Westminster, the so-called ‘Mother of Parliaments’, Parliament is paralysed because the ruling class is hopelessly divided. The result—an hilarious farce;the whole world is laughing, and slapping its forehead in astonishment. A toxic brew of humiliation, seething factionalism and panic incites politicians to increasingly irrational behaviour and fuels civil wars within the two functionally capitalist and imperialist parties that have dominated British politics for more than a century: the Conservative Party and the Labour Party.

49 minutes ago, tebee said:

Ever the brexiters tame economist, professor Minford, said brexit would destroy almost all manufacturing jobs, so it's only to be expected.

 

I'm not convinced service jobs can fill  in the slack  for all those made unemployed through this.   

"Why do I get the feeling that when we leave the EU and the world doesn't end, a lot of the remainers on here will be upset that the world hasn't ended." 'Tom Harwood.'

1 hour ago, vogie said:

"Why do I get the feeling that when we leave the EU and the world doesn't end, a lot of the remainers on here will be upset that the world hasn't ended." 'Tom Harwood.'

I hate to disillusion you but nobody on here thinks the world is going to come to an end. Only those with their head in the sand think things will carry on as they were.

It is of little interest to the brexiteer, but for many, brexit has already brought their world as they knew it to an end.

26 minutes ago, sandyf said:

I hate to disillusion you but nobody on here thinks the world is going to come to an end. Only those with their head in the sand think things will carry on as they were.

It is of little interest to the brexiteer, but for many, brexit has already brought their world as they knew it to an end.

I rest my case m,lud.

2 hours ago, tebee said:

Ever the brexiters tame economist, professor Minford, said brexit would destroy almost all manufacturing jobs, so it's only to be expected.

 

I'm not convinced service jobs can fill  in the slack  for all those made unemployed through this.   

Your probably right the way things stand at the moment. Necessity is the mother of invention and work will come from other directions, but certainly not in the short term.

Sheffield is a good example of a city that transitioned from an industrial base to something else over about 25 years. Now about 87% of the labour force is employed in enterprises classed as "micro", less than 10 employees. Job density is in the order of 3 jobs for every 4 people, about 10 percent below the national average.

Of course the city had a significant boost in the leisure and service sectors from the World Student games.

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

I rest my case m,lud.

Says it all, no regard for those that brexit has brought hardship and quite callous in respect of those that brexit has put to rest permanently.

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

Says it all, no regard for those that brexit has brought hardship and quite callous in respect of those that brexit has put to rest permanently.

What is that supposed to mean?

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

Says it all, no regard for those that brexit has brought hardship and quite callous in respect of those that brexit has put to rest permanently.

And you sir have no respect for a democratic vote which well over half our nation chose to leave the EU. It has been 3 years of doom and gloom we have had to endure from the remainers, just because the result hasn't gone their way. I feel sure if the result had been in your favour you would not be getting the insults we have to endure on a daily basis, we would have respected the decision and got on with our lives.

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

And you sir have no respect for a democratic vote which well over half our nation chose to leave the EU. It has been 3 years of doom and gloom we have had to endure from the remainers, just because the result hasn't gone their way. I feel sure if the result had been in your favour you would not be getting the insults we have to endure on a daily basis, we would have respected the decision and got on with our lives.

The problem is no one has been able to find a way of delivering brexit that will be anything like what the leave side promised before the referendum. 

 

There is this nasty elephant in the room.....

 

11 minutes ago, tebee said:

The problem is no one has been able to find a way of delivering brexit that will be anything like what the leave side promised before the referendum. 

 

There is this nasty elephant in the room.....

 

Yes, the EU infiltrates everywhere.

18 minutes ago, tebee said:

The problem is no one has been able to find a way of delivering brexit that will be anything like what the leave side promised before the referendum. 

The problem is that no one had the enthusiasm or the will to deliver brexit, had there been a brexiteer at the helm instead of the May/Robbins tag team we may have stood a chance. Parliament has let the people down very badly, they agreed to ask the country a question and they agreed to act on that question, then reneged on their decision.

Oliver Cromwell says it best.

 

41 minutes ago, vogie said:

And you sir have no respect for a democratic vote which well over half our nation chose to leave the EU. It has been 3 years of doom and gloom we have had to endure from the remainers, just because the result hasn't gone their way. I feel sure if the result had been in your favour you would not be getting the insults we have to endure on a daily basis, we would have respected the decision and got on with our lives.

it wasn't over half the nation that voted to leave the EU. It was 30.61%

53.4% of those who voted, chose to vote leave, that is 15,188,406 votes out of a total voter base of 46,501,241 

 

1 minute ago, bannork said:

it wasn't over half the nation that voted to leave the EU. It was 30.61%

53.4% of those who voted, chose to vote leave, that is 15,188,406 votes out of a total voter base of 46,501,241 

 

Which ever way you want to spin it, more people voted to leave than remain.

24 minutes ago, bannork said:

it wasn't over half the nation that voted to leave the EU. It was 30.61%

53.4% of those who voted, chose to vote leave, that is 15,188,406 votes out of a total voter base of 46,501,241 

 

Oooh noo. Not again.

 
     Wont affect expats, directly or indirectly .
        Yorkshire forums , would be more suited , for your opinions..
      
 
 

So you think that Yorkshire men should not be allowed to post on a TVF Brexit topic? All and sundry from around the world is allowed to spout off their own opinions, even if it does not affect them at all.

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Which ever way you want to spin it, more people voted to leave than remain.

These posters just cant accept it. If you don't go to the party (go and vote) you can't complain you missed the action. It just makes you look like you are a sore loser, undemocratic and have contempt for the laws of the land.

Where I am from the term used for someone like this, is less than polite.

9 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

These posters just cant accept it. If you don't go to the party (go and vote) you can't complain you missed the action. It just makes you look like you are a sore loser, undemocratic and have contempt for the laws of the land.

Where I am from the term used for someone like this, is less than polite.

I just feel that for three years now we have had to justify winning a democratic referendum, but what is apparent is that leavers are doing what is best for our country, whilst remainers seem to be doing what is best for themselves.

16 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

These posters just cant accept it. If you don't go to the party (go and vote) you can't complain you missed the action. It just makes you look like you are a sore loser, undemocratic and have contempt for the laws of the land.

Where I am from the term used for someone like this, is less than polite.

The fact is only 30.61% of the adult UK population voted to leave.

Not so many, is it?

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

I just feel that for three years now we have had to justify winning a democratic referendum, but what is apparent is that leavers are doing what is best for our country, whilst remainers seem to be doing what is best for themselves.

Is there any international figure of repute who thinks the UK leaving the EU is a good idea?

9 minutes ago, bannork said:

Is there any international figure of repute who thinks the UK leaving the EU is a good idea?

The referendum figures are the ones to look at, but it seems you look at figures that fits in with your narrative and not the real figures that tells the full story.

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

Is there any international figure of repute who thinks the UK leaving the EU is a good idea?

Johnny Rotten.

9 minutes ago, bannork said:

The fact is only 30.61% of the adult UK population voted to leave.

Not so many, is it?

Not as many as 37.44%, which is the correct number.

5 minutes ago, bannork said:

Is there any international figure of repute who thinks the UK leaving the EU is a good idea?

And that is your biggest issue. You have bought into this global mindset that together we are all looking after each other. Its the fact all the international figure as you mention, all want the same thing. The fact that you cant see it is quite sad. I have a feeling that you may never see it.

 

9 minutes ago, bannork said:

The fact is only 30.61% of the adult UK population voted to leave.

Not so many, is it?

How many couldn't be bothered to vote?

 

Answer 12,948,018 or 28.45%. Not so few was it.

 

I took the figures from here and used a simple calculator to get the figures

 

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/electorate-and-count-information

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

How many couldn't be bothered to vote?

 

Answer 12,948,018 or 28.45%. Not so few was it.

 

I took the figures from here and used a simple calculator to get the figures

 

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/electorate-and-count-information

So 12,948,018 couldn't be bothered to vote and 16,141,241 voted to remain, whilst 17,410,742 voted to leave.

So only 17,410,742 voted to leave whilst 29,089,259 voted to remain or couldn't be bothered to leave.

It's not exactly a ringing majority to leave, is it?

1 hour ago, vogie said:

I just feel that for three years now we have had to justify winning a democratic referendum, but what is apparent is that leavers are doing what is best for our country, whilst remainers seem to be doing what is best for themselves.

You think that destroying 20% of businesses and 1 job in 6 is what's best for the country ?

 

I'm not sure that that manifesto would gain to many votes....

1 minute ago, bannork said:

So 12,948,018 couldn't be bothered to vote and 16,141,241 voted to remain, whilst 17,410,742 voted to leave.

So only 17,410,742 voted to leave whilst 29,089,259 voted to remain or couldn't be bothered to leave.

It's not exactly a ringing majority to leave, is it?

No, it was quite close.

Why is it , when I see a photo of Boris , any photo I see an image in my mind of a  clown and not a Prime Minister in waiting ?

8 minutes ago, tebee said:

You think that destroying 20% of businesses and 1 job in 6 is what's best for the country ?

 

I'm not sure that that manifesto would gain to many votes....

How many votes would selling our soul to the devil get?

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No, it was quite close.

It's not close at all, only 33% of the population voted to leave.