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Australia paper defends Serena Williams cartoon despite outrage

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Just now, marcusarelus said:

To Black people it is recent history see the Jim Crow museum of of racist memorabilia at Ferris State university.  This is still a big problem in America where Confederate Generals statues still are on State Capitol lawns.   They are still fighting the Civil war in the South.  I know you all don't realize this but it's true.  

All of which I agree with (although many wouldn't). However it has zero relevance to whether an amusing and accurate caricature of a black celebrity is racist or not.

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1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Why would ALL American Black people get offended by a caricature of Serena Williams ?

Do all White people get offended by any Caricature of a White person ?

Exactly. On the same page as the Williams caricature, was an equally unflattering caricature of Trump and I don't here his supporters howling with indignation.

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

What are the things that you feel that Australians do not know about Blacks ?

You are beginning to sound rather racist , suggesting that Blacks are different to other people ,

I just see people as being people and I dont divide them up by their ethnicity or skin colour .

    I do feel uncomfortable even asking you this question , but what do you think that Australians need to be told about Black people , things that they dont know, what they need to know ?

Stop being offensive to blacks.  The cartoon was offensive.  Daughter of MLK " So unfortunate that this is your response; and without consideration for the painful historical context of such imagery and how it can support biases and racism today. Why wouldn’t a human being care about that?"  

 

The cartoonist didn't even know about the American Jim Crow cartoons saying, " no knowledge of those cartoons or that period” and he thought the said people were “making stuff up”.

 

Someone should provide a bit of education to these fellows. 

Just now, Spidey said:

All of which I agree with (although many wouldn't). However it has zero relevance to whether an amusing and accurate caricature of a black celebrity is racist or not.

I don't think you can reasonably put that argument, any more than the Usofans can reasonably put the opposite. Whether the cartoon is 'racist' or not is entirely subjective and therefore depends entirely on a person's psychology, social background, general attitudes and what side of bed they got out of this morning. Which makes arguing over it rather pointless.

 

What is not pointless is different people LEARNING from this thread and being less quick to jump to extreme judgments on other people of whom they know little.

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Exactly. On the same page as the Williams caricature, was an equally unflattering caricature of Trump and I don't here his supporters howling with indignation.

To add and Sanemax wrote, " Why would ALL American Black people get offended by a caricature of Serena Williams ?"

 

It is not your fault but you all don't have a clue.  All black Americans are upset and angry about it.  Not the temper tantrum as that is being debated but the racist cartoon.  Australia is alone with a few KKK members on not finding the cartoon racist. 

3 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

I don't think you can reasonably put that argument, any more than the Usofans can reasonably put the opposite. Whether the cartoon is 'racist' or not is entirely subjective and therefore depends entirely on a person's psychology, social background, general attitudes and what side of bed they got out of this morning. Which makes arguing over it rather pointless.

 

What is not pointless is different people LEARNING from this thread and being less quick to jump to extreme judgments on other people of whom they know little.

Good point as the cartoonist had no historical knowledge of how much his drawing would remind people of an era in American history where blacks were regularly lynched by hooded men burning crosses and this takes more than a few years to forget.

12 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

To Black people it is recent history see the Jim Crow museum of of racist memorabilia at Ferris State university.  This is still a big problem in America where Confederate Generals statues still are on State Capitol lawns.   They are still fighting the Civil war in the South.  I know you all don't realize this but it's true.  

The American civil war ended a long time ago , although there may still be racial prejudice in the deep south , that reason cannot be used as an excuse to protect U.S. sportswomen from being ridiculed by way of caricatures in newspapers cartoons in Australia, when they behave in a way that warrants a cartoon

Just now, mfd101 said:

Whether the cartoon is 'racist' or not is entirely subjective and therefore depends entirely on a person's psychology, social background, general attitudes and what side of bed they got out of this morning.

Not so. Whether or not it's racist is a fact. Would a court of law find it racist?

What element of the cartoon is racist? Did it portray her as a monkey? Does it portray her as a primitive with a bone through her nose. Or does it accurately characterise Serena Williams as she appeared on my television?

5 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

To add and Sanemax wrote, " Why would ALL American Black people get offended by a caricature of Serena Williams ?"

 

It is not your fault but you all don't have a clue.  All black Americans are upset and angry about it.  Not the temper tantrum as that is being debated but the racist cartoon.  Australia is alone with a few KKK members on not finding the cartoon racist. 

You are stating that anyone who doesnt find this cartoon to be offensive , is a member of the KKK?

   I do not find this cartoon to be offensive and you are suggesting that I am a member of the KKK?

That is an offensive statement to make , much more offensive than a cartoon .

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

To add and Sanemax wrote, " Why would ALL American Black people get offended by a caricature of Serena Williams ?"

 

It is not your fault but you all don't have a clue.  All black Americans are upset and angry about it.  Not the temper tantrum as that is being debated but the racist cartoon.  Australia is alone with a few KKK members on not finding the cartoon racist. 

Australia is not alone. The majority of people in this world see the cartoon as accurate and mildly amusing and not racist. I am British. Most people would regard me as a snowflake libertarian. I have been a Guardian reader (which you quoted to support your argument) all my adult life. I have had friends from the black community in the UK and still have friends from the UK South Asian community. I am married to a Thai. I don't have a racist bone in my body.

 

I am not racist. The cartoon is not racist. And so say all of my friends.

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

You are stating that anyone who doesnt find this cartoon to be offensive , is a member of the KKK?

   I do not find this cartoon to be offensive and you are suggesting that I am a member of the KKK?

That is an offensive statement to make , much more offensive than a cartoon .

No of course not.  I am saying that Aussies don't know anything about what offends American Black people.

Just now, Spidey said:

Australia is not alone. The majority of people in this world see the cartoon as accurate and mildly amusing and not racist. I am British. Most people would regard me as a snowflake libertarian. I have been a Guardian reader (which you quoted to support your argument) all my adult life. I have had friends from the black community in the UK and still have friends from the UK South Asian community. I am married to a Thai. I don't have a racist bone in my body.

 

I am not racist. The cartoon is not racist. And so say all of my friends.

Except the Guardian which says globally people think the cartoon is racist.  "News Corp defiant after 'racist' Serena Williams cartoon sparks global furore"    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/12/news-corp-defiant-after-racist-serena-williams-cartoon-sparks-global-furore

 

See "sparks global furor!  You brought up the Guardian. 

15 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

To add and Sanemax wrote, " Why would ALL American Black people get offended by a caricature of Serena Williams ?"

 

It is not your fault but you all don't have a clue.  All black Americans are upset and angry about it.  Not the temper tantrum as that is being debated but the racist cartoon.  Australia is alone with a few KKK members on not finding the cartoon racist. 

You do love to generalise, All blacks are offended, you have interviewed them all I suppose? What a load of twaddle.

6 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

No of course not.  I am saying that Aussies don't know anything about what offends American Black people.

I don't know where you get off as the unappointed spokesman for the entire black race in the US, and also an expert on what Aussies know.

Just now, marcusarelus said:

Except the Guardian which says globally people think the cartoon is racist.  "News Corp defiant after 'racist' Serena Williams cartoon sparks global furore"    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/12/news-corp-defiant-after-racist-serena-williams-cartoon-sparks-global-furore

 

See "sparks global furor!  You brought up the Guardian. 

No, you brought up the Guardian, several times. The Guardian and that silly, literally inept bitch, J.K. Rowling. These are the only two strings to your bow. Got nothing better?

5 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Except the Guardian which says globally people think the cartoon is racist.  "News Corp defiant after 'racist' Serena Williams cartoon sparks global furore"    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/12/news-corp-defiant-after-racist-serena-williams-cartoon-sparks-global-furore

 

See "sparks global furor!  You brought up the Guardian. 

Yawn, you are repeating yourself, again and again and again, and again....................

Just now, Spidey said:

No, you brought up the Guardian, several times. The Guardian and that silly, literally inept bitch, J.K. Rowling. These are the only two strings to your bow. Got nothing better?

No, that's it, he's done.

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

No, you brought up the Guardian, several times. The Guardian and that silly, literally inept bitch, J.K. Rowling. These are the only two strings to your bow. Got nothing better?

Tbh, i brought up the Guardian first, but i was clearly pointing out the readers comments, whose great majority don't see any racism in the cartoon, in fact in complete disagreement with the tone of the article.

1 hour ago, marcusarelus said:

I am not a Canadian and like I said the term is still used by the US government and me. 

 

But my point was that I know as much about Eskimos as Australians know about Blacks and that's not much. 

You appear to be hyper-sensitive to alleged racism against a black American, and utterly dismissive of  actual racism towards Canada's First Nations people.

 

Social Justice Warriors -- rigidly enforcing double standards wherever they go.

10 minutes ago, giddyup said:

You do love to generalise, All blacks are offended, you have interviewed them all I suppose? What a load of twaddle.

It’s been a huge response,” said Today show host Georgie Gardner. “Huge reaction which I think, in itself, is fascinating. The vitriol and the hatred that has been unfurled as a result.

 

Honestly, my mouth dropped open, because I do cover a lot of black news and a lot of it is hard to take, but when I saw this — a blatant caricature of one of the most celebrated athletes in the world — it was offensive, shocking and completely uncalled for,” she said.

 

Members of the African communities in Australia and African-Americans in the US have condemned a cartoon of Serena Williams by Mark Knight as "racist" and "sexist".

 

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What the Herald Sun’s Serena Williams cartoon reveals about Australia’s racial history

 

It just goes on and on.  That you don't see it amazes me. 

 

34 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Stop being offensive to blacks.  The cartoon was offensive.  Daughter of MLK " So unfortunate that this is your response; and without consideration for the painful historical context of such imagery and how it can support biases and racism today. Why wouldn’t a human being care about that?" 

The cartoonist didn't even know about the American Jim Crow cartoons saying, " no knowledge of those cartoons or that period” and he thought the said people were “making stuff up”.

Someone should provide a bit of education to these fellows. 

Should Black Americans be exempt from being caricatures  in cartoons the World over ?

 

Just now, RickBradford said:

You appear to be hyper-sensitive to alleged racism against a black American, and utterly dismissive of  actual racism towards Canada's First Nations people.

 

Social Justice Warriors -- rigidly enforcing double standards wherever they go.

If this thread was about Canada's first nations people I would comment.

On 9/12/2018 at 3:41 PM, giddyup said:

As Americans do for Billy the Kid and Jesse James. Your argument/point is as weak as a kitten.

No it isnt just look at the state of the USA

Just now, sanemax said:

Should Black Americans be exempt from being caricatures  in cartoons the World over ?

 

I don't care.  If you want to make racist characterizations of American black people in cartoons expect to be called a racist. 

Just now, marcusarelus said:

If this thread was about Canada's first nations people I would comment.

You demonstrate once again that your "anti-racism" is purely of the virtue signalling Manufactured Outrage type.

Just now, marcusarelus said:

I don't care.  If you want to make racist characterizations of American black people in cartoons expect to be called a racist. 

It wasn't a racist characterisation and you have still given no reason as to why it should be considered as racist.

17 minutes ago, giddyup said:

I don't know where you get off as the unappointed spokesman for the entire black race in the US, and also an expert on what Aussies know.

For American blacks I read the media and for the Aussies I read the cartoonist interview and his publisher.  My guess is that America will not let it drop and the cartoonist and publisher will both be fired.  Just a guess. 

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

It wasn't a racist characterisation and you have still given no reason as to why it should be considered as racist.

Look at the Ferris State museum of racist memorabilia and you will see why it is racist.  I won't post racist pictures for you. 

6 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

You demonstrate once again that your "anti-racism" is purely of the virtue signalling Manufactured Outrage type.

No, it is just about an Australian cartoon of a black tennis player. 

She will likely get a 10 million dollar NIKE ad contract out of it - wait a couple weeks

 

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