Britons would now vote to stay in EU, want second referendum: poll

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

Have a referendum now. May's deal or remain. The smart money would be on remain.

Hilarious. I'm away for my Stoli.

[Spidey]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Hilarious. I'm away for my Stoli.

Well let's hope it happens and you can put your money where your Stoli is. 555

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

They are both clowns.

clowns smashing clowns has always been a favourite in circus

[balo]

I don't understand what the Brits are smoking.  It's like a kindergarten , so afraid of leaving Brussels, no one to look after them , only a hopeless P.M. What happened to the British Empire? 

Maggie Thatcher would have at least showed some class.

 

British politicians are nuts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, baboon said:

How do I know? He claims to be a Christian but backs every piece of legislation designed to make the poor worse off. That's one reason.

The other is that he knows Brext will not end well for the less privileged and well off in society and could not care a single solitary sh!t about it.

 

Do you need to have met Papa Doc to come to a conclusion that he was not a particularly nice chap?

I used to be a Christian but now I talk to the trees and the spirits of the land where I live. That doesn't make me that different to him.

 

I knew that when I voted to leave back in 2016 that some people would be better off and some worse off. I knew back then that I would be worse off but I also know that in the longer term that my son, his wife and the grand children that I have never met will be better off in the future.

 

However I do believe that JRM is a lot nicer than Papa Doc. At least he doesn't eat babies.

 

Never met Papa Doc as he died in 1971 and I have never met Trump either but IMHO he is the worst POTUS in the last 100 years.

 

That is the difference between us. 

[CG1 Blue]

31 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Have a referendum now. May's deal or remain. The smart money would be on remain.

If the choice was May's deal (which is remain with no say in EU matters) or Remain, you're right. Remain would obviously win. But you can't have both options as remain when the majority voted to leave in 2016.  

 

Which way would you vote if it were May's deal or no deal? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Spidey]

6 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

If the choice was May's deal (which is remain with no say in EU matters) or Remain, you're right. Remain would obviously win. But you can't have both options as remain when the majority voted to leave in 2016.  

 

Which way would you vote if it were May's deal or no deal? 

 

Both terrible scenarios and not giving people a real choice. Only Brexiteers would vote.

 

How about no deal or remain?

[baboon]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

I used to be a Christian but now I talk to the trees and the spirits of the land where I live. That doesn't make me that different to him.

 

I knew that when I voted to leave back in 2016 that some people would be better off and some worse off. I knew back then that I would be worse off but I also know that in the longer term that my son, his wife and the grand children that I have never met will be better off in the future.

 

However I do believe that JRM is a lot nicer than Papa Doc. At least he doesn't eat babies.

 

Never met Papa Doc as he died in 1971 and I have never met Trump either but IMHO he is the worst POTUS in the last 100 years.

 

That is the difference between us. 

What IS the difference between us, Bill? You are veering all over the place.

Are we going to start comparing Papa Doc with Pol Pot or what? Are you saying that in your opinion JRM is quite possibly a very nice man? Do you honestly believe he has the back of your UK based relatives? 

Edited January 8, 2019 by baboon

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, balo said:

I don't understand what the Brits are smoking.  It's like a kindergarten , so afraid of leaving Brussels, no one to look after them , only a hopeless P.M. What happened to the British Empire? 

Maggie Thatcher would have at least showed some class.

 

British politicians are nuts.

 

 

The irony being that this clip was filmed around the time we were going IN ????

[bomber]

2 hours ago, baansgr said:

Its this kind of thinking that brought about the result. Have you ever had to wait weeks for Drs appointment, drive your kids 10 miles to school rather than walk them to the one a few hundred yards away, have toothache for weeks as no dental vacancy, move away from your area due to a housing shortage....these are the daily problems millions of people are suffering due to mass immigration from the EU. nobody listened then and still they dont listen. dont blame the government for lack of investment, when the countrys population increases by 10% in a few years its impossible to cope with

apart from the odd area of london this is total rubbish,so you 99.9% wrong,plenty of dentists,plenty of schools and plenty of houses,plenty of doctors and hospitals,a 2 hour wait maybe if its non emergency,no great hardship,who brainwashed you?  household debt and drink and drugs are the UKs big problems after brexit

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

I used to be a Christian but now I talk to the trees and the spirits of the land where I live. That doesn't make me that different to him.

 

I knew that when I voted to leave back in 2016 that some people would be better off and some worse off. I knew back then that I would be worse off but I also know that in the longer term that my son, his wife and the grand children that I have never met will be better off in the future.

 

However I do believe that JRM is a lot nicer than Papa Doc. At least he doesn't eat babies.

 

Never met Papa Doc as he died in 1971 and I have never met Trump either but IMHO he is the worst POTUS in the last 100 years.

 

That is the difference between us. 

trees are OK

keep on talking to them

I often do in the vicinity of my Norway home - good for the soul.

 

Trump? dunno

Democrats have a way now, grant his 5 zillions for the wall

provided he promises to remain on the Mexican side of the wall and never ever cross.

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, baboon said:

What IS the difference between us, Bill? You are veering all over the place.

Are we going to start comparing Papa Doc with Pol Pot or what? Are you saying that in your opinion JRM is quite possibly a very nice man? Do you honestly believe he has the back of your UK based relatives? 

Rees-Mogg profile by MASH report ????

 

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

2 hours ago, Spidey said:

Have a referendum now. May's deal or remain. The smart money would be on remain.

We will have the People's Vote , stay in and then the Putin trolls can go back and moan about something else. Or get their high-vis out and block a bridge somewhere whilst mouthing mindless slogans. Where hopefully the old bIll will treat these pound-shop Tommy Robinson types with the 'respect' they deserve. 

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Do you really think a 2nd referendum would solve everything, even if Remain were to scrape home? The EU member states know that at least half of UK voters don't want be a part of the EU project anymore, so our relationship with the EU (and their perception of us) has changed forever. Let's be fair, the UK has always been a reluctant member. The sensible thing is to make sure we leave now, as amicably as possible. 

 

Rory Stewart explains this very well in an interview with James O'Brien. Listen from 8'40 if you don't want to hear the whole 19 mins. 

 

 

 

Thanks for that

 

What a decent man!

 

Certainly got me thinking. Maybe he's right and we can never hope to be taken as a solid member of the EU again. Maybe N or N+ is sensible ???? And the best we can hope for.

[CG1 Blue]

7 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Thanks for that

 

What a decent man!

 

Certainly got me thinking. Maybe he's right and we can never hope to be taken as a solid member of the EU again. Maybe N or N+ is sensible ???? And the best we can hope for.

Yes, a decent man. To get JOB thinking in a different way takes some doing! 

 

Apparently a bunch of MPs are bringing forward a N+ proposal very soon. Maybe that will be enough to unite parliament, and even the nation. Wouldn't that be nice! 

[bomber]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

Yes, a decent man. To get JOB thinking in a different way takes some doing! 

 

Apparently a bunch of MPs are bringing forward a N+ proposal very soon. Maybe that will be enough to unite parliament, and even the nation. Wouldn't that be nice! 

EU wont change their position,why should they.

[CG1 Blue]

7 minutes ago, bomber said:

EU wont change their position,why should they.

As I understand it, the EU would be ok with a Norway style arrangement (or Canada plus plus). Barnier has repeatedly stated this. The N+ arrangement may be viewed in the UK as a 'stage 1' departure from the EU, making a full departure easier in the future. That might placate enough brexiteers. 

The proposal from this bunch of UK MPs is that the UK's contribution to the EU budget would be roughly halved under N+, and that we could use existing legislation to control some freedom of movement. We'd be out of the CAP, CFP and many other EU policies would no longer apply. 

 

In any case, the PM says it's her deal or no deal.  We'll have to see how that pans out over the next two weeks! 

[Grouse]

27 minutes ago, bomber said:

EU wont change their position,why should they.

Because N+ is better for them

 

As I explained moths ago, N+ is the Nash Equilibrium solution. Logical reasoning leads both sides asymptotically to this as being the least damaging for everyone.

Edited January 8, 2019 by Grouse

[Grouse]

BTW, I think N+ is fine as a general solution but I can't see us being accepted by EFTA for reasons explained by our Scandinavian contributors. So in fact it means leaving but staying in the SM and CU. This of course also solves the Irish question. We should use existing rules and maybe extend these to throttle immigration to acceptable levels.

Edited January 8, 2019 by Grouse

[Grouse]

Slightly off topic but an educational interlude nonetheless and explains how our histories are tightly intertwined 

 

 

[ukrules]

6 hours ago, Grouse said:

For goodness sake!

 

The lout was running down a father in front of his children! (Dissing? Maybe a Brexiter could correct my Estuary English?) 

 

JRM should have slapped him hard with his gauntlet.

 

I don't agree with the man's views but uncivilised behaviour is unacceptable. Anyone know who it was? Journalist? 

It was Ian Bone, crazy left winger.

 

Here he is, a typical remoaner harassing the man and his family:

 

 

 

 

[Grouse]

10 minutes ago, ukrules said:

It was Ian Bone, crazy left winger.

 

Here he is, a typical remoaner harassing the man and his family:

 

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

This nasty piece of work is not a left winger he's an anarchist and should be sectioned

 

He is anti Brexit AND anti Remain

 

 

 

[Nigel Garvie]

3 hours ago, oilinki said:

Rees-Mogg profile by MASH report ????

 

 

 

Magnificent from the Daily Mash as always, you can get the daily written version by email for free, always a good laugh. Any similarity between JRM and members of the race Homo Sapiens is purely coincidental.

 

Another from them on the same topic:-

 

CHANNEL 4’s Brexit drama ended with the Leave campaign’s famous bus balanced on a cliff-edge. 

The literal cliffhanger came after the rag-tag gang assembled for the campaign had succeeded against the odds and were making their escape, leaving audiences arguing about whether Brexit will actually even happen. 

Viewer Tom Logan said: “After all the Russian money and computer hacking and symbols of Britishness dragged through sewers, they did it. Or did they? Perhaps we’ll never find out. 

“Benedict Cumberbatch, perfectly cast as a posh <deleted> who got lucky, accidentally swerves the red bus bearing its NHS promise over a precipice, just managing to brake in time. 

“It teeters there, only held up by the people gathered at one end, with all the precious Brexit stuff at the other end and impossible to reach without tipping the bus off the edge. 

“Then Michael Gove, played by Andy Serkis in motion-capture, says ‘Hang on a minute lads, I’ve had a brilliant idea’.

“Unfortunately it turns out to be a shit idea and everyone dies. So it’s very realistic.” 

[KhaoYai]

20 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The UK is a very attractive place for foreigners to invest with the pound so weak, you get a lot for your dollars, Yuen etc.

That is about as far from the truth as its possible to be.  The reason the pound fell overnight when the Brexit vote result came in was precisely because investors lost confidence and sold. If investors started investing in the UK again the pound would rise.

[Stargeezr]

The UK existed before the great EU, I have confidence that its future will be okay, after the first hard bumps. Belgium just wants the money, does not care a dam for the UK people. my opinion anyway.

 

Geezer

[JonnyF]

13 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Every leaver talks about how the second vote would be for leave, they’d romp home, no bother at all. But none are willing to put that to the test? Wonder why?

Why should they? The vote already took place in 2016 and Leave Won.

 

Man City beat Rotherham 7-0 in the FA Cup last week. Romped home. City fans would be very confident that they'd win again if they played them again next week. It doesn't mean their theory should be put to the test as the game has already been played. The result is in. Rotheram are out and unlike Remainers, their supporters accept it.

 

Before you start talking about opinions changing over time, there is truth in that but you have to realize that the first vote needs to be respected and implemented before a second referendum can take place. You don't re-run a general election before the winning party has had their term in office. We must leave the EU as per the legislation and then in a few years if there is significant support for a referendum to re-enter then you can have your second vote. You can't demand to vote again before the results have been implemented just because you lost. That's not how Democracy works.

 

Remainers need to accept they lost and get behind the country, not try and sabotage the process.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

The UK existed before the great EU, I have confidence that its future will be okay, after the first hard bumps. Belgium just wants the money, does not care a dam for the UK people. my opinion anyway.

 

Geezer

The truth is far more complex I'm afraid.

[Grouse]

19 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Why should they? The vote already took place in 2016 and Leave Won.

 

Man City beat Rotherham 7-0 in the FA Cup last week. Romped home. City fans would be very confident that they'd win again if they played them again next week. It doesn't mean their theory should be put to the test as the game has already been played. The result is in. Rotheram are out and unlike Remainers, their supporters accept it.

 

Before you start talking about opinions changing over time, there is truth in that but you have to realize that the first vote needs to be respected and implemented before a second referendum can take place. You don't re-run a general election before the winning party has had their term in office. We must leave the EU as per the legislation and then in a few years if there is significant support for a referendum to re-enter then you can have your second vote. You can't demand to vote again before the results have been implemented just because you lost. That's not how Democracy works.

 

Remainers need to accept they lost and get behind the country, not try and sabotage the process.

Leavers need to stop the moronic chanting and understand that some things are rather more complex than a bloody football match!

[welovesundaysatspace]

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Why should they? The vote already took place in 2016 and Leave Won.

The vote was manipulated and the result ambiguous. 

 

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Man City beat Rotherham 7-0 in the FA Cup last week. Romped home. City fans would be very confident that they'd win again if they played them again next week. It doesn't mean their theory should be put to the test as the game has already been played. The result is in. Rotheram are out and unlike Remainers, their supporters accept it.

If you want to compare, don’t compare apples and oranges. I

 

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Before you start talking about opinions changing over time, there is truth in that but you have to realize that the first vote needs to be respected and implemented before a second referendum can take place.

People in a true democracy will never respect a manipulated vote, and you cannot implement something that is completely ambiguous. 

 

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Remainers need to accept they lost and get behind the country, not try and sabotage the process.

No, they don’t. 

[JonnyF]

4 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

That is about as far from the truth as its possible to be.  The reason the pound fell overnight when the Brexit vote result came in was precisely because investors lost confidence and sold. If investors started investing in the UK again the pound would rise.

The pound slumped because people panicked. However, now that is HAS fallen, a weak currency has many benefits.

 

• UK exporters are more competitive.
• Increasing demand for local products since foreign products increase in price.
• Foreign investors find British assets/housing cheaper.
• UK firms that earn profits abroad benefit.
• current account deficit should improve as the value of exports rises relative to the value of imports.

I'm not saying it's all positive but people who quote a weak pound as being only bad news should think again. Countries often deliberately devalue their currency, China for example.

 

The pound is undervalued at the moment and will increase in value a few months after we leave when people realize the sky didn't fall, there was no VD outbreak, planes still took to the air and the short terms issues around the ports have been sorted out.