Shock UK exit poll suggests Britain's May fails to win majority

[Grouse]

11 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Of course, the SNP got something that no other party has - a majority. 

Where? The SNP has let the Con Party remain in power. How ironic is that. If they had done a better job on education in particular, they could have been part of a ruling coalition!

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Those older people suffered and fought in WW2, suffered in the great depression, lived with sod all in the way of comforts, had little education compared to now and deserved everything they got in their old age. Young people have no idea of what it's like to have nothing and every day a struggle.

If you want to blame someone, blame politicians that used the people's taxes to bribe their way to power by promising things they should not have been able to give.

Hardly anybody still alive who fought in WW2, let alone suffered in the great depression.

[rwdrwdrwd]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Those older people suffered and fought in WW2, suffered in the great depression, lived with sod all in the way of comforts, had little education compared to now and deserved everything they got in their old age. Young people have no idea of what it's like to have nothing and every day a struggle.

If you want to blame someone, blame politicians that used the people's taxes to bribe their way to power by promising things they should not have been able to give.

 

Baby boomers (by definition) did not fight in world war two or suffer in the great depression. That was their parents and grandparents generation - the ones that managed to keep those benefits intact for their children.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers

Edited June 9, 2017 by rwdrwdrwd

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Those older people suffered and fought in WW2, suffered in the great depression, lived with sod all in the way of comforts, had little education compared to now and deserved everything they got in their old age. Young people have no idea of what it's like to have nothing and every day a struggle.

If you want to blame someone, blame politicians that used the people's taxes to bribe their way to power by promising things they should not have been able to give.

But we aren't talking about that generation. We are talking about the post war baby boomers.

Plenty of young people have nothing and struggle - who the Hell would want to be starting out on life today saddled with debt and very little chance of getting on the housing ladder?

[NanLaew]

14 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

The point I'm trying to make is that its incorrect to accuse the older generation of benefiting from 'freebies'.  They were just lucky enough to live in a short period of time when political parties and companies had to take into account ordinary people.

 

Both political parties and companies became ever braver in re-directing money to the wealthy - resulting in young people placing the blame in the wrong place.

And the old buggers also benefited from the fiscal near-sightedness of the exchequer of successive governments who at the same time as exhorting the voter to 'save for a rainy day', they were pissing it all away in near-term, vote-winning, populist fripperies.

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

Where? The SNP has let the Con Party remain in power. How ironic is that. If they had done a better job on education in particular, they could have been part of a ruling coalition!

Has it been called? The BBC is still predicting a hung parliament? 

 

If SLab had not been actively encouraging people in certain constituencies to tactically vote for the Tories, they may be party number 2 in Scotland. 

[dick dasterdly]

11 minutes ago, baboon said:

'But don't touch MY pension. I'm entitled to that and my cold weather payments...'

Yes, I feel that way regarding my company/state pensions.

 

I get quite bad-tempered when hearing people blaming the older generation for the destruction of company pensions and the like.

 

For god's sake - blame the right people, wealthy companies and politicians that pursued this course!

[vogie]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

Has it been called? The BBC is still predicting a hung parliament? 

 

If SLab had not been actively encouraging people in certain constituencies to tactically vote for the Tories, they may be party number 2 in Scotland. 

It has to be said that the Scots voting for the Tories is quite ironic.

[NanLaew]

17 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Of course, the SNP got something that no other party has - a majority. 

They got a reduced majority.

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Has it been called? The BBC is still predicting a hung parliament? 

 

If SLab had not been actively encouraging people in certain constituencies to tactically vote for the Tories, they may be party number 2 in Scotland. 

The vote was for Westminster not Holyrood! Right now it looks like a Con DUP coalition will govern because SNP lost so many seats to Cons.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Hardly anybody still alive who fought in WW2, let alone suffered in the great depression.

Plenty of 90 year olds around still.

I didn't take the quote I replied to, to be referring to NOW. Twenty years ago plenty of those that lived in the depression.

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

They got a reduced majority.

Scotland - the only country where the norms of winning and losing don't apply. 

 

[Grouse]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

They got a reduced majority.

Where?

[vogie]

Just to it in perceptive, the Tories had a bad night, but more important Labour lost!

[rwdrwdrwd]

8 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Yes, I feel that way regarding my company/state pensions.

 

I get quite bad-tempered when hearing people blaming the older generation for the destruction of company pensions and the like.

 

For god's sake - blame the right people, wealthy companies and politicians that pursued this course!

 

Sorry but I don't consider the electorate blameless. I'm in board with them not having malicious motivations but that doesn't exonerate them from not recognising those motivations in the political candidates they elected.

 

I can put up with it until members of that generation start accusing today's youth of being a "gimme gimme" generation - at that point I can't help but highlight their own privilege and the fact that those privileges went away under their watch - regardless of whether they consciously wanted that to happen.

Edited June 9, 2017 by rwdrwdrwd

[dick dasterdly]

13 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Absolutely.  The Conservatives particularly have slashed taxes on the most wealthy and paid for them with cuts to social programs and the NHS.

Sadly, it not only the torys .  Blair pursued the same policies - which is why it comes as such a suprise to realise that Corbyn's socialist policies have caused such an upset!

[rwdrwdrwd]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Plenty of 90 year olds around still.

I didn't take the quote I replied to, to be referring to NOW. Twenty years ago plenty of those that lived in the depression.

I was directly referring to the current older generation who declare today's youth to be "entitled".

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, baboon said:

But we aren't talking about that generation. We are talking about the post war baby boomers.

Plenty of young people have nothing and struggle - who the Hell would want to be starting out on life today saddled with debt and very little chance of getting on the housing ladder?

Says who? This thread isn't even about pensioners.

 

As for what you say- blame the parents that had children in this world. They are the ones to blame.

[JAG]

Surely Sturgeon will demand a referendum on whether she stays or leaves? 

Several probably...

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, rwdrwdrwd said:

I was directly referring to the current older generation who declare today's youth to be "entitled".

Then you should have said that. I'm not a mind reader.

[Grouse]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

Sadly, it not only the torys .  Blair pursued the same policies - which is why it comes as such a suprise to realise that Corbyn's socialist policies have caused such an upset!

I don't think so. Blair pumped huge sums in to NHS

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

The vote was for Westminster not Holyrood! Right now it looks like a Con DUP coalition will govern because SNP lost so many seats to Cons.

Even I did not believe that 2015 would be repeated, but I don't accept that the SNP is bad at governance, certainly not compared to the Tories. 

 

Of course there are myriad reasons for what we saw, but don't discount the overt appeal that RD and her cohorts made to the more... LOYAL members of society. Their courting the sectarian vote was shameless and constant. 

[ilostmypassword]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Sadly, it not only the torys .  Blair pursued the same policies - which is why it comes as such a suprise to realise that Corbyn's socialist policies have caused such an upset!

You do have a point there. But the tories reduced taxes on the wealthy during a huge financial recession.  If you want to help dig a country out of a financial recession by reducing taxes, you reduce taxes on the people who have a greater likelihood of spending it - not saving it. The Tories did exactly the opposite.

I'm editing this because I agreed that Labour had done the same. If grouse is correct, then at least, and very importantly, in the case of the NHS, this is not true.

Edited June 9, 2017 by ilostmypassword

[citybiker]

The vote was for Westminster not Holyrood! Right now it looks like a Con DUP coalition will govern because SNP lost so many seats to Cons.

Let this also be a lesson for the SNP, refrain from ramming independence down the throats of the Scottish electorate.

Today, Scotland's political map is a staunch wake up call for Nicola, the FM should focus more on improving domestic priorities and getting your own back yard in order than attempting to a EU lapdog.

Interesting times lay ahead...


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[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Grouse said:

I don't think so. Blair pumped huge sums in to NHS

I think it was Brown, but no matter who, it was mostly wasted on administrators and fancy new buildings. I was working in the NHS when that happened and it was a farce. Lots of new management level nurses and the rank and file still exploited and treated like s***. They couldn't even clean the hospitals properly.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, citybiker said:

 

 

Let this also be a lesson for the SNP, refrain from ramming independence down the throats of the Scottish electorate.

Today, Scotland's political map is a staunch wake up call for Nicola, the FM should focus more on improving domestic priorities and getting your own back yard in order than attempting to a EU lapdog.

Interesting times lay ahead...


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Hopefully that will make that dreadful woman shut up.

[rwdrwdrwd]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then you should have said that. I'm not a mind reader.

Edit - It is true that there are plenty of people older than 80 around, in hindsight. I meant those born post war.

Edited June 9, 2017 by rwdrwdrwd

[dick dasterdly]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

I don't think so. Blair pumped huge sums in to NHS

Yes.  For management and admin staff I think?

[pegman]

31 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

The point I'm trying to make is that its incorrect to accuse the older generation of benefiting from 'freebies'.  They were just lucky enough to live in a short period of time when political parties and companies had to take into account ordinary people.

 

Both political parties and companies became ever braver in re-directing money to the wealthy - resulting in young people placing the blame in the wrong place.

We fought for what we got or retained from earlier generations at the ballot box or the picket line. Maybe, just maybe the young people of the U.K. have  just had that light bulb moment.

[vogie]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Hopefully that will make that dreadful woman shut up.

Tonsilitus would not shut that woman up!