2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

This should be a wake up call for Gov. Workers that even you with a pretty secure job have to save some money. I have friends who also live paycheck to paycheck but they could be saving if they didn't take weekend holidays as soon as they have a few bucks instead of saving. Folks have to have that new car, starbucks every morning and evening, eat lunch at restaurants, take out for dinner without thinking what's going to happen if I loose my job. It's how today's society is. 

Shame on you.

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

I'm kind of wondering what the "right" thing for Trump to do actually was. People complained at him being a heartless ass for keeping the government shut down. So, he decides to reopen it. Now, people laugh and make fun of it.  What was the right call?  He recognized that he didn't have the numbers and decided to fold his hand, and wait for the next one. Now, Pelosi has three weeks to get something done. The ball is in her court. 

 

Trump has gotten enough wins so far (supreme court, tax cut, judicial appointments, etc.) that he can afford to take a loss.

The right thing would have been never to take the government hostage to get something he couldn't get when he controlled all of congress.

 

This really is a great outcome.

 

Want to negotiate? Negotiate with the government open. No more hostage taking.

 

Duh. 

Edited January 26, 20197 yr by Jingthing

Mr. Art of the Deal doesn't seem to fare so well when he has to deal with people who aren't his own brand of fawning flunkies in Congress.

10 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

That about sums it up. Trump is a horrible negotiator. He negotiated his way into five deferments, five bankruptcies, 3,600 lawsuits, and then got taken by Kim, Putin, Xi, and now Pelosi. He is weak. He is not smart. He is unhinged. He does not have much common sense or reason. He destroys alliances with trusted leaders and befriends despots and dictators. And he cannot attract real talent to his administration. And when he does, and they give him good advice, he fires them. Does this sound like the guy we want leading the free world?

 

It makes me glad, that the influence of the US, is waning by the day. And I say that as an American. Who was once sort of proud. 

Off topic posts and replies removed.   The thread isn't about how to save money.  

15 hours ago, Nice Boyd said:

 Why so many non -American ‘s want this Trumpstain as President , don’t understand...

Because he's not a politician.  He's not taking a paycheck.  He doesn't take orders from the political PAC's.  Everything he does, he does for the American people.  The first of his kind to be President. 

10 minutes ago, khaowong1 said:

Because he's not a politician.  He's not taking a paycheck.  He doesn't take orders from the political PAC's.  Everything he does, he does for the American people.  The first of his kind to be President. 

The first US President to be a Russian puppet.

12 minutes ago, khaowong1 said:

Because he's not a politician.  He's not taking a paycheck.  He doesn't take orders from the political PAC's.  Everything he does, he does for the American people.  The first of his kind to be President. 

Good sarcasm! ????

11 hours ago, Becker said:

I must say I find the absence in this thread of the usual gaggle of Trump supporters rather perplexing.....

There, I've given you a "sad" emoji. In the absence of the usual suspects (probably down at Walmart shopping for a new telly - having kicked a hole in the screen when Fox announced the cave in); it's the best I can do I'm afraid.????

 

12 hours ago, guest879 said:

really disappointing Trump has not been able to carry out the promise the general public voted him in on. hope he will find another way to improve boarder security.

Do you mean the promise about getting Mexico to pay for the wall?  Or the promise to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something much better?  Or the promise to reduce the trade deficit and balance the budget?  Or, perhaps his biggest lie, the promise to drain the swamp?

 

There were many other unkept promises, these are just the ones that come to mind now.

 

The "general public" generally voted for Clinton.  Trump lost the popular vote by three million votes.

1 hour ago, khaowong1 said:

Because he's not a politician.  He's not taking a paycheck.  He doesn't take orders from the political PAC's.  Everything he does, he does for the American people.  The first of his kind to be President. 

Like that huge tax cut for the wealthy.

12 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Like that huge tax cut for the wealthy.

 

Khaowong's comment re Trump would be correct, if rephrased as follows:

 

He doesn't take orders from the political PAC's. He takes orders from Putin and the NRA.

 

Everything he does, he does TO the American people, with his part of the country regularly bending over at the waist for him.

 

At least his porn star and playmate acquaintances knew they were getting screwed. But other folks like ordinary Americans who support him are slow to wake up to that fact.

 

Edited January 26, 20197 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

14 hours ago, Becker said:

I must say I find the absence in this thread of the usual gaggle of Trump supporters rather perplexing.....

They are so tired from winning they had to go and lay down

9 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

This should be a wake up call for Gov. Workers that even you with a pretty secure job have to save some money. I have friends who also live paycheck to paycheck but they could be saving if they didn't take weekend holidays as soon as they have a few bucks instead of saving. Folks have to have that new car, starbucks every morning and evening, eat lunch at restaurants, take out for dinner without thinking what's going to happen if I loose my job. It's how today's society is. 

 

I once worked with a young fellow who needed to replace his car.  He wanted a new one.  He shopped around, his price-point was the lowest possible monthly payment.  I tried to explain what it would be costing him in interest: his $18k car (this was a few decades ago) would cost him around $30k.  I may as well have been speaking Guarani as far as him getting what I was saying.  I've since learned there are a lot of people in the US who think this way.  Well, when I was 19 I had a factory job and earned nearly as much as my stepfather, but the morning of every payday I had to scrounge up change to get to work.  

 

8 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Now, Pelosi has three weeks to get something done. The ball is in her court. 

 

No, not really.  It was not her promise.  There is nothing new regarding the border with Mexico.  There is no "open border policy."  There is no emergency crisis, except within the right-wing Circus of Fear.

I think DT is going to try to make like this wall bs never existed.  After all, he never said anything about the border or a wall. 

 

 

6 hours ago, heybruce said:

Do you mean the promise about getting Mexico to pay for the wall?  Or the promise to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something much better?  Or the promise to reduce the trade deficit and balance the budget?  Or, perhaps his biggest lie, the promise to drain the swamp?

 

There were many other unkept promises, these are just the ones that come to mind now.

 

The "general public" generally voted for Clinton.  Trump lost the popular vote by three million votes.

Politicians make promises, then don't keep tnem. It is the nature of the game.

 

As for the popular vote, it is completely irrelevant. American election law has been based on the Electoral  College forever. Both candidates knew about it. Clinton especially has no excuse,, she had decades of Washington experience. To get beaten by a political neophyte must have been humiliating. Trump walked  into her world  and kicked her ass.

46 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Politicians make promises, then don't keep tnem. It is the nature of the game.

 

As for the popular vote, it is completely irrelevant. American election law has been based on the Electoral  College forever. Both candidates knew about it. Clinton especially has no excuse,, she had decades of Washington experience. To get beaten by a political neophyte must have been humiliating. Trump walked  into her world  and kicked her ass.

As he  pointed out that the "general public" did not vote for Trump as claimed. As the midterms showed, Americans do not believe that there is an emergency situation at the border.

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

As he  pointed out that the "general public" did not vote for Trump as claimed. As the midterms showed, Americans do not believe that there is an emergency situation at the border.

Not only that, "trump" did not even have majority support to build his great ego branding wall at the time of his election. He has much less support for it now. He ran the midterms pushing his fear demagogue fake crisis of brown people from the south as his top issue. Based on that his party got clobbered in the house which was a national election. Then he failed to absorb that he had lost total power … he's a slow learner. The irony is if any president had included rationalized limited new sections of barriers without the racist demagogue games as part of new border security package, it would have enjoyed bipartisan support with little problem. We're kind of there again, "trump" is going to demand a token new section of his now puny wall to claim victory. I can't predict what will happen in the next three weeks, whether he'll get a puny section or not, the debate about the wall is so poisoned by his rhetoric that the democrats are justified to continue to say not one dollar. I'm pretty sure he won't be able to shut the government again, the senate republicans have had it with that. So maybe his face saving final solution is the fake national emergency thing that likely will be tied up in the courts longer than his presidency.

Trump did not realize that Pelosi's and Schumer's hate for him exceeded any love they might have had for the US.  It's all about the hate.  But beyond that he played it well.

 

All this ties into another upcoming event: RBG will assume room temperature very soon. Trump wisely reopened the government and will not allow it to be shut it down again as he does not want to give Pelosi an excuse to hold up hearings for RBG's replacement on SCOTUS.

 

It's called 3D chess and Trump plays it well.  Pelosi and Schumer continue to play checkers.

Edited January 27, 20197 yr by Kelsall

33 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Trump wisely reopened the government and will not allow it to be shut it down again as he does not want to give Pelosi an excuse to hold up hearings for RBG's replacement on SCOTUS.

 

 

Because Pelosi is in charge of the Senate Judiciary Committee?

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

As for the popular vote, it is completely irrelevant. American election law has been based on the Electoral  College forever. 

Astonishing! I would suggest that the whole point of the electoral college is to represent the way in which the population voted. Yes the individual members represent their states, but if there is a clear national majority of votes for one candidate, in this case numbering some 3 million, I find it quite astonishing that the electoral college can decide for the other!

 

I am sure that was not the intention when the system was established.

 

If more people voted against than for you, then you simply cannot claim a democratic mandate, to build a wall or for any other of the policies on which you stood for election!

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Politicians make promises, then don't keep tnem. It is the nature of the game.

 

As for the popular vote, it is completely irrelevant. American election law has been based on the Electoral  College forever. Both candidates knew about it. Clinton especially has no excuse,, she had decades of Washington experience. To get beaten by a political neophyte must have been humiliating. Trump walked  into her world  and kicked her ass.

Did she complain? Not from my knowledge because as you say yourself she's very well acquainted with how it works. So what's the point of your post?

Let's take a wild flight of imagination and suppose that the shutdown hadn't happened. How would that have impaired the possible nomination of a replacement for RBG? Maybe the shutdown really was Trump's way of getting buried in a landslide vote in 2024 and then staging a spectacular comeback in 2028? 

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Politicians make promises, then don't keep tnem. It is the nature of the game.

 

As for the popular vote, it is completely irrelevant. American election law has been based on the Electoral  College forever. Both candidates knew about it. Clinton especially has no excuse,, she had decades of Washington experience. To get beaten by a political neophyte must have been humiliating. Trump walked  into her world  and kicked her ass.

If "politicians make promises, then don't keep tnem" kind of vitiates one of the the chief arguments that supporters of Trump have been making in support of the shutdown, doesn't it?

Edited January 27, 20197 yr by bristolboy

37 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Trump did not realize that Pelosi's and Schumer's hate for him exceeded any love they might have had for the US.  It's all about the hate.  But beyond that he played it well.

 

All this ties into another upcoming event: RBG will assume room temperature very soon. Trump wisely reopened the government and will not allow it to be shut it down again as he does not want to give Pelosi an excuse to hold up hearings for RBG's replacement on SCOTUS.

 

It's called 3D chess and Trump plays it well.  Pelosi and Schumer continue to play checkers.

There’s is no better reason to hate Trump than loving America.

Despite what his fans on this forum argue, many Washington conservatives aren't so happy:

 

"Trump’s capitulation to Democrats marked a humiliating low point in a polarizing presidency and sparked an immediate backlash among some conservative allies, who cast him as a wimp."

 

"“Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States,” (conservative commentator) Coulter tweeted."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/prisoner-of-his-own-impulse-inside-trumps-cave-to-end-shutdown-without-wall/2019/01/25/e4a4789a-20d5-11e9-8b59-0a28f2191131_story.html?utm_term=.ae4b76e100b8

Baiting post removed.

 

12 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Like that huge tax cut for the wealthy.

Which Trump and all his family benefit from also.

29 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Which Trump and all his family benefit from also.

Possibly - although rumour has it Mr Trump's tax affairs are less than transparent. 

Of course, when he finds time to release his tax returns, (in fairness he is a desperately busy chap, what with cancelling air force flights for political rivals and so on), no doubt we will discover that these rumours are groundless, or bottomless, or swamp less or something like that! 

16 hours ago, khaowong1 said:

Because he's not a politician.  He's not taking a paycheck.  He doesn't take orders from the political PAC's.  Everything he does, he does for the American people.  The first of his kind to be President. 

That bridge is still for sale , its a bargain.

I often wonder why Trump bothers with his ridiculous lies , nobody takes them seriously surely.

Then I come across posts such as this and begin to understand , it's a deeply troubling insight into the thought pattern ( or perhaps degree of denial ) of a percentage of humanity.

Edited January 27, 20197 yr by joecoolfrog