Largest train station in Southeast Asia to open in Bangkok

[Crossy]

Bang Sue Grand is a monster, unfortunately, it's also a camel (a horse designed by committee).

 

It's nowhere near finished yet and already the systems chaps are having to make compromises in how to operate it.

 

It will all be ok eventually of course.

[NoshowJones]

3 hours ago, Cadbury said:

Thais seem to love doing things backwards.

They have set the journey prices already so we can reasonably expect that tickets for the HS trains have already been printed and will go on sale when the new terminal opens. That will avoid the rush when the HS trains start operating around 2050.

"Thais seem to love doing things backwards".  Well Thailand is a backward country.

[HHTel]

5 hours ago, rooster59 said:

will become the hub for Thailand’s high speed rail links,

Which has already been lowered to 180 kph (108 mph) to save costs.  Hardly 'high speed'.  The 'Intercity 125' in the UK has been operating for donkey's years and not considered 'High Speed'.

 

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While there is no single standard that applies worldwide, new lines in excess of 250 kilometres per hour (160 miles per hour) and existing lines in excess of 200 kilometres per hour (120 miles per hour) are widely considered to be high-speed

 

[Lancelot01]

3 hours ago, wirat69 said:

Suvarnabhumi in the city!!!

With ample seating and toilets!!

[wvavin]

Huge but no substance!

[scunner]

5 hours ago, Denim said:

Drove past this last week. It really is huge.

 

Wonder what they will do with Hualampong .......... a real landmark. Be a shame to see it go to seed or close.

It being Thailand, then I foresee much opportunity for graft, corruption and shady deals as the land is sold off for development by various relatives property companies.

[Blackheart1916]

5 hours ago, NextStationBangkok said:

It is Chinese investment, finally China will take over for unpaid dept like in other countries who lost their properties to China.

 

Recent one is Malaysia, now spending 80% of its tax revenue is for paying loans.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douglasbulloch/2018/05/31/while-china-is-facing-its-own-debt-crisis-it-is-also-exacerbating-others/#4ddf2ddf3fc3

Also same in Vanautu, Fiji and several other Pacific nations.

[Media1]

When are the new buses scheduled lol

[kickstart]

And when will they build roads to get there without any major traffic jams, Bang Sue not the easiest place to get to by public transport.

Will the new BTS line stop they.  

Morchit bus terminal was built almost 20 yeras ago now,still a pig of a place to get to by bus.will this be the same. 

[Kinnock]

Passed it on the way to Impact today - it is vast! And you can see the columns for a major rail system.  

 

Hope it all goes well - will be a real benefit for normal folk.

[Basil B]

6 hours ago, shaunoro said:

At least it's under construction. Doing better than Bangkok Mall and the F1 track.

They still have to finish it... 

[Jeremy50]

6 hours ago, Timebandit said:

You can't save everything as a museum. Who in the World would be interested in seeing that old utilitarian building?

Built in the neo-renaissance Italian style by a Turin architect at the beginning of the 20th century, I can think of many people who would be interested in seeing it preserved.

 

Railway enthusiasts

Railway station enthusiasts.

Architecture enthusiasts. 

History enthusiasts.

People who are interested in old Bangkok.

People studying turn of the century architecture.

The type of tourists not in the slightest bit interested in sitting on a bar stool all day.

Other interested parties.

School groups.

 

I made my first train journey from Hualampong in 1986, and have probably used it 100 times since then. So I would certainly go back for a look.

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[geriatrickid]

9 hours ago, Denim said:

Drove past this last week. It really is huge.

 

Wonder what they will do with Hualampong .......... a real landmark. Be a shame to see it go to seed or close.

 The site  can be classified as a hazardous waste site requiring billions of baht to remediate. Over the past century, argo has  leaked or been discharged and this included heavy metals, and aromatic hydrocarbons. Add to this  the daily discharge of fuel and oil  from engines and fuel tanks, sewage, and general debris from brake lines and carriages and we have a polluted site. Ideally, it would be cleaned up and redeveloped as much needed green space, but  this is Thailand, so they will probably put high density residential housing with perhaps a school at the location.

[Enoon]

9 hours ago, sanuk711 said:

 or the British one that will go about an amazing  101 miles & is still being talked about after 19 years. (not one sod of toil turned yet......but hey...it wont be long)

 

 

You must be talking about High Speed 2 (planned route total 470 miles) as Britains first HS rail has been in operation for some time:

High Speed 1 - Wikipedia

"Section 1 of the Channel Tunnel Rail Link, opened on 28 September 2003, is a 74-kilometre (46 mi) section of high-speed track from the Channel Tunnel to Fawkham Junction in north Kent with a maximum speed of 300 kilometres per hour (186 mph). Its completion cut the London–Paris journey time by around 21 minutes, to 2 hours 35 minutes".

 

"Section 2 of the project opened on 14 November 2007 and is a 39.4 km (24.5 mi) stretch of track from the newly built Ebbsfleet station in Kent to London St Pancras with a maximum speed of 230 kilometres per hour (143 mph)."

 

 

 

 

[scorecard]

12 hours ago, wirat69 said:

Suvarnabhumi in the city!!!

 

Maybe it will also have 'city check-in' for trains going to the various airports.

 

I used that service many times in Osaka and Tokyo, arrive at the airport and just relax till boarding.

 

Nice.

[Damrongsak]

12 hours ago, Cadbury said:

.. That will avoid the rush when the HS trains start operating around 2050.

Thimking ahead.   The current developer already has a lock on the renovations that will be needed by the time there are trains and tracks.  Meanwhile, they have a 30 year maintenance contract in place.

[flyingtlger]

Now if they can only modernize all the trains like the BTS and MRT....

[Estrada]

Hua Lampong Station will become a Museum with plenty of Steam trains.  For the Nay sayers:  There are many railway enthusiasts that will visit the museum. We have successfully operated the Great Central Railway in the UK for many years and will soon have the railway running steam trains from Leicester to Nottingham. The fare is B750 for the same distance as the SRT charge 2 Baht. Currently Thailand runs one of the cheapest museum pieces as a mainline railway.

[sahibji]

18 hours ago, AGareth2 said:

next they will be getting the trains

and then maybe the track

lol

[sahibji]

please conserve the hualumphong. it is a national heritage

 

[sahibji]

18 hours ago, watcharacters said:

 

 

I commend Thailand for this project.

 

 

I wish the best of success for it's full completion.

full and timely completion.

this makes a lot sense to integrate the train system. really well thought out.

 

[sahibji]

16 hours ago, connda said:

Just guessing, but I imagine it has a parking lot the size of a postage stamp?

that would be a shame if so because they must make it user friendly and parking is an integral part of any transportation system.

[bluesofa]

1 hour ago, Estrada said:

Hua Lampong Station will become a Museum with plenty of Steam trains.  For the Nay sayers:  There are many railway enthusiasts that will visit the museum. We have successfully operated the Great Central Railway in the UK for many years and will soon have the railway running steam trains from Leicester to Nottingham. The fare is B750 for the same distance as the SRT charge 2 Baht. Currently Thailand runs one of the cheapest museum pieces as a mainline railway.

 

If they will soon be running to Leicester (city centre?) does that mean the train bridge on Mowmacre Hill that Leicester City Council demolished is being rebuilt?

 

[Srikcir]

1 hour ago, Estrada said:

Hua Lampong Station will become a Museum with plenty of Steam trains.

Maybe a limited area for a RR museum with most of the area converted into a Lumpini-style park. Maybe run a steam engine around the perimeter for nostalgic sake.

[bontang]

21 hours ago, NextStationBangkok said:

It is Chinese investment, finally China will take over for unpaid dept like in other countries who lost their properties to China.

 

Recent one is Malaysia, now spending 80% of its tax revenue is for paying loans.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douglasbulloch/2018/05/31/while-china-is-facing-its-own-debt-crisis-it-is-also-exacerbating-others/#4ddf2ddf3fc3

Chinese Yeah are spreading their wings they own Hugh chunk of Property round Sydney, Melbourne, Iron Ore, Gold & Coal  Mines in Australia, 40% or more of New Zealand, All of the Islands in the Sth China Sea, Muscling  its way into Indonesia, Malaysia, I guess all of Asia will become Part of China n then  what will Donald Duck do about his trade sanctions lol,

[0815]

On 6/2/2018 at 2:04 PM, Cadbury said:

Thais seem to love doing things backwards.

They have set the journey prices already so we can reasonably expect that tickets for the HS trains have already been printed and will go on sale when the new terminal opens. That will avoid the rush when the HS trains start operating around 2050.

WHEN or IF start operating ?

[damian]

4 platform tracks will remain at Hua Lamphong when the red line electric trains are extened there from Bang Sue in the next phase of the project (not awarded yet) along with an eastern extension (renewal of the existing line) to Hua Mak possibly further. 

 

Whats left of Hua Lamphong would be great as a railway museum site. Regular steam excursions to Kanchanaburi,  Ayutthaya or Hua Hin would be great. 

 

Bang Sue Grand is a fantastic structure and with 24 platforms over 2 floors will cater to the rail growth in Thailand for years to come. There is plenty of undergound parking incorporated, its served by the MRT and has tollway access. The only issue in my mind is that they are giving it to SRT to run. They managed to convince MoT  that they can do it so lets see. The ARL will be taken away from them when the EEC comes on line meaning their ARL staff are going to move to red line. This does not fill me with confidence but anyway.......

[Sydebolle]

On 6/2/2018 at 3:52 PM, VocalNeal said:

Impact is a dead loss. No public transport goes anywhere near it.  Car parking is a nightmare, et al.

Yes, exactly but from a professional view I simply HAD to attend this trade fair. Nobody goes there for "exhibition fun" - there you're right on the money! 

[scorecard]

11 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Maybe a limited area for a RR museum with most of the area converted into a Lumpini-style park. Maybe run a steam engine around the perimeter for nostalgic sake.

And choke the locals all day / every day with foul smoke which causes health problems.

 

Let's move on please...

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, damian said:

4 platform tracks will remain at Hua Lamphong when the red line electric trains are extened there from Bang Sue in the next phase of the project (not awarded yet) along with an eastern extension (renewal of the existing line) to Hua Mak possibly further. 

 

Whats left of Hua Lamphong would be great as a railway museum site. Regular steam excursions to Kanchanaburi,  Ayutthaya or Hua Hin would be great. 

 

Bang Sue Grand is a fantastic structure and with 24 platforms over 2 floors will cater to the rail growth in Thailand for years to come. There is plenty of undergound parking incorporated, its served by the MRT and has tollway access. The only issue in my mind is that they are giving it to SRT to run. They managed to convince MoT  that they can do it so lets see. The ARL will be taken away from them when the EEC comes on line meaning their ARL staff are going to move to red line. This does not fill me with confidence but anyway.......

Just wondering is most / all of the lines will terminate at the new station, or is it planned to be more like a junction with many trains stopping there briefly and then continuing their journeys?