Unoffical Spurs Thread

[mrbojangles]

1 hour ago, carmine said:

Haven't you not noticed they like to use the 11th richest club argument when it suits then throw in the stadium debt when it suits!!

 

Truth is, they don't actually know which one gives defense of their sugar daddy syndrome more credibility????

No Carms. Reminding you of your wealthy status is only used when you post about our wealth. I don't think I have ever mentioned it unless responding to the Spurs lot hypocritical posts.

 

The truth is, you will always condemn those with more money than you as being unfair but conveniently forget that you are richer than the majority of other football clubs also. It's like you own a BMW 5 Series and condemn those who drive a 7 Series but don't care that  you are richer than the majority of the rest who only own Skoda's. Can you not see the hypocrisy?

[carmine]

10 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

No Carms. Reminding you of your wealthy status is only used when you post about our wealth. I don't think I have ever mentioned it unless responding to the Spurs lot hypocritical posts.

 

The truth is, you will always condemn those with more money than you as being unfair but conveniently forget that you are richer than the majority of other football clubs also. It's like you own a BMW 5 Series and condemn those who drive a 7 Series but don't care that  you are richer than the majority of the rest who only own Skoda's. Can you not see the hypocrisy?

Theres no comparison between your wealth and ours.  Yours is endless, a point well made by your owners.  

 

Do you believe your club is run with the parameters of financial accountability? What i find deeply disturbing is that the head of UEFA announced they are in possession of "concrete evidence" that City are in breach of FFP, yes, their words, "concrete evidence" yet six weeks later there has been no sanctions.  Whats that all about?  Theres no ifs or buts about concrete evidence is there!!!

Edited January 11, 2019 by carmine

[mrbojangles]

1 minute ago, carmine said:

Theres no comparison between your wealth and ours.  Yours is endless, a point well made by your owners.

A myth. Otherwise we'd be buying every single top player in the world and smashing transfer records. How many transfer records have we broke again? Non. Those of us who follow City know that yes our owner is mind bogglingly rich but he ALWAYS said he would only initially invest (speeded up by FFP coming in) and that the Club would HAVE to be self sufficient, which we now are. So he invested heavily to give the kick start that was much needed after decades or having nothing and now we have to be self sufficient.

 

With regards the "concrete evidence". I'm happy to wait for the outcome of the inquiry. IF we have broken any rules, let's see what they are and if ultimately they kick us out of the CL then so be it. I just want to wait for the full facts.

 

 

[carmine]

21 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

A myth. Otherwise we'd be buying every single top player in the world and smashing transfer records. How many transfer records have we broke again? Non. Those of us who follow City know that yes our owner is mind bogglingly rich but he ALWAYS said he would only initially invest (speeded up by FFP coming in) and that the Club would HAVE to be self sufficient, which we now are. So he invested heavily to give the kick start that was much needed after decades or having nothing and now we have to be self sufficient.

 

With regards the "concrete evidence". I'm happy to wait for the outcome of the inquiry. IF we have broken any rules, let's see what they are and if ultimately they kick us out of the CL then so be it. I just want to wait for the full facts.

 

 

No you haven't bought every top player in the world but you might just want to take a look at your squad again and check out the midfield selection!!!!  No wonder walker looks like he's half decent, i'm surprised you need fullbacks.  its the strongest squad midfield i've ever seen assembled at the cost must have been astronomical.

 

And announcement that theres concrete evidence means someones going down.  if it doesn't happen then theres something seriously and criminally wrong in my book.  Do you believe everyone has their price?

[mrbojangles]

20 minutes ago, carmine said:

No you haven't bought every top player in the world but you might just want to take a look at your squad again and check out the midfield selection!!!!  No wonder walker looks like he's half decent, i'm surprised you need fullbacks.  its the strongest squad midfield i've ever seen assembled at the cost must have been astronomical.

 

I agree that we have a fantastic midfield. I absolutely love seeing them move the ball around. This is approx. what we paid for them:-

 

Gundogan £24m

KdB £55m

Delph £10m

Bernado Silva £45m

David Silva £26

Foden £0

Fernandinho £36m

Zinchenko £2m

 

So about £198m. Yeah a couple of expensive one's but in the main not that astronomical. I'd also argue that almost every single one of them is or has been worth more than what we paid. We'd probably get about £150m for KdB alone. Obviously Fernandinho and David Silva are aging but our philosophy has never been to buy these players to make money out of selling them but to get their worth out of them on the park. And I sure do think we've had more than our monies worth out of Silva and Fernandinho.

[Bredbury Blue]

8 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

Yeah the 11th and NO breaking of financial rules... all done within the relevant boundaries.. just thought i'de point in.   SERIOUS question if you get barred from the c l . Will you still be able to keep the same players ..

SERIOUS answer It makes  sense to see if City are found guilty of any wrong doing  before discussing the consequences 

[Bredbury Blue]

4 hours ago, carmine said:

Perhaps someone with a little more weight on here could inform Bredbury Bore that he had ample opportunity to cease with the baiting and now his "input" is neither read or wanted for the most part.  Take your baiting and trolling elsewhere please.

Huh?

 

I added my comments to those i think started by MrBj about the very obvious anomaly of Spurs playing their home games at the neutral venue of Wembley  and you consider that's  baiting and trolling?

 

If you want to over to see what baiting abd trolling is get over to the City thread for Alfies ongoing campaign to discredit City's academy and chipbutty on the city crowds. And do we moan about it? Nah, we just accept it as part of the fun of the football thread.

 

Im convinced that only on this thread  does the cry go up repeatedly of trolling! baiting! boo hoo!!!

 

Southern softies ????

 

[Bredbury Blue]

4 hours ago, RonniePickering22 said:

 

Apparently we're the 11th richest club in Euroe will a billion quid of debt.

 

You couldn't make it up!

 

1. According to *Deloitte, Spurs are the 11th richest club in the World (not Europe) with 2016/17 Revenue (€m) 355.6 – up from 279.7 in 2015/16 (*Published eight months after the end of the 2016/17 season).

 

2. Don’t believe we have ever discussed Spurs debt (or Spurs debt being 1bn) on this forum, but according to a June 2018 Guardian report by David Conn your debt is “Net debt Stated as a positive, £15m more cash in the bank than the bank loans of £185m”. Think you are getting the reported cost of your stadium build at 1bn mixed up with debt – they’re different Ronnie.

 

 

So you have plenty of wealth. You management prefers not to use that wealth to strengthen the team/squad to increase your chances of winning a trophy unlike at Chelsea, Liverpool, City and ManU (some of think it's because your money is tied up in the stadium build), but you lot, particularly Carmine, choose to complain that it is unfair for the 4 of us – actually he only complains about City, never the others – to spend our wealth on players.

 

PS. City is not the wealthiest club in the world or even in England, but Carmine seems to think we are (hey Carmine, it’s ManU)

 

[carmine]

57 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

 

I agree that we have a fantastic midfield. I absolutely love seeing them move the ball around. This is approx. what we paid for them:-

 

Gundogan £24m

KdB £55m

Delph £10m

Bernado Silva £45m

David Silva £26

Foden £0

Fernandinho £36m

Zinchenko £2m

 

So about £198m. Yeah a couple of expensive one's but in the main not that astronomical. I'd also argue that almost every single one of them is or has been worth more than what we paid. We'd probably get about £150m for KdB alone. Obviously Fernandinho and David Silva are aging but our philosophy has never been to buy these players to make money out of selling them but to get their worth out of them on the park. And I sure do think we've had more than our monies worth out of Silva and Fernandinho.

I believe the team we fielded against you last season cost a combined 89m.  Did you forget Mahrez? 60m. Anyway, there are some very good buys in there especially in the current market rates.

 

The cost is relative, especially if you compare it to what PSG and Barcelona have been paying out for a single player, this is agree.  

[champers]

1 hour ago, mrbojangles said:

 

I agree that we have a fantastic midfield. I absolutely love seeing them move the ball around. This is approx. what we paid for them:-

 

Gundogan £24m

KdB £55m

Delph £10m

Bernado Silva £45m

David Silva £26

Foden £0

Fernandinho £36m

Zinchenko £2m

 

So about £198m. Yeah a couple of expensive one's but in the main not that astronomical. I'd also argue that almost every single one of them is or has been worth more than what we paid. We'd probably get about £150m for KdB alone. Obviously Fernandinho and David Silva are aging but our philosophy has never been to buy these players to make money out of selling them but to get their worth out of them on the park. And I sure do think we've had more than our monies worth out of Silva and Fernandinho.

£198 million is £27 million less than Spurs's valuation of Cristian Ericsson.

[smokie36]

11th richest club in the world and we can't afford to replace Dembele.

 

I wonder how sad the 12th placed club must be.

[smokie36]

2 minutes ago, champers said:

£198 million is £27 million less than Spurs's valuation of Cristian Ericsson.

 

£350m if Utd want him mind. 

[balo]

There has been some talk in international media about young Norwegian midfielder Sander Berge could be replacing Dembele. Spurs apparently have been following him for some time. 

 

He is predicted to become one of Europe's top defensive midfielders.  Currently at Genk in Belgium.  Other clubs mentioned are Roma , Valencia and Juventus . 

 

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/01/03/tottenham-interest-in-137m-sander-berge-at-risk-after-genk-state/

 

[Bredbury Blue]

5 hours ago, carmine said:

I believe the team we fielded against you last season cost a combined 89m.  Did you forget Mahrez? 60m. Anyway, there are some very good buys in there especially in the current market rates.

 

The cost is relative, especially if you compare it to what PSG and Barcelona have been paying out for a single player, this is agree.  

Seriously  your knowledge  of football  is in doubt. You were talking about Citys midfield weren't you. Mahrez (plus Sane and Sterling) doesn't play in City's  midfield  - he's  a wide forward, a winger.

Edited January 11, 2019 by Bredbury Blue

[carmine]

17 hours ago, champers said:

£198 million is £27 million less than Spurs's valuation of Cristian Ericsson.

And if our valuation was 250m then it would be even less i suppose.  Your point being?

 

Or should we value Eriksen at 15m?

Edited January 12, 2019 by carmine

[carmine]

18 hours ago, carmine said:

I believe the team we fielded against you last season cost a combined 89m.  Did you forget Mahrez? 60m. Anyway, there are some very good buys in there especially in the current market rates.

 

The cost is relative, especially if you compare it to what PSG and Barcelona have been paying out for a single player, this is agree.  

So by my reckoning, that would be 258m.   

[carmine]

12 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said:

Seriously  your knowledge  of football  is in doubt. You were talking about Citys midfield weren't you. Mahrez (plus Sane and Sterling) doesn't play in City's  midfield  - he's  a wide forward, a winger.

Having been tipped the nod to this post i took a look and i see that in another attempt to bait me or try make me look stupid you have yet again made a fool of yourself. You have neither the wit of the brains for this stuff.  I won't report you because i'm not a grass but i am getting very sick of your persistent baiting.

 

So, just so you know in future.....A winger is a wide midfielder!!!  Now, do yourself a favor, go look it up on Wiki and then perhaps remove your reply or the whole forum will be laughing at yet more of your twaddle.  

[champers]

1 hour ago, carmine said:

And if our valuation was 250m then it would be even less i suppose.  Your point being?

 

Or should we value Eriksen at 15m?

My point is that price inflation is raging out of control. I wish my meagre assets went up in value like a footballer does. If you knocked £100 million off Ericsson's valuation I reckon that would be a not unreasonable figure in today's market. But £225 million. Really?

Edited January 12, 2019 by champers

[carmine]

3 minutes ago, champers said:

My point is that price inflation is raging out of control. I wish my meagre assets went up in value like a footballer does. If you knocked £100 million off Ericsson's valuation I reckon that would be a not unreasonable figure in today's market. But £225 million. Really?

i know it's absurd.  Sadly, the powers that be don't seem to want to do anything about it.

 

 

[champers]

4 minutes ago, carmine said:

i know it's absurd.  Sadly, the powers that be don't seem to want to do anything about it.

 

 

Isn't Daniel Levy one of "the powers that be"?

[carmine]

1 minute ago, champers said:

Isn't Daniel Levy one of "the powers that be"?

No he's not. The powers that be are FIFA and UEFA.

[champers]

5 minutes ago, carmine said:

No he's not. The powers that be are FIFA and UEFA.

Well Levy put the price on Ericsson; no-one else. Don't you think that owners and CEOs have a burden of responsibility? Levy has voting rights in the EPL, so I still say he is one of the powers that be. His influence goes beyond the English game because a foreign club has expressed interest in signing Ericsson.

[carmine]

14 minutes ago, champers said:

Well Levy put the price on Ericsson; no-one else. Don't you think that owners and CEOs have a burden of responsibility? Levy has voting rights in the EPL, so I still say he is one of the powers that be. His influence goes beyond the English game because a foreign club has expressed interest in signing Ericsson.

Theres a much bigger picture here than the actions of a solitary chairman!  Anyway, if any player, including Eriksen, wants a move that badly they force a move because they know theres no pint in having a player that doesn't want to play for you.  But thats a separate issue.

 

Transfer fees, players salaries, revenue generation within the sport...you can put it all down to Daniel Levy if you like but i would contest its more of a global situation.????

Edited January 12, 2019 by carmine

[Bredbury Blue]

1 hour ago, carmine said:

Having been tipped the nod to this post i took a look and i see that in another attempt to bait me or try make me look stupid you have yet again made a fool of yourself. You have neither the wit of the brains for this stuff.  I won't report you because i'm not a grass but i am getting very sick of your persistent baiting.

 

So, just so you know in future.....A winger is a wide midfielder!!!  Now, do yourself a favor, go look it up on Wiki and then perhaps remove your reply or the whole forum will be laughing at yet more of your twaddle.  

You give  your  opinion  mahrez is a midfielder.

I give my opinion  he isn't  he's  a wide forward  or winger.

You consider that's  trolling. But you wont report  me.

????

[carmine]

2 hours ago, carmine said:

Having been tipped the nod to this post i took a look and i see that in another attempt to bait me or try make me look stupid you have yet again made a fool of yourself. You have neither the wit of the brains for this stuff.  I won't report you because i'm not a grass but i am getting very sick of your persistent baiting.

 

So, just so you know in future.....A winger is a wide midfielder!!!  Now, do yourself a favor, go look it up on Wiki and then perhaps remove your reply or the whole forum will be laughing at yet more of your twaddle.  

You didn't know a winger is a wide midfield and you have the gall to question my knowledge of the game.

 

Run along and do your homework.  Just read the Wiki page on a midfielder and stop making a fool of yourself.  I hope thats not too racist for you!!

Edited January 12, 2019 by carmine

[Bredbury Blue]

1 hour ago, carmine said:

You didn't know a winger is a wide midfield and you have the gall to question my knowledge of the game.

 

Run along and do your homework.  Just read the Wiki page on a midfielder and stop making a fool of yourself.  I hope thats not too racist for you!!

You been "tipped the nod" again that ive posted have you? You have me on ignore do you? You're  fooling no one.

 

Mahrez / Sane  / Sterling are a midfielder in City's  433? Anybody who watches us know that they play upfront and VERY wide on the touchline - they main role is forward. They do occasionally drop in to the midfield areas but they also occasionally  drop in to the fullback areas. 

 

Racist?

Edited January 12, 2019 by Bredbury Blue

[BangrakBob]

Most shots hit directly at a keeper award goes to Spurs. should have won 10-3.

[smedly]

LMAO ???????????? 

[Rc2702]

7 minutes ago, BangrakBob said:

Most shots hit directly at a keeper award goes to Spurs. should have won 10-3.

Keeper played a blinder. Best bit of keeping I've seen for a while. Kane would have got to that last chance 2 years ago but maybe it was cos their away from home....

[mrbojangles]

On any other day you'd have scored a bucket full. De Gea was unbeatable tonight