Non O (Multi Entry) no longer issued at Royal Thai Embassy in London - new financial requirements for Single Entry Tourist Visas (SETV)

[Maestro]

12 hours ago, Greenwich Boy said:

...Have I read the London Embassy page correctly that I can get a SE non o that will be valid for 90 days if I have 10k Stg in the bank for 3 months? No flight, hotels required? Many Thanks

 

If you can post a link to the web page where you read that it will be easier for others to check it and tell you how they read it.

[Tanoshi]

4 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

I find your answer a little patronising but nevertheless, let's deal with it...........When they bought the truck and built the house, there was no question of ME Non O's not being available.

I'm not attempting to be patronising, just realistic.

Your friend was obtaining the correct Visa for the purpose it was meant for.

He's in a minority that Immigration don't care about.

His circumstances and work rota's are his problem as far as they are concerned.

 

In the short term he can continue to obtain the Non Imm O ME at a number of other Embassies/Consulates.

Longer term he may be forced into another alternative option.

Immigration have a record of suddenly thrusting changes without notice.

 

4 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

The changes to the UK immigration requirements in terms of the financial requirement did not affect those already there.

Your wrong, I can assure they affected anyone who didn't already have Indefinite Leave to Remain.

My wife was one year into her qualifying 2 year period and if I hadn't been able to meet the financial requirement the following year, she would have been forced to leave.

[Tanoshi]

2 hours ago, VBF said:

13 hours ago, Greenwich Boy said:

UK passport. Over 50. Flight to and out of Thailand booked. Stay is over 60 days but less than 90. Just my winter break, no family involved. SETV used to work fine but now the flight out proof within 60 days is a pain. I nearly always fly somewhere but do not book it until I get to Thailand.

Have I read the London Embassy page correctly that I can get a SE non o that will be valid for 90 days if I have 10k Stg in the bank for 3 months? No flight, hotels required? Many Thanks

I've asked that question earlier in the thread and it has so far not received a reply - thanks for bumping it ????

That's what it states.

Flight and hotel accommodation was never previously requested for the Non O anyway.

 

• Non-Immigrant Type O (Retirement (pensioner aged 50 or above with a state pension who wants to stay in Thailand for no longer than 90 days) - single entry only)
•  

• Financial evidence e.g. A copy of pension statement if the applicant is a pensioner, or a copy of 1-month bank statement showing your income from pension, or 3-month bank statement of at least £10,000
• Confirmation of legal residence in the UK or Ireland

 

http://www.thaiembassy.org/london/en/services/7742/84508-Non-Immigrant-visas.html

 

However on the E-Visa pages there is no mention of the Non Imm O being available for the purpose of retirement.

https://thaievisa.go.th/Home/Family

 

Whilst the Embassies cannot change the type of Visas on offer from the E-Visa application site, they can change the class of who they will offer the Visa to.

 

You should also note

The Royal Thai Embassy reserves the rights to request for other additional documents, depending on the type of Non-Immigrant Visa.

Edited June 28, 2019 by Tanoshi

[VBF]

14 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

That's what it states.

Flight and hotel accommodation was never previously requested for the Non O anyway.

 

• Non-Immigrant Type O (Retirement (pensioner aged 50 or above with a state pension who wants to stay in Thailand for no longer than 90 days) - single entry only)
•  

• Financial evidence e.g. A copy of pension statement if the applicant is a pensioner, or a copy of 1-month bank statement showing your income from pension, or 3-month bank statement of at least £10,000
• Confirmation of legal residence in the UK or Ireland

 

http://www.thaiembassy.org/london/en/services/7742/84508-Non-Immigrant-visas.html

 

However on the E-Visa pages there is no mention of the Non Imm O being available for the purpose of retirement.

https://thaievisa.go.th/Home/Family

 

Whilst the Embassies cannot change the type of Visas on offer from the E-Visa application site, they can change the class of who they will offer the Visa to.

 

You should also note

The Royal Thai Embassy reserves the rights to request for other additional documents, depending on the type of Non-Immigrant Visa.

We're asking about without State Pension here...that very critical "OR" 3-month bank statement of at least £10,000

@Tanoshi I believe we've addressed this together earlier on........that very critical "OR" has always been my question - if it's true, it answers my questions as I do not yet get the State Pension and just want between 60 and 90 days in Thailand at a time.

Edited June 28, 2019 by VBF

[KhaoYai]

4 hours ago, VBF said:

I've asked that question earlier in the thread and it has so far not received a reply - thanks for bumping it ????

Its quite easy actually - if you don't meet the requirements for a SE Non O just get a SETV and apply for a 30 day extension. If worried about flights out - go on the budget airline's websites, there are usually flights with poor timings available for 1000 - 1500 baht. Book one and don't use it.

[ubonjoe]

I just did a small cleanup of this topic by removing several bickering, flaming, persona attacks, off topic posts and etc.

Time to end it or this topic will be closed.

[Tanoshi]

9 hours ago, VBF said:

We're asking about without State Pension here...that very critical "OR" 3-month bank statement of at least £10,000

@Tanoshi I believe we've addressed this together earlier on........that very critical "OR" has always been my question - if it's true, it answers my questions as I do not yet get the State Pension and just want between 60 and 90 days in Thailand at a time.

Yes, you can.

I've just been playing around with the site changing details.

The option for Non O over 50 is clearly available.

 

I then changed my age to 48 and it wouldn't allow me to proceed past step 1.

 

I also stated I was a UK citizen with Chinese residency. (Testing)

It allowed me a selection via drop down box of where to submit my application, the London Embassy or any of the Chinese Consulates and the Embassy in Beijing.

From information you provide it will preselect certain options or offer alternative options via drop down boxes.

If you enter details that don't match the criteria for a particular Visa type it will not allow you to proceed.

Edited June 29, 2019 by Tanoshi

[lkv]

1 hour ago, Tanoshi said:

 

I also stated I was a UK citizen with Chinese residency. (Testing)

It allowed me a selection via drop down box of where to submit my application, the London Embassy or any of the Chinese Consulates and the Embassy in Beijing.

Why do I have a feeling that any sort of Thai visa will only be available only in the country of citizenship or the country of legal residence (proven with extra documentation), if all Embassies are to migrate to this online system?

[UKresonant]

Thanks for that info (#697), So is the "visiting and staying with applicants family....more than 60 days" the selection for the married to a Thai purpose, or is there another combination....

 

So Dad could still do a non-O SE, as it says not more than 90 days (rather than more than 60). Good news I can just pin his state pension on and could include a statement of the account it's payed into, should be no doubt then...or he could do a 60 one but the 90 day would give him some time should be sick on day 59, or any other unforeseen....

[VBF]

10 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

Its quite easy actually - if you don't meet the requirements for a SE Non O just get a SETV and apply for a 30 day extension. If worried about flights out - go on the budget airline's websites, there are usually flights with poor timings available for 1000 - 1500 baht. Book one and don't use it.

I actually discussed that earlier in the thread - I'm attempting to avoid having to buy a flight before getting a visa. Previously, I have had an SETV annually and extended beyond the 60 days when in Thailand. It was simple with the old manual system. If I can get a SE Non O it would save having to do an extension anyway.

[VBF]

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Yes, you can.

I've just been playing around with the site changing details.

The option for Non O over 50 is clearly available.

 

I then changed my age to 48 and it wouldn't allow me to proceed past step 1.

 

I also stated I was a UK citizen with Chinese residency. (Testing)

It allowed me a selection via drop down box of where to submit my application, the London Embassy or any of the Chinese Consulates and the Embassy in Beijing.

From information you provide it will preselect certain options or offer alternative options via drop down boxes.

If you enter details that don't match the criteria for a particular Visa type it will not allow you to proceed.

Good work @Tanoshi ???? I haven't yet attempted to apply, but am trying to get my ducks in a row for when I do need to make decisions. I'm also, as I mentioned earlier, going to email the embassy with some questions - these threads help to define exactly what to ask them and keep it as brief as possible.  I shall post when that happens.

 

 

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, UKresonant said:

Thanks for that info (#697), So is the "visiting and staying with applicants family....more than 60 days" the selection for the married to a Thai purpose, or is there another combination....

What I posted was for the Non Imm O SE Visa. (90 day)

If you chose the option of visiting and staying with applicants family, you'd require more documents.

 

Non-Immigrant Type O (Visiting or staying with applicant's family resided in Thailand (more than 60 days) - single entry only)

• Proof of relationship to a family in Thailand, e.g. a copy of marriage certificate / birth certificate / certificate of adoption
• Personal details of a family in Thailand, e.g. ID card, Passport and the visa page or stay permit in Thailand
• Proof of accommodation in Thailand e.g. hotel bookings, invitation letters from family/friends in Thailand
• Financial evidence e.g. bank statements, proof of earnings, proof of sponsorship from a third party
• Confirmation of legal residence in the UK or Ireland

 

1 hour ago, UKresonant said:

So Dad could still do a non-O SE, as it says not more than 90 days (rather than more than 60). Good news I can just pin his state pension on and could include a statement of the account it's payed into, should be no doubt then...or he could do a 60 one but the 90 day would give him some time should be sick on day 59, or any other unforeseen....

Dad can apply for the Non Imm O 90 day Visa with proof of state pension.

Far less documentation required.

 

• Non-Immigrant Type O (Retirement (pensioner aged 50 or above with a state pension who wants to stay in Thailand for no longer than 90 days) - single entry only)
•  

• Financial evidence e.g. A copy of pension statement if the applicant is a pensioner, or a copy of 1-month bank statement showing your income from pension, or 3-month bank statement of at least £10,000
• Confirmation of legal residence in the UK or Ireland

[Jumbo1968]

10 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

What I posted was for the Non Imm O SE Visa. (90 day)

If you chose the option of visiting and staying with applicants family, you'd require more documents.

 

Non-Immigrant Type O (Visiting or staying with applicant's family resided in Thailand (more than 60 days) - single entry only)

• Proof of relationship to a family in Thailand, e.g. a copy of marriage certificate / birth certificate / certificate of adoption
• Personal details of a family in Thailand, e.g. ID card, Passport and the visa page or stay permit in Thailand
• Proof of accommodation in Thailand e.g. hotel bookings, invitation letters from family/friends in Thailand
• Financial evidence e.g. bank statements, proof of earnings, proof of sponsorship from a third party
• Confirmation of legal residence in the UK or Ireland

 

Dad can apply for the Non Imm O 90 day Visa with proof of state pension.

Far less documentation required.

 

• Non-Immigrant Type O (Retirement (pensioner aged 50 or above with a state pension who wants to stay in Thailand for no longer than 90 days) - single entry only)
•  

• Financial evidence e.g. A copy of pension statement if the applicant is a pensioner, or a copy of 1-month bank statement showing your income from pension, or 3-month bank statement of at least £10,000
• Confirmation of legal residence in the UK or Ireland

For the Pension related Visa surely the fact you would forwarding a copy of your Pension Statement which indicates your UK address, re legal address ?

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, VBF said:

Good work @Tanoshi ???? I haven't yet attempted to apply, but am trying to get my ducks in a row for when I do need to make decisions. I'm also, as I mentioned earlier, going to email the embassy with some questions - these threads help to define exactly what to ask them and keep it as brief as possible.  I shall post when that happens.

 

 

I'd advise anyone with question to 'register', set up your profile details, then 'log in' and play around with the various options and choices. It's a SMART system.

Then change your profile details and try again.

Once you've chosen the Visa type and purpose of stay, check the relevant Embassy website for their requirement of documents, before attaching any documents and submitting the application.

 

You can at any time go back to the previous page, or save pages.

Edited June 29, 2019 by Tanoshi

[Tanoshi]

16 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

For the Pension related Visa surely the fact you would forwarding a copy of your Pension Statement which indicates your UK address, re legal address ?

Confirmation of legal address isn't requested.

Confirmation of legal residence is .. that's your Passport, or if a foreigner residing in the UK a permit to reside their legally.

 

In the profile section you add your UK address.

This would be used in the case of firstly applying online, then submitting passport and relevant documents choosing the postal option for the return of your documents.

You could put a friend or family members address in. That is where postal applications will be returned to.

Edited June 29, 2019 by Tanoshi

[KhaoYai]

On the subject of an O-X visa being an alternative to the Multi Entry Non O - another downside to that route is the requirement to have 3 million baht in a Thai bank account. 1.8 million initially with the remaining 1.2 million deposited within 1 year. Applicants must also have an income of at least 1.2 million per year.

 

• Applicants must have money deposited in Thai bank located in Thailand with the amount of not less than 1.8 million Baht and have income with the amount of not less than 1.2 million Baht per year. Once the applicants enter Thailand, they must have accumulated money deposited in Thai bank located in Thailand not less than 3 million Baht within 1 year.

The money in (a) and (b) must be kept in bank account at least 1 year before withdrawing and, within another next year, the money must be left in the account with the amount of not less than 1.5 million Baht and can only be spent in Thailand.

4. Applicants must have no forbidden diseases according to the Ministerial Regulation No. 14 (B.E 2535) which include Leprosy, Tuberculosis, Elephantiasis, drug addiction and third stage of Syphilis.
5. Applicants must have Thai medical insurance during their stay in Thailand (per the approval of the Office of Insurance Commission) and medical claims for outpatient must not be less than 40,000 Baht, for inpatient must not be less than 400,000 Baht.

 

http://www.thaiembassy.org/london/en/services/7742/84508-Non-Immigrant-visas.html#8

 

[lkv]

47 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

On the subject of an O-X visa being an alternative to the Multi Entry Non O - another downside to that route is the requirement to have 3 million baht in a Thai bank account. 1.8 million initially with the remaining 1.2 million deposited within 1 year. Applicants must also have an income of at least 1.2 million per year.

 

•  

So what's the question?

 

The standard requirement is 3M baht. If you don't have all the cash when you apply, they will take 1.8M baht first and allow you to top up the rest of 1.2M baht within 1 year. And you are asked to provide evidence that you are financially capable to cover that 1.2M within a year, out of income of minimum 1.2M.

 

Or just put 3M upfront.

 

People are mostly complaining about the insurance aspect when it comes to the O-X visa, but it has indeed higher monetary requirements than O-A.

Edited June 29, 2019 by lkv

[KhaoYai]

10 hours ago, lkv said:

So what's the question?

No question - this is following on from some other posts I made about a friend who may have a serious problem if he can't get a new Multi O next year.  Someone suggested he could apply for an O-X - I stated that was not suitable and costly.  The 3 million in the bank requirement is one reason I didn't give before.

 

Some posts have been removed which is why you may think I'm missing a question.

Edited June 29, 2019 by KhaoYai

[KhaoYai]

Another potential anomaly with the London E-Visa service.  The amended website still lists an O-A as being available as Multi Entry (as it also does for an O-X). Given that all other O categories have been amended to Single Entry, I wonder what the position of a spouse accompanying an O-A applicant would be.

 

The website states:

 

'If you wish to be accompanied by spouse, the marriage certificate will be attached. But your spouse will be granted Non-Immigrant “O” instead of “O-A”(Long Stay)'

 

According to the OP here, the statement on their website and what I was told verbally by a member of the visa section at London, a standard Non O is only available as a single entry. So, the applicant gets a 12 month multi but their spouse gets a 90 day single???  That's either another mistake, they expect the spouse to apply for an extension or the system does allow standard Non O multis.

Edited June 29, 2019 by KhaoYai

[ubonjoe]

2 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

According to the OP here, the statement on their website and what I was told verbally by a member of the visa section at London, a standard Non O is only available as a single entry. So, the applicant gets a 12 month multi but their spouse gets a 90 day single???  That's either another mistake, they expect the spouse to apply for an extension or the system does allow standard Non O multis.

The spouse would not need a multiple entry non-o visa since they are eligible to get a extension based upon their spouses OA visa entry. Then it the they want to travel they can get a single or multiple re-entry permit. 

Some embassies were pushing the spouse to get a multiple entry non-o visa that is not needed and some may still be doing it. Why would the spouse want a multiple entry non-o visa that only allows a 90 day stay when the others visa allows unlimited one year entries.

[AlfHuy]

On 6/22/2019 at 11:56 AM, wobalt said:

EX visa is for skilled workers or experts as mentioned on the visa list

"EX" To undertake skilled work or to work as an expert or specialist.


Gesendet von iPad mit Thaivisa Connect

I am the best pancake maker in my village. Does it qualify me as a skilled worker?

[wobalt]

I am the best pancake maker in my village. Does it qualify me as a skilled worker?

Of cause when the Thais couldn’t make it


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[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, AlfHuy said:

I am the best pancake maker in my village. Does it qualify me as a skilled worker?

No, they'll think you've just flipped, or your a tosser. 

Edited June 30, 2019 by Tanoshi

[natalieee]

Has anyone reported the proof of outward travel being enforced?

 

I have a friend on a stamp from Myanmar flying out to Italy for a few days then plans to enter on visa exempt (for the 2nd time this year). But then she is going to convert to a Non B as she has all the required documents but not enough time to make the application before she has to leave for a wedding.

 

She has entered once by air and once by land, ever. She is a U.K. citizen.

Edited July 8, 2019 by natalieee

[ubonjoe]

1 hour ago, natalieee said:

Has anyone reported the proof of outward travel being enforced?

I have a friend on a stamp from Myanmar flying out to Italy for a few days then plans to enter on visa exempt (for the 2nd time this year).

Not at immigration on entry. It may be that airline will ask for flight out within 30 day of arrival to check in for their flight.

You friend could buy a low cost one way ticket to any nearby country that will be accepted.

[KateAltop]

On 6/20/2019 at 11:20 AM, GeorgeCross said:

keep tightening.. a few more screws and no-one will qualify for any type of visa!

 

 

 

Agree with you, it is already affecting Thais tourism sector, read news about it, oh yes, they blame Thai baht lol

[Leaver]

On 6/20/2019 at 9:17 PM, fresher said:

Oh yes, thank you. It is the Single Entry Tourist Visas (SETV) that is 60 days. So I can get Non-O single entry visas for each 12 week trip. Just have to apply twice a year instead of once. Not so bad?

That still puts you 6 months in country for the year, as a "tourist." 

 

Even retirees may appear like they are working illegally here, to immigration.   ????

[BritTim]

On 6/30/2019 at 5:38 AM, KhaoYai said:

Another potential anomaly with the London E-Visa service.  The amended website still lists an O-A as being available as Multi Entry (as it also does for an O-X). Given that all other O categories have been amended to Single Entry, I wonder what the position of a spouse accompanying an O-A applicant would be.

A common misconception (based on some similarity in the names) is that the long stay O-A and O-X visas are similar to the Non O visas. This is not the case. The Non O has some similarity to the Non B, Non Ed, Non R and various other short stay visas. Indeed, Non O ("other") is simply a catch all used for cases for which there are not specific short stay visas.

 

One website that explains the Non-Immigrant short stay visa categories well is http://www.thaiembassy.ca/en/visiting-thailand/visas/types-visas-periods-stay-fees/non-immigrant-visa. You should note that the website has separate sections for the completely different O-A and O-X (long stay) visas which are always multiple entry.

[Alsyapal]

I'm confused for the 1 year retirement visa will they take a combination of  pension + lump sum savings into account like they used to??

[ubonjoe]

16 minutes ago, Alsyapal said:

I'm confused for the 1 year retirement visa will they take a combination of  pension + lump sum savings into account like they used to??

I assume you are asking about a OA long stay visa for retirement issued by the embassy in London. The answer for it is yes they will accept a combination of income and money in the bank to reach a total for the equivalent of 800k baht required.