone that way and just got on with their lives. The Bremoaners will go on talking down the economy and whining about how the UK is doomed even after we leave and get on with our lives.

 

There is nothing you can do about it, we are leaving and all of your whining will not alter the outcome. The deal will be whatever the negotiation team and the EU agree/disagree and nothing any of us say or do will affect the outcome.

 

This is the result of democracy at work just as every 5 years we have to accept whoever the general public vote into power.....DEMOCRACY, if you don't like it go and live in a dictatorship or an Islamic State.

The winners from Brexit ... no one, the losers ... those that voted for it!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/27/parts-of-uk-that-voted-for-brexit-may-be-hardest-hit-study-finds

3 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

The winners from Brexit ... no one, the losers ... those that voted for it!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/27/parts-of-uk-that-voted-for-brexit-may-be-hardest-hit-study-finds

Four  words . The Guardian.    May be.

3 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Four  words . The Guardian.    May be.

Correction - the think tank Demos did the research, the Guardian just reported it. 

28 minutes ago, Flustered said:

If you believed some of the posts by certain FMs here, you would think they were financial giants with brains the size of a planet. Most of them are simply legends in their own minds, probably living in a dingy bedsit on a fixed State pension saving up the odd few shekels for a massage. TV is their only way of communicating with the world and trying to prove their imagined  intellectual superiority.

 

 

The biggest difference between those who supported Brexit and those who supported remaining is that the Brexitiers would have accepted remaining had the vote gone that way and just got on with their lives. The Bremoaners will go on talking down the economy and whining about how the UK is doomed even after we leave and get on with our lives.

 

 

There is nothing you can do about it, we are leaving and all of your whining will not alter the outcome. The deal will be whatever the negotiation team and the EU agree/disagree and nothing any of us say or do will affect the outcome.

 

 

This is the result of democracy at work just as every 5 years we have to accept whoever the general public vote into power.....DEMOCRACY, if you don't like it go and live in a dictatorship or an Islamic State.

As I have pointed our several times which you chose to ignore, Farage said he would not accept the result as being final if it was 52/48 and Bill Cash another prominent Brexiter stated that he would not accept the result as being final. period. There are more but that debunks your statement.

 

As for your first sentence I take it that is some sort of self description or are you trying to project your own condition onto others? Then of course it is followed with the usual derogatory description of people who voted remain. However I look forward to you posting the links to those who have predicted the UK is doomed. 

 

Further as David Davis the Brexit minister said, nations 'not democracies' if they can't change their mind . Funny the things your fellow Brexiters say that you and others just chose to ignore.