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Australia paper defends Serena Williams cartoon despite outrage

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  • Blacks are not a protected species. The many caricatures of Trump and other white people passes unremarked. He drew her as an ugly black woman having a tantrum. That is exactly what she was.

  • Personally Ihink the cartoon was hilarious and was the caricature of what we saw on the court. Williams was a disgrace to her sport and tried to turn her defeat and tantrums in to a woman thing.

  • She turned and made the whole incident about women eqaulity and sexsime issu and branded the umpire as a lier and a thief, and this is exactly how she was depicted in the cartoon... 

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16 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

I think they would have if Mad was published by a mainstream newspaper and when criticized worldwide by reputable sources defended the racism.  Hard not to notice.

The 'reputable sources' part is debatable.

On 9/12/2018 at 5:53 AM, webfact said:

This despicable cartoon tried and failed to diminish the greatness & grace of @serenawilliams. Racism in any form is unacceptable," civil rights activist Rev. Jesse Jackson tweeted on Monday

What!!?  If this is greatness and grace I would really worry about the young girls who hold her up as a role model. Perhaps he's just referring to her website and not the offending performance?  Why put @serenawilliams instead of her name with appropriate capital letters?

2 hours ago, Thechook said:

Oh I can see the racism now, Mark Knight made her whiter in the cartoon than she really is.

The depiction of Serena Williams was clearly drawn, consciously or unconsciously, from hackneyed and mocking images of African Americans and Africans - deeply offensive and with no place in social and political commentary. - Alex Byrne, Glebe

Knight has plumbed the depths of racism with his cartoon.

It is sad to see so many Australians writing in support of his latest lapse. They demonstrate that we are as racist a nation as we have ever been.

 

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/bitter-attack-proves-dutton-was-never-fit-for-top-job-20180912-p503b1.html

On 9/11/2018 at 5:20 PM, DoctorG said:

Blacks are not a protected species.

The many caricatures of Trump and other white people passes unremarked.

He drew her as an ugly black woman having a tantrum. That is exactly what she was.

For those who care to notice before jumping on the virtue signalling bandwagon, Osaka was sporting a blond dyed ponytail and looked lighter-skinned in the photo I saw.

It's just more proof that the Left hates blacks and other minorities, they treat them like theyre lesser-thans or pets. They certainly don't treat them like equals.

1 hour ago, underlordcthulhu said:

It's just more proof that the Left hates blacks and other minorities, they treat them like theyre lesser-thans or pets. They certainly don't treat them like equals.

  • Protected classes.  If you don't know why go back to grade school.  It believe it is covered in 7th grade. 
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3 hours ago, AboutThaim said:

What!!?  If this is greatness and grace I would really worry about the young girls who hold her up as a role model. Perhaps he's just referring to her website and not the offending performance?  Why put @serenawilliams instead of her name with appropriate capital letters?

When a bitchy diva blows her top it's ooh-aah so graceful. You should read more feminist propaganda to understand. And of course you use @, it creates a link for the internet web crawlers so you can promote traffic to your site. #socialbullshit

22 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

"What EXACT parts of the depiction are racist?" 

Therein may lay the problem, or does it??

 

Some while back Giddyup, I and others asked what was racist about the PHOTOGRAPH (not the cartoon) and you went into a diatribe citing slavery, the civil war, a museum, etc etc, yet all we could see was a PHOTOGRAPH of the worlds best woman tennis player either angry (or elated?) during a tennis match. 

 

I still cannot see what is racist about a photograph of an actual event.

 

Then I googled your suggestion and the most telling depiction I came across was this...……….

 

"Photographer Frank Schreider shows men from Timor island his camera in a 1962 issue. The magazine often ran photos of “uncivilized” native people seemingly fascinated by “civilized” Westerners’ technology".

 

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It was telling IMO because it was an actual event, taken with no malice and something which I have experienced working in west and north Africa...…...yes, things like this actually happen and are part of everyday life.

 

If this is what you are meaning when you and others describe "racism" then this truly is a world gone mad and those that seek to see racism in everyday events are those who need censoring and quite probably counselling.

41 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

National origin or ancestry.

Did you miss this one at grade school? If not, why are you denigrating Australians?

 

Oh well, another day of bowling googlies at an inverted racist.

7 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Therein may lay the problem, or does it??

 

Some while back Giddyup, I and others asked what was racist about the PHOTOGRAPH (not the cartoon) and you went into a diatribe citing slavery, the civil war, a museum, etc etc, yet all we could see was a PHOTOGRAPH of the worlds best woman tennis player either angry (or elated?) during a tennis match. 

 

I still cannot see what is racist about a photograph of an actual event.

 

Then I googled your suggestion and the most telling depiction I came across was this...……….

 

"Photographer Frank Schreider shows men from Timor island his camera in a 1962 issue. The magazine often ran photos of “uncivilized” native people seemingly fascinated by “civilized” Westerners’ technology".

 

It was telling IMO because it was an actual event, taken with no malice and something which I have experienced working in west and north Africa...…...yes, things like this actually happen and are part of everyday life.

 

If this is what you are meaning when you and others describe "racism" then this truly is a world gone mad and those that seek to see racism in everyday events are those who need censoring and quite probably counselling.

I posted it a number of times from a number of reputable Australians but I'll do it again since you don't seem to be able to understand it.

 

The depiction of Serena Williams was clearly drawn, consciously or unconsciously, from hackneyed and mocking images of African Americans and Africans - deeply offensive and with no place in social and political commentary. - Alex Byrne, Glebe

4 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

The depiction of Serena Williams

So it's you who doesn't get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

We (or at least I) were talking about THE PHOTOGRAPH posted, not the cartoon, caricature or depiction, but perhaps reading is not a strong point??

10 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Did you miss this one at grade school? If not, why are you denigrating Australians?

 

Oh well, another day of bowling googlies at an inverted racist.

No one has a problem discussing what Serena did and that in many opinions it was wrong.  (you don't seem to get this)

 

The problem is drawing  Serena Williams from hackneyed and mocking images of African Americans and Africans - deeply offensive and with no place in social and political commentary. - Alex Byrne, Glebe

 

No problem saying Australia is in error for allowing such behavior.  No problem saying what Serena did was in error. 

 

2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

I posted it a number of times from a number of reputable Australians but I'll do it again since you don't seem to be able to understand it.

 

The depiction of Serena Williams was clearly drawn, consciously or unconsciously, from hackneyed and mocking images of African Americans and Africans - deeply offensive and with no place in social and political commentary. - Alex Byrne, Glebe

 

BUT... what of the massive nose depicted on the Portuguese Umpire?.... is that also racist against Caucasians?

 

Afterall.... the depiction of Carlos Ramos was clearly drawn, consciously or unconsciously, from hackneyed and mocking images of Caucasians who have big pointy noses. 

 

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16 minutes ago, xylophone said:

 

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Hey bring a black man with a cool gadget to me and I'll be fascinated too. The fella in the pic looks like "nah that <deleted> ain't gonna work", though. Somewhat backed by the other guys "Bloody trinket won't work, typical, just when I want to show off".

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

I posted it a number of times from a number of reputable Australians but I'll do it again since you don't seem to be able to understand it.

 

The depiction of Serena Williams was clearly drawn, consciously or unconsciously, from hackneyed and mocking images of African Americans and Africans - deeply offensive and with no place in social and political commentary. - Alex Byrne, Glebe

We don't want quotes of opinions of others, we want your rationale, in your words.

 

Three questions remain unanswered by you.

 

1. Why do you think that the cartoon is racist? In your words, no quotes please.

 

2. Why do you think that the photo is racist? In your words, no quotes please.

 

3. Why have you misspelt your forum name? Surely, it should be Marcusaurelius.

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

BUT... what of the massive nose depicted on the Portuguese Umpire?.... is that also racist against Caucasians?

You can't be racist against caucasians, it's a reserved occupation.

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

We don't want quotes of opinions of others, we want your rationale, in your words.

 

Three questions remain unanswered by you.

 

1. Why do you think that the cartoon is racist? In your words, no quotes please.

 

2. Why do you think that the photo is racist? In your words, no quotes please.

 

3. Why have you misspelt your forum name? Surely, it should be Marcusaurelius.

Sorry.  The question has been asked and answered.  You are bating/trolling. 

5 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

No one has a problem discussing what Serena did and that in many opinions it was wrong.  (you don't seem to get this)

The problem is drawing  Serena Williams from hackneyed and mocking images of African Americans and Africans - deeply offensive and with no place in social and political commentary. - Alex Byrne, Glebe

That is the nature of caricature drawings .

Over empahise of features 

2 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

You can't be racist against caucasians, it's a reserved occupation.

Caucasians are not a protected minority.  Grade 7 civics class Mrs Bergman.

Just now, DrTuner said:

You can't be racist against caucasians, it's a reserved occupation.

You can be racist against Portugeezers. Some of the cartoons I've seen of Christiano Ronaldo...…..proper racist.

Just now, Spidey said:

You can be racist against Portugeezers. Some of the cartoons I've seen of Christiano Ronaldo...…..proper racist.

Well the first statue surely was a mighty effort.

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

Caucasians are not a protected minority.  Grade 7 civics class Mrs Bergman.

Should be, we're a minority in the world. One that looks like going extinct by self inflicted harm.

Just now, marcusarelus said:

Sorry.  The question has been asked and answered.  You are bating/trolling. 

And you're not? 555

 

Definitely haven't seen any answers to (2) and (3).

8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

That is the nature of caricature drawings .

Over empahise of features 

There's little doubt that Knight grossly exaggerated the nose and lips of Williams for the same reason he exaggerates the physical characteristics of most of his cartoons' subjects: They are caricatures, and, as such, he targets differences and explodes them. But he must have been aware of, and deliberately ignored, the historical echoes of his cartoon -- the exaggerated lips and nose reminiscent of racist depictions of black people in the United States during Jim Crow.

 

But if you still think this was just an image of yet another rich, entitled tennis player behaving badly then you have to ask yourself if you’d be happy if Serena was, say, Irish. Would you then accept her depicted as drunk and too stupid to know which end of the racquet to hold? Or if she were Jewish and shown with a large hook nose and greedily asking when she’d get her prize money? Because those disgraceful racist stereotypes are just as offensive as Williams’ ape-like appearance in the Knight cartoon.

 

if you can see nothing wrong with this cartoon then you are casually dismissing centuries of history and oppression. We should be better than that.

9 minutes ago, Spidey said:

And you're not? 555

 

Definitely haven't seen any answers to (2) and (3).

How could you miss those huge photos I posted?  This is it Spidey.  No more.  The questions about why the photo and cartoon are racist have been answered 20 times each.  Look them up if you need them answered again.  Bye

7 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

if you can see nothing wrong with this cartoon then you are casually dismissing centuries of history and oppression. We should be better than that.

Indeed, I instantly demand a full and lenghty apology from the Mongolian people for the attrocities committed by Ghengis. I hereby submit my evidence, the DNA of the oppressed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_from_Genghis_Khan

2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

There's little doubt that Knight grossly exaggerated the nose and lips of Williams for the same reason he exaggerates the physical characteristics of most of his cartoons' subjects: They are caricatures, and, as such, he targets differences and explodes them.

Because that's what a caricature is!

 

He exaggerated her lips and nose because they are prominent features of Serena Williams, not because they are prominent features of all black people. Do you think that all black people have big lips and flat noses? Rather racist, don't you think?

 

If Serena were Irish and actually was too drunk and too stupid to know which end of a racket to hold, sure I'd be happy for her to be depicted as such.

 

Basically, if a cartoon exaggerates, unfairly a racial stereotype, it's racist. If it's a fair and accurate exaggeration of an individual's acts/ features (caricature), it's not racist. Quotation taken from "Cartoons 101".

 

Thanks for quoting Jim Who? again.

3 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

There's little doubt that Knight grossly exaggerated the nose and lips of Williams for the same reason he exaggerates the physical characteristics of most of his cartoons' subjects: They are caricatures, and, as such, he targets differences and explodes them. But he must have been aware of, and deliberately ignored, the historical echoes of his cartoon -- the exaggerated lips and nose reminiscent of racist depictions of black people in the United States during Jim Crow.

But if you still think this was just an image of yet another rich, entitled tennis player behaving badly then you have to ask yourself if you’d be happy if Serena was, say, Irish. Would you then accept her depicted as drunk and too stupid to know which end of the racquet to hold? Or if she were Jewish and shown with a large hook nose and greedily asking when she’d get her prize money? Because those disgraceful racist stereotypes are just as offensive as Williams’ ape-like appearance in the Knight cartoon.

if you can see nothing wrong with this cartoon then you are casually dismissing centuries of history and oppression. We should be better than that.

Although the depicture of the Serena caricature doesnt show any derogatory racial stereotype , it is just showing one persons actions on a tennis court .

   Had She been a drunk Irishman , the cartoon would have portrayed her as being a drunk Irishman.

Should cartoonists treat everyone the same ?

Or should they treat people differently ?

Should only Caucasians feature in their cartoons and everyone else being "off-limits"?

   Serena is one of the most successful , highly paid sportswoman in her sport .

I really dont think that she can hide behind the "centuries of oppression" , when she is caricatured in a cartoon , after she misbehaves on court .

   This cartoon was solely about her and it wasnt about all Black people in general and this cartoon has nothing to do with some other cartoons from 100 years ago

9 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

How could you miss those huge photos I posted?  This is it Spidey.  No more.  The questions about why the photo and cartoon are racist have been answered 20 times each.  Look them up if you need them answered again.  Bye

And question 3?

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