Stay without visa or desert you Children

[elcaro]

Leave, but with my wife and child. People saying that is not an option are not trying hard enough.

[FruitPudding]

I'd get the visa based on having a child obviously

[lagavulin1]

20 hours ago, sanemax said:

Yes, but for whatever reason, you were unable to get a visa and you just had two options ?

It specifically says if visa unavailable. 

It also does not say abandon. Support from abroad is therefore an option. 

[TRJ82]

The Thai government is racist. Once the majority of foreigners leave. The Thai economy will be the worse in Southeast Asia. 

[sanemax]

12 hours ago, amykat said:

Sanemax,  isn’t your son a British citizen?  Shouldn’t you be working on securing that paperwork as it being the most valuable for his future, rather than a stateless existence in a Hill Tribe?  You could bring him back without financial qualifications I’m pretty sure, if he is a citizen, right?  You just can’t bring women back with you.

 

 

Yes, my boy can get UK passport..................but if I got him a UK PP now , that would make him ineligible to receive Thai citizenship .

   One of the requirements for stateless people gaining Thai citizenship is that they have no affiliation with any other Country .

 Also , I would need his mothers permission to take him out of Thailand and she isnt going to allow that

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, elcaro said:

Leave, but with my wife and child. People saying that is not an option are not trying hard enough.

How would you get the wife and child out of Thailand , if they have no travel documents ?

  Where would you go to and would that place be any better ? 

[ancharee]

20 hours ago, Matzzon said:

And for some it is, so it should have been as a choice to make your servey worth something.

I can not for my life understand, how it can be impossible to bring your family to your home country. If the family agree, that will say. Can you plaease explain that to me. What more can be impossible?

 

In my country you need approx. 75,000 pounds in the bank or salary of 35,000 a year so for someone without the cash in the bank and living on a pension it would be impossible to take your family back, so I suppose it would be a agent.

[Matzzon]

15 minutes ago, ancharee said:

In my country you need approx. 75,000 pounds in the bank or salary of 35,000 a year so for someone without the cash in the bank and living on a pension it would be impossible to take your family back, so I suppose it would be a agent.

That contributes to over a million baht of salury a year or equivalent to money in the bank of approx 3 million baht. Oh dear, then it´s definately nothing to conplain about in Thailand. Only 400k. Now that sound like a real steal.

[chuang]

Get an agent then look at your life all over

[Caldera]

If I had children in Thailand and couldn't stay any longer, I would neither overstay nor leave them behind - they would come with me. If I had to bribe or kill to take them along, I would.

 

That said, I couldn't imagine to subject my own children to Thailand's abysmal education system, so it's a moot point really.

[justin case]

2 hours ago, FruitPudding said:

I'd get the visa based on having a child obviously

listen to me:  try that when your wife is in hiding and took birth certificate, passports (thai & farang), id card, blue book of your child ...

 

for immigration , YOU have a problem that they will not help you solve (to stay in Thailand with your child !) ... END OF LINE...

 

no papers = NO FREAKING VISA either

 

 

 

 

[jimn]

OP you must be really bored with your life

[StevieAus]

21 hours ago, madmen said:

Those other embassies didn't panic . OZ ,yanks and poms threw in the towel immediately 

I don’t know what the other embassies did but in relation to the Australian Embassy all that was provided was what is called a Statutory Declaration which is a statement made by the individual.

In other words I provided a written statement declaring how much Pension  I received monthly and annually.

An official from the Embassy witnessed my signature, I understand that Thai Immigration wanted the Australian  Embassy to confirm that the information contained in the declaration was correct

The Embassy I understand advised that it was not their role to confirm that the statement was correct and in any event had no way of confirming this.

They are legally and practically right on both counts

In my case even if they wished to try to confirm the information they could not as I receive a non government pension.

If this is throwing in the towel so be it.

[nickmondo]

On 7/27/2019 at 4:47 PM, worgeordie said:

Not another post about how hard it is to get a visa, and the TM30, plus 90 day,

posts, enough already.

regards worgeordie

i agree, getting really boring now.

[Suradit69]

On July 27, 2019 at 4:44 PM, sanemax said:

Yes, but for whatever reason, you were unable to get a visa

Yes , but a component of the issue requires a reason you weren't sable get permission to stay in Thailand.

Maybe you were just too clueless to manage to understand your immigrations options or maybe you're a serial killer, in which case the children would be better off without you.

 

 

 

[Suradit69]

On July 27, 2019 at 4:47 PM, worgeordie said:

Not another post about how hard it is to get a visa, and the TM30, plus 90 day,

posts, enough already.

regards worgeordie

 

And most of the posts and responses are filled with half truths or problems that exist only in their imaginations.

 

Makes you wonder how so many of the perpetual whiners managed during their lives in Farangland. Apparently many of them relied on social services or were in mandated care because they couldn't cope with simplest changes in their lives.

[DJ54]

As others said the gripe about tightening down visa,extension has been beat to death. 

 

To answer your question.... The person would be between a rock and a hard place....

 

Stay with no visa and if caught and put in the clink. Or leave so you at least can work and send money to your family for support.

 

yes for some it was be easy...   maybe cut back when you can and

safe enough to do whatever ethos works for you. 

 

It’s me my wife and 3 nephews, 1 niece. 2 sisters , Mama Papa ...

some days I’d like to run out on them but I couldn’t. I’m 65 and the 

clocks ticking .. 4 heart operations but survived... 

 

My children are 42 girl and 43 boy ... Both paid their own way thru school daughter bachelor degree, son master rs and working on doctorate. Very very proud of them. 

 

i hope I’m around long enough so the wife and family can learn a bit, try and save and hopefully make good decisions or at least better ones.

 

Up here in the NE getting an education for most the farmers won’t 

happen. I did here that the Education system is going extend the years of little or no money for education. Now at 8th grace most 

in the village are done with school. 

 

Supposedly the Education/Govt is going to do something so all

children have an opportunity for a better education..

 

lets hope so..

[1FinickyOne]

On 7/27/2019 at 5:24 PM, sanemax said:

its hardly "adult" behavior to dismiss my poll

ok - I'll play along... though at the moment visa is not close to being even a minor problem for me... 

 

I would not stay illegally. Both my wife and niece [who I have been raising as a daughter] have very strong ties here to family and schooling. 

I would send them $$ so they were ok... I would message with them every night... and come visit every time I am allowed to do it legally. 

 

All that said, my heart goes out to the ones who cannot afford to live here and setting up in another country and running 2 households would be impossible... 

[madmen]

52 minutes ago, DJ54 said:

Or leave so you at least can work and send money to your family for support.

How is that going to work? Most are pensioners who can barely afford to live in Thailand ..60 years plus and they will set themselves up back in first world and then by some miracle find a job and lose the pension? and support their family here..

 

Wont happen.  Agent Agent anyone can drop 15 to 20k with a bit of planning

Edited July 28, 2019 by madmen

[rickudon]

 I must admit a very unlikely black and white choice. I said leave because out of the country you would have options - Try and get a visa for child to your home country, get short term visas or even visa exempt - better that your kids see you for a couple of months a year than not for 10 years......

 

You fix your problem, even if it means working while a pensioner (no problem doing this in UK). I retired and worked part-time for 2 years before moving to Thailand. Much more you can do while free, rather than in hiding waiting for that knock on the door.

 

My second home in Malaysia is unlikely to be of any use - the financial requirements are greater than a Thai retirement visa..

[MarkyM3]

On 7/27/2019 at 12:15 PM, oldhippy said:

We Europeans (contrarily to the British) have decent wages, decent pensions and a good social security system. Why would we have to tell lies?

 

An ill-educated comment. Perhaps you might tell that to all the 20 somethings from Spain, Italy etc. I find in London working as baristas etc. because they can't find a decent entry level job in their own country. Walk into any Pret or Starbucks in central London and you'll do well to find someone who is a UK citizen. Youth unemployment is crippling in many parts of southern Europe. Average wage levels for those who do work aren't exactly stellar either. 

 

Meanwhile, I'm comfortably earning more in the UK (IT specialist) than I was offered in similar roles in financial services in Munich, Brussels etc.  So not quite sure where your wage comparisons are drawn from.....please do tell. 

 

Pensions - would semi-agree, UK state pensions suck but private pension provision is somewhat higher in the UK than European countries which tends to swing the balance back to an extent. Also a key point is several countries are paying out at unsustainable levels. Property ownership including second property ownership is also higher than in mainland Europe.

 

Social security - way too many people taking advantage of the generosity in UK social security. One reason it's been a magnet for migrants, legal or otherwise. It's supposed to be a safety net, not a means of living long-term on it - which is not what has been happening in some cases. It's also easy to defraud....

Edited July 28, 2019 by MarkyM3

[MarkyM3]

OP - if you are not able to meet the Thai income requirements and you are UK-born and still work then best bet is probably for you to get back to the UK and apply for your dependents to come when you are able to meet the UK minimum requirements. The minimum requirement for a spouse and one child is currently £22400 annual income - which can come from many sources, not just employment. That is pretty reasonable, the first £12500 of income is tax-free in UK.

 

Holidays in the meantime until you can re-establish your finances.

 

It's a tough choice but the situation is obviously not sustainable unless it's a short term blip and you expect to meet the Thai minimum income requirements again in the near future. Otherwise, your future is bleak. 

 

And of course - abandoning your own flesh and blood is not an option. Separation must be temporary. 

 

I am in a long-term relationship with a Thai - now engaged - but am having to deal with separation issues because I am not in a position to spend a lot of time overseas (I work in UK, she is in Bangkok). So I have some appreciation of the difficulties it can bring. Life is not easy sometimes. 

 

Edited July 28, 2019 by MarkyM3

[Mitkof Island]

If you get caught then what? It could be years before you are aloud to return to see your children. Be legal or expect the worst.

[Denim]

<deleted> me ! Why ask such a question here ? What is the concerned person gonna do ? Take an average of the replys then act on the average ?

 

Is this how the future looks ? We can't man up and make a decision based on conscience. We have to go go online and ask the world what to do ?

 

Why ?? To deflect responsibility ?

Find a scapegoat in social networks ?

 

What is the world coming to ?

 

[ericthai]

On 7/27/2019 at 5:55 AM, sanemax said:

No it isnt , it is a question that some posters may have to deal with in reality in the future, not another post about how hard it is to get a visa , no .(And no mention of TM30 or 90 day ) 

If you have children in Thailand you can get a visa, so it's a mute question. 

[sunnyboy2018]

On 7/27/2019 at 11:34 AM, Matzzon said:

And for some it is, so it should have been as a choice to make your servey worth something.

I can not for my life understand, how it can be impossible to bring your family to your home country. If the family agree, that will say. Can you plaease explain that to me. What more can be impossible?

 

In UK you must prove a sufficient income and get medical insurance for wife and kids if the foreign family is not from EU. Anyway the Thai families could not survive an English winter, or dreadful schools or the gang violence. THEY would leave you in the UK to return to Thailand!

[sunnyboy2018]

3 hours ago, rickudon said:

 I must admit a very unlikely black and white choice. I said leave because out of the country you would have options - Try and get a visa for child to your home country, get short term visas or even visa exempt - better that your kids see you for a couple of months a year than not for 10 years......

 

You fix your problem, even if it means working while a pensioner (no problem doing this in UK). I retired and worked part-time for 2 years before moving to Thailand. Much more you can do while free, rather than in hiding waiting for that knock on the door.

 

My second home in Malaysia is unlikely to be of any use - the financial requirements are greater than a Thai retirement visa..

Really? I thought Malaysia was an easier option than Thailand?

[NightSky]

I would desert my visa and stay without children..

 

..oh no wait..

 

????

[dirkjones]

This post sounds like it's a hidden back story. Or at very least it's key details not being shared. So to understand you're asking if an adult with children who was aware their living in a country that they're depending on either a monthly or annual visa to remain in the country the desire to live in some how didn't have any real world plan for their family for the day when they're denied a visa to the point their only 2 choices is either leave their family or live illegally????? 

 

Sorry logically speaking the entire family has to relocate.

[Lacessit]

On 7/27/2019 at 9:50 AM, marcusarelus said:

I deserted my children in America to come here.  Nothing I haven't done before.  Of course they were in their 50's. 

They needed your support in their 50's? Time for them to grow up.