Mueller report shows evidence Trump committed crimes, House Judiciary chairman says

[webfact]

Mueller report shows evidence Trump committed crimes, House Judiciary chairman says

By Sarah N. Lynch

 

U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller departs after delivering a statement on his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election at the Justice Department in Washington, U.S., May 29, 2019. REUTERS/Jim Bourg/Files

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top Democrat on the U.S. House Judiciary Committee said Sunday he believes there is "substantial evidence" that President Donald Trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors, and he plans to ask former Special Counsel Robert Mueller to present those facts at a congressional hearing on Wednesday.

 

"The report presents very substantial evidence that the president is guilty of high crime and misdemeanors, and we have to let Mueller present those facts to the American people and then see where we go from there," House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler said on "Fox News Sunday."

 

"The administration must be held accountable, and no president can be above the law."

 

Nadler's comments are significant because evidence of such crimes would be required if Democrats pursue impeachment proceedings against the president.

 

Mueller completed his nearly two-year long probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election in March, and the Justice Department released a redacted copy of his report in April.

 

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff says part of the goal of the Mueller hearings this week is to ensure the public gets the opportunity to hear the report's findings. Rough Cut (no reporter narration).

In two nationally televised back-to-back hearings on Wednesday before the House Judiciary and Intelligence committees, Democrats are expected to try to get special counsel Robert Mueller to focus his testimony on specific examples of President Trump's misconduct.

In an interview on CBS' 'Face the Nation,' Schiff said, "Most Americans in their busy lives haven't had the opportunity to read that report, and it is a pretty dry, prosecutorial work product. We want Bob Mueller to bring it to life... It's a pretty damning set of facts."

Mueller completed his nearly two-year long probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election in March, and the Justice Department released a redacted copy of his report in April.

By having Mueller lay bare the unflattering details of how Trump tried to stymie the investigation into his campaign, Democrats hope they can build support for their ongoing investigations into the President and potentially, impeachment proceedings.

Some Democrats in Congress support impeaching Trump, but they have not managed to win traction from House Democratic leadership including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has preferred a more cautious approach that entails conducting congressional fact-finding investigations into Trump's conduct.

 

In two nationally televised back-to-back hearings on Wednesday before the House Judiciary and Intelligence committees, Democrats are expected to try and get Mueller to focus his testimony on specific examples of Trump's misconduct.

 

By having Mueller lay bare the unflattering details of how Trump tried to stymie the investigation into his campaign, Democrats hope they can build support for their ongoing investigations into the president and potentially, impeachment proceedings.

 

Some Democrats in Congress support impeaching Trump, but they have not managed to win traction from House Democratic leadership including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has preferred a more cautious approach that entails conducting congressional fact-finding investigations into Trump's conduct.

 

Last week, the House voted 332-95 to table an impeachment resolution.

 

The Mueller report laid out numerous contacts between Russian officials and Trump's campaign, but found no evidence of a criminal conspiracy.

 

It also gave examples of 10 incidents in which Trump sought to hinder the investigation, but it did not draw any conclusions on whether Trump obstructed justice. Attorney General William Barr later concluded he did not see enough evidence to bring obstruction charges.

 

Whether Democrats will get Mueller to discuss Trump's conduct in detail remains to be seen.

 

Mueller has made it clear he has no desire to appear before Congress, saying the report is his testimony, and he is also notorious for being tight-lipped and for giving one-word answers in hearings.

 

Adam Schiff, the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said on CBS' "Face the Nation" that part of the goal of the hearings is to ensure the American people who have not read the report can hear its findings.

 

"Most Americans in their busy lives haven't had the opportunity to read that report, and it is a pretty dry, prosecutorial work product. We want Bob Mueller to bring it to life... It's a pretty damning set of facts," he said.

 

Nadler said on Fox that Democrats plan to ask very specific questions about Trump's obstructive conduct and ask Mueller to read passages from the report aloud.

 

"We hope it won't end up being a dud," he said of the hearing.

 

Nadler also said on Sunday he planned to go to court "within a couple of days" after the Mueller hearings to enforce a subpoena, after the White House ordered former White House Counsel Don McGahn not to testify about incidents he witnessed which many say show Trump tried to obstruct justice.

 

(Reporting by Sarah N. Lynch; Editing by Lisa Shumaker and Rosalba O'Brien)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-07-22

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[sirineou]

 We heard trump's side of what the report said, Now let's hear what Mueller has to say.

If trump is correct in his assessment of the report he has nothing to worry.

In fact he should welcome it as confirmation of his assessment. 

Edited July 21, 2019 by sirineou

[OneMoreFarang]

Let's imagine for a moment there would be clear evidence that Trump raped someone while he was in office, maybe a black maid.

I never heard of such a claim so this it only theoretical.

 

What would happen?

Would his supporters care?

Would many politicians of the republican party care? Would they impeach him?

It seems for American politicians, like many other politicians around the world, their job is about having power and making money and making sure the others don't take over.

Honesty? Justice? Working for the people? Those seem to be old fashion concepts they don't care about.

 

Trump should have resigned in shame long time ago. Before he was elected he should have told the crowd: You know, this was a joke, I didn't want to get elected. Are you all nuts and take me serious?

Now the party whose majority of members opposed him when he started his campaign works only for him. Disgusting!

 

Edited July 21, 2019 by OneMoreFarang

[Thainesss]

24 minutes ago, webfact said:

The report presents very substantial evidence that the president is guilty of high crime and misdemeanors, and we have to let Mueller present those facts to the American people and then see where we go from there," House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler said

 

24 minutes ago, webfact said:

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff says part of the goal of the Mueller hearings this week is to ensure the public gets the opportunity to hear the report's findings. Rough Cut

 

Nadler. Schiff. 

 

Political broken records doing nothing but playing politics trying to keep this whole sham alive and in the news for political purposes. 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

 

Nadler. Schiff. 

 

Political broken records doing nothing but playing politics trying to keep this whole sham alive and in the news for political purposes. 

What sham? I don't see any sham. I see 10 counts of obstruction of justice which fit as high crimes worthy of impeachment proceedings. 

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Let's imagine for a moment there would be clear evidence that Trump raped someone while he was in office, maybe a black maid.

I never heard of such a claim so this it only theoretical.

 

What would happen?

Would his supporters care?

Would many politicians of the republican party care? Would they impeach him?

It seems for American politicians, like many other politicians around the world, their job is about having power and making money and making sure the others don't take over.

Honesty? Justice? Working for the people? Those seem to be old fashion concepts they don't care about.

 

Trump should have resigned in shame long time ago. Before he was elected he should have told the crowd: You know, this was a joke, I didn't want to get elected. Are you all nuts and take me serious?

Now the party whose majority of members opposed him when he started his campaign works only for him. Disgusting!

 

There are credible claims in court documents of Trump committing far worse crimes and yet still his base support him.

 

 

[Thainesss]

19 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Let's imagine for a moment there would be clear evidence that Trump raped someone while he was in office, maybe a black maid.

 

What a twisted thing to think about. 

 

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There are credible claims in court documents of Trump committing far worse crimes and yet still his base support him.

 

This thread has really taken off ????

[Thainesss]

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What sham? I don't see any sham. I see 10 counts of obstruction of justice which fit as high crimes worthy of impeachment proceedings. 

 

Do it then. Whatcha waiting for? 

 

Just the other day your political allies blocked impeachment proceedings, yet here those same people are trying to put Mueller front and center talking about impeachment proceedings. 

[OneMoreFarang]

22 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

this whole sham

So obstruction of justice is a sham for you. Yeah, sure! Just a little crime, who cares?

[Thainesss]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So obstruction of justice is a sham for you. Yeah, sure! Just a little crime, who cares?

 

Democrats have tabled impeachment proceedings multiple times now, yet want to keep this trash alive in the media for political purposes. 

 

Its a sham. If its not a sham, like our resident liberals believe, then the Dems need to start proceedings, but they wont, because its political suicide, because its all a sham and political grandstanding. 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 minute ago, Thainesss said:

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So obstruction of justice is a sham for you. Yeah, sure! Just a little crime, who cares?

Democrats have tabled impeachment proceedings multiple times now, yet want to keep this trash alive in the media for political purposes. 

 

Its a sham. If its not a sham, like our resident liberals believe, then the Dems need to start proceedings, but they wont, because its political suicide, because its all a sham and political grandstanding. 

Let's make it clear: Do you personally think that people who obstruct justice should be punished? Yes or No?

[Somtamnication]

Yeah, we know about that report. Why wait 4 months to state that he committed high crimes and misdemeanors? Times are running out, Mr. Chairman!

[Tug]

5 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Do it then. Whatcha waiting for? 

 

Just the other day your political allies blocked impeachment proceedings, yet here those same people are trying to put Mueller front and center talking about impeachment proceedings. 

Naaa it’s a losing proposition because all the republicans are terrified of him the dems know it and just this week all the Cohen stuff was released so rack up another felony for Donald but Donald gets bonus points he should get 3 times the time for what he directed his underling to do for him and this wendsday we have the muller testimony see you at the voting booth in 2020

[Thainesss]

14 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Let's make it clear: Do you personally think that people who obstruct justice should be punished? Yes or No?

 

I personally think that Democrats are a day late and several dollars short on trying to apply some kind of morality to political discourse at this moment considering all the 'obstruction of justice' they've committed in the past and covered for. 

 

So ill be damned if morality is going to be applied conveniently when their foe is in office, and not within their own ranks as it happens. 

 

[quandow]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

 We heard trump's side of what the report said, Now let's hear what Mueller has to say.

If trump is correct in his assessment of the report he has nothing to worry.

In fact he should welcome it as confirmation of his assessment. 

And that's EXACTLY why Trump has fought so hard against honest honest exposure of these facts, starting with lying Barr denouncing the facts before the report was made available to the public.

[quandow]

5 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

I personally think that Democrats are a day late and several dollars short on trying to apply some kind of morality to political discourse at this moment considering all the 'obstruction of justice' they've committed in the past and covered for. 

 

So ill be damned if morality is going to be applied conveniently when their foe is in office, and not within their own ranks as it happens. 

 

While you're correct in assessing most ALL politicians are crooked as a dog's hind leg, we can't use that as an excuse to give this president a pass.

[Thainesss]

2 minutes ago, quandow said:

While you're correct in assessing most ALL politicians are crooked as a dog's hind leg, we can't use that as an excuse to give this president a pass.

 

Trash. 

 

Democrats have been given passes for decades and do not get to all-of-a-sudden claim the moral high ground because their foe is in office. Until they start removing their own trash and stop playing political games with peoples lives then they can have the pulpit. Until then its all a political sham. 

[quandow]

4 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Trash. 

 

Democrats have been given passes for decades and do not get to all-of-a-sudden claim the moral high ground because their foe is in office. Until they start removing their own trash and stop playing political games with peoples lives then they can have the pulpit. Until then its all a political sham. 

No. You can't use the "They did it so why can't he?" defense. That's a red herring. They should all be taken to task, you have to start somewhere. I am NOT defending guilty Democrats, I'm saying line them ALL up and spank them accordingly.

[Thainesss]

Just now, quandow said:

Not at all. Trump has publicly proclaimed some sick things that would completely support him raping:

 

Dunno if you want to go down this road and see what Democrat presidents and politicians have said about women over the last 2 decades but we can if you want to go for moral equivalence. 

[bendejo]

48 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Let's imagine for a moment there would be clear evidence that Trump raped someone while he was in office, maybe a black maid.

I never heard of such a claim so this it only theoretical.

He would never admit it.

The Attorney General is his patsy, which makes him above the law.

It would be fake news, a conspiracy by the Dems, etc.

"Look at what they're saying about me, your favorite president!"

 

Did you really have to ask?

 

Somewhere in a fever dream it turns out William Barr is on a one-man mission to bring him down good and proper: he's playing the royal-flush sycophant until he hooks his fish good and proper with something the orange guy can't hide or run from.  Checkmate!

And then I woke up.

People are putting their hopes on him getting voted out, but it's foolish to assume he'll actually go, he'll be crying foul, again the poor victim.  (recall in the days leading up to the 2016 election he was already crying about unfairness)

 

Is the US ready for a military coup?  Not long ago I saw a retired big-brass Pentagon guy on a talk show, said there were people talking about how to handle it if he gets voted out but refuses to concede.  He wouldn't elaborate.

 

 

[Thainesss]

Just now, quandow said:

They should all be taken to task, you have to start somewhere.

 

So, conveniently, we start with political foes and use it as political ammunition. 

 

Right. 

[quandow]

11 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Dunno if you want to go down this road and see what Democrat presidents and politicians have said about women over the last 2 decades but we can if you want to go for moral equivalence. 

You keep trying the "They did it so why can't we?" illogical approach. It doesn't work if you apply even the slightest modicum of critical thinking. Sorry, that dog don't hunt.

[quandow]

12 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

So, conveniently, we start with political foes and use it as political ammunition. 

 

Right. 

So you would suggest ALL criminals should be ignored. Nope. Next.

[Thainesss]

4 minutes ago, quandow said:

Sorry, that dog don't hunt.

 

3 minutes ago, quandow said:

Nope. Next.

 

Which conveniently deflects from Democrat politicians and their womanizing antics over the last few decades that nobody seems to care about unless Trump is mentioned. 

 

Nope. Excise your ranks first and then claim the high ground. 

[metisdead]

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[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Thainesss said:

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Let's make it clear: Do you personally think that people who obstruct justice should be punished? Yes or No?

 

I personally think that Democrats are a day late and several dollars short on trying to apply some kind of morality to political discourse at this moment considering all the 'obstruction of justice' they've committed in the past and covered for. 

 

So ill be damned if morality is going to be applied conveniently when their foe is in office, and not within their own ranks as it happens. 

Thank you for evading the questions. That clearly shows you don't care about laws and justice. Case closed.

[Boon Mee]

2 hours ago, Thainesss said:

 

 

Nadler. Schiff. 

 

Political broken records doing nothing but playing politics trying to keep this whole sham alive and in the news for political purposes. 

They just can't give up, can they? 

The massive butt-hurt that has become OTT TDS because Hillary lost is really quite unbelievable! 

 

MAGA! ???? 

[Paul Henry]

Instead of all this retoric and blind obsesive squabbling I suggest the the Trump supporters read the Muller report look at the crimes and charges laid and the blatant lying and deception by AG Barr and then have a cold beer and sit and make a fair assesment of the facts rather than getting into an emotional state that their POTUS is not worthy of any office.Let his past lies,cheating, adultry and bigotory speak for its self.

Sincerly sorry for the people and country of a once great Nation that is now the laughing stock of the world.

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Thainesss said:

 

 

Which conveniently deflects from Democrat politicians and their womanizing antics over the last few decades that nobody seems to care about unless Trump is mentioned. 

 

Nope. Excise your ranks first and then claim the high ground. 

Which is just deflection. You were asked a very simple question and now do your best contortion.

 

It was a simple yes or no.

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, Paul Henry said:

Instead of all this retoric and blind obsesive squabbling I suggest the the Trump supporters read the Muller report look at the crimes and charges laid and the blatant lying and deception by AG Barr and then have a cold beer and sit and make a fair assesment of the facts rather than getting into an emotional state that their POTUS is not worthy of any office.Let his past lies,cheating, adultry and bigotory speak for its self.

Sincerly sorry for the people and country of a once great Nation that is now the laughing stock of the world.

Those feeding  Trump supporters their homogenous narrative are very aware that the vast majority of Americans have not read the Mueller report, fewer if any of his supporters have. 

 

Mueller's live testimony is a game changer, there will be no need to read the full report, the nation  will hear the unreacted highlights from Mueller himself. 

 

This will have two immediate impacts. 

 

Layout Trump's crimes in a format that all can understand and from the man who investigated those crimes. 

Expose Barr's misrepresentation of the Mueller's report for what it was, lies and obfuscation. 

 

You can fool some of the people some of the time.