Arrivals are not necessarily tourists

I call B S. Most of those numbers are being pulled from a hat. 

Anecdotal.

In Suvarnabhumi I like to get a bit of BBQ duck in the food court while waiting for a bus.

Usually insane with Chinese. A few weeks ago, half empty.

Don't know what part of HH a previous poster was referring to but where I go...dead.

Chinese down.

Westerners down.

I guess its the Indians but where are they hiding out?

They used to just come to buy TVs not really for vacation.

If the Chinese are choosing a new country for vacation Thailand is in deep trouble since these moves tend to have a herd mentality.

Factual: The latest technology available to mankind is being used to confirm accuracy of these official figures.  

10 hours ago, darksidedog said:

The real numbers are seen in the empty streets, empty bars, empty restaurants, empty hotels.

The real numbers have yet to penetrate the empty heads of the clowns sprouting this BS!

Immigration and TAT need to measure entries into the country more acurately. Not just count the number of people comming into the country eg. Overnight in transit, visa runs, gambling casino trips and business people here visiting but not as tourists. Then I think we would see a dramatic fall in genuine holidaying tourists of all nationalities. But then again sometimes the truth hurts so keep up the window dressing and just remember the warm feeling you get maybe you have just pi!!ed your pants?.

Karma!!!!   keep up on immigration ... we all gone  soon !!! 

12 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

busier off season than normal imo in Hua Hin..

Sorry, but we have a bar off Soi 94, and I can honestly say Hua Hin is officially Dead. Our Year on Year takings are Down 100,000 Baht per month. Bars and restaurants for sale all over the place.

20 to 30 % down for June from last year now after a recount it is up. You got to Love polititions .

It will also seem busy now because of the 2 long weekend Holidays in July.

5 minutes ago, AhFarangJa said:

Sorry, but we have a bar off Soi 94, and I can honestly say Hua Hin is officially Dead. Year on Year takings are Down 100,000 Baht per month. Bars and restaurants for sale all over the place.

You're right, bars and restaurants for sale all over the place...true. We were in a bar off Soi 94 last night and there were about 10 patrons total. Every one of them was an expat, not a single tourist. Hope business gets better for you and you can survive the low season, but certainly doesn't look good overall.

6 minutes ago, AhFarangJa said:

Sorry, but we have a bar off Soi 94, and I can honestly say Hua Hin is officially Dead. Year on Year takings are Down 100,000 Baht per month. Bars and restaurants for sale all over the place.

What percentage is 100k of usual monthly takings, 10% down, 90% down. how many years to compare with ?

Saw this story this morning, not sure it will get a run as its positve and by default must be not true, lol.

 

https://thepattayanews.com/2019/07/22/ministry-of-tourism-releases-official-half-year-tourism-statistics-slight-increase-indians-drive-tourism/?fbclid=IwAR3tuHsIJ2x7K8XToGma1wJfhvdW4JKohq2DOE4qiHGJ07Z6P7M3YV1SnpQ

11 hours ago, Sujo said:

Malaysians dont say that. Thats arabic. Malay word for god is tuhan. Malaysians dont like arabs.

 

60% of malaysians are muslim. So could be lots of chinese malays crossing the border. But then there are enough girls of the night in malaysia not to need to go. Unless they prefer thai.

But Muhammed was an Arab and they seem to like him, right?

These numbers are as reliable as the Soviet wheat harvest figures during Stalin's reign.

3 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

What percentage is 100k of usual monthly takings, 10% down, 90% down. how many years to compare with ?

We have had the bar since April 2016. Up until last October monthly takings were averaging 150k to 180k. Now it is 50k to 60k per month. Just enough to pay staff, rent, electric. Not a lot else. 

 

11 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

Allahu Akbar!

Most of the farang tourist have same agenda. Holy Cow!.

Seems something in common with the Indians ????

11 hours ago, Sujo said:

Malaysians dont say that. Thats arabic. Malay word for god is tuhan. Malaysians dont like arabs.

 

60% of malaysians are muslim. So could be lots of chinese malays crossing the border. But then there are enough girls of the night in malaysia not to need to go. Unless they prefer thai.

Dont waste time educating "old" ignorants.

"The 3.05 million tourists in June spent about 150 billion baht"

I often wonder how the spending totals each month are established. I have been here about 15 years and cross the border approximately each 3 months but have never been asked what I spend. Not sure I would know ?

As for the 3.05 million tourists, I also wonder how many of them are like me, and leave and arrive about four times each year and are not "real" tourists ?

Massaging figures will be all there is to do soon... customers are leaving.

Again, I am appalled over the extremely good weed quite - quite obviously - is being smoked down by the boys at the TAT. 

They juggle with figures at the TAT as if there is no tomorrow - typically for our hosts to make them look good, whatever the real situation is. 

A rabbit is staring into the light of a torch light. The first shot misses right, the second shot misses to the rabbit's left = by statistics the rabbit got killed twice! 

China may be a big source of tourists but certainly not income.

Chinese come on the cheapest group tour they can find and are not known to actually buy much when here.

i was in a leather shop in in Chiang Mai where all the tour busses take people getting a new leather bag for wallet, cellphone stuff.

I did notice when they were getting back on the bus.........only 4-5 of the entire full bus load had actually bought anything.

I was talking to one of my wifes running club the other day ,he has a business that caters for quite a lot of European expats as well as Thais ,he asked me what was happening ,as there are hardly any expats coming to him any longer ,they all seem to have disapeared and the ones who do come spend far less , I just told him i assumed it was the fact the baht is now so strong ,people are "tightening their belts" so to speak . and to be honest ,stuff that we would usually done straight away around the home ,we now dont bother ,or do it ourselves .

15 minutes ago, Captain 776 said:

China may be a big source of tourists but certainly not income.

Chinese come on the cheapest group tour they can find and are not known to actually buy much when here.

i was in a leather shop in in Chiang Mai where all the tour busses take people getting a new leather bag for wallet, cellphone stuff.

I did notice when they were getting back on the bus.........only 4-5 of the entire full bus load had actually bought anything.

I was at Central Embassy in Bangkok - loaded with Chinese tourists buying everything in sight.  They also buy condos for cash as they are trying to get money out of China.  Do your research about spending habits of Chinese tourists.  What is the ratio now?  1000 Chinese to one European?  They really don't have to spend as much to be a massive economic force.  

19 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

Again, I am appalled over the extremely good weed quite - quite obviously - is being smoked down by the boys at the TAT. 

They juggle with figures at the TAT as if there is no tomorrow - typically for our hosts to make them look good, whatever the real situation is. 

A rabbit is staring into the light of a torch light. The first shot misses right, the second shot misses to the rabbit's left = by statistics the rabbit got killed twice! 

https://www.edx.org/learn/statistics

June arrivals could have been been up 0.96%... if only those people making up the difference between 0.89% and 0.96% weren't still stuck in the immigration cue at Suvarnabhumi.

23 minutes ago, cracker1 said:

"The 3.05 million tourists in June spent about 150 billion baht"

I often wonder how the spending totals each month are established. I have been here about 15 years and cross the border approximately each 3 months but have never been asked what I spend. Not sure I would know ?

As for the 3.05 million tourists, I also wonder how many of them are like me, and leave and arrive about four times each year and are not "real" tourists ?

They do a survey across a target group and can give you information about that group plus or minus a couple percent accuracy.  This is how unemployment numbers are arrived at in America and most countries and most other things that back in olden times were counted now it is done by survey as it would be too expensive to ask everyone - started in the 1930's.

13 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

busier off season than normal imo in Hua Hin..

That's my missus and daughter I sent down there for a holiday [for my ears].

we can do anything with statistics like the tourists numbers of course and the spending they say is up but if you look at the baht which has risen 14% in the last year you will see that spending is down considerably even if you believe the numbers coming from TOT.

so the sooner they devalue the baht the better of they will not have a choice as businesses are suffering with the high baht with exports and tourists, if tourism is 12% of gdp then watch out when it drops to say 8% of gdp which will happen sooner rather than later.

The stats in Australia tells us that people are not going overseas in the numbers of years gone by but spending their tourist dollars domestically.

10 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

I was talking to one of my wifes running club the other day ,he has a business that caters for quite a lot of European expats as well as Thais ,he asked me what was happening ,as there are hardly any expats coming to him any longer ,they all seem to have disapeared and the ones who do come spend far less , I just told him i assumed it was the fact the baht is now so strong ,people are "tightening their belts" so to speak . and to be honest ,stuff that we would usually done straight away around the home ,we now dont bother ,or do it ourselves .

Another thing I've noticed is that prices have gone up a little. I've had my eye on a second laptop in a shop at the mall. Last time I was there the price had gone up about 2000 baht. I know it is the same laptop I looked at before. Also, I regularly bought an item at the supermarket that had 6 pieces to the package. Price is the same, but now only 5 pieces to the package. I thought maybe a packaging mistake so I checked other packages. All had only 5 pieces now. Less value for your money + increased prices = disaster.