Opponents of 'no-deal' Brexit defeat PM Johnson, who promises an election

[david555]

8 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Reported that two more Tories defied the Whip but by my maths I would say one bet there again who did not vote?

 

rumoured Caroline Spelman was seen in the "rebels" lobby... another prominent Tory.

Caroline Nokes, who rebelled last night, did not vote this afternoon. It is not clear why.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

No, someone makes a statement. Another says it ain't true, basically calling them a liar, up to the prosecution to prove guilt.

Let me check with Judge Judy.  

[nauseus]

Just now, david555 said:

Caroline Nokes, who rebelled last night, did not vote this afternoon. It is not clear why.

Maybe it was Caroline Chokes?

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Caroline Nokes, who rebelled last night, did not vote this afternoon. It is not clear why.

Came on this morning.

[david555]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A direct evasion. Magic!

looks almost like   as Boris evasions  answers in the H.O.C.   isn't …?  lol

[Slip]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

And now the Lords are going in to bat for Boris! 

 

Can they stop Remain MPs from ruining our negotiating position by blocking no deal? It's still all to play for! 

 

Tory peers launch bid to block no-deal bill with filibuster in House of Lords

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/constitution/house-lords-reform/news/106286/tory-peers-launch-bid-block-no-deal-bill

No.  The Tory lords go into bat for Boris.  Quelle surprise as we say in Ashton-ze-la-Douche.  Filibustering is a filthy tactic, but I have no doubt the other side would be delighted to embrace it if it worked.

 

What a mess.  Thanks Cameron.

[david555]

2 minutes ago, Slip said:

No.  The Tory lords go into bat for Boris.  Quelle surprise as we say in Ashton-ze-la-Douche.  Filibustering is a filthy tactic, but I have no doubt the other side would be delighted to embrace it if it worked.

 

What a mess.  Thanks Cameron.

it was on Sky Politcs , the lords are set on limited  timetable ….before ultimate needed time ...

Edited September 4, 2019 by david555

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

No, someone makes a statement. Another says it ain't true, basically calling them a liar, up to the prosecution to prove guilt.

He asked to show that what he said was the truth, only you can twist it as to calling someone a liar. He never said it "aint true" he only asked for confirmation.

 

[Brigand]

Corbyn is a coward as he won't allow a GE without preconditions ... couldn't make it up. Only way to sort it out is a GE and let all parties clearly say what their position is, even if some are liars from last time they did it. Next GE will be a shocker one way or another and I think most MPs are terrified of one. Collectively, parliament and it's MPs have screwed-it-up along with the useless House of Lords. A lot of people just want it over. Parliament is full of self-righteous and arrogant pricks from all sides and I hope most are voted out at the next GE ... if the morons think we deserve to have one. 

[Basil B]

9 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Call GE ..........Labour, Libs, SNP vote against GE, Boris sunk.

Vote of no confidence from anybody (To try to get GE) .............Labour, Libs, SNP vote to support government, plot fails

Boris stews in his own juice, meanwhile Brexit is dumped by law, or by referendum (Anti Brexit majority now in the country and the house).

SIMPLE AS THAT     JOB DONE

Annual national holiday on the day Brexit is dumped is declared. "The day we escaped from madness" 

Nation rejoices.

 

As I understand only the leader of the opposition (Jeremy Corbyn) can call for a motion of no confidence in the government. 

 

Now is not the time, Boris is to call for a vote this evening calling for a general election another vote he is likely to lose, could go down in history as the only PM to be defeated on every vote. 

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Came on this morning.

Don't you mean Good Morning? 

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, david555 said:

looks almost like   as Boris evasions  answers in the H.O.C.   isn't …?  lol

Look..... there's another!

[Basil B]

17 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

And now the Lords are going in to bat for Boris! 

 

Can they stop Remain MPs from ruining our negotiating position by blocking no deal? It's still all to play for! 

 

Tory peers launch bid to block no-deal bill with filibuster in House of Lords

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/constitution/house-lords-reform/news/106286/tory-peers-launch-bid-block-no-deal-bill

A minority in the Lords, are going to play "silly buggers"... all they can hope for is to slow it down. 

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, Slip said:

No.  The Tory lords go into bat for Boris.  Quelle surprise as we say in Ashton-ze-la-Douche.  Filibustering is a filthy tactic, but I have no doubt the other side would be delighted to embrace it if it worked.

 

What a mess.  Thanks Cameron.

Don't worry Slip. Upper House still majority remain just like the rest of our dishonourable parliament. Bercow will probably take over proceedings and help out anyway.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Basil B said:

A minority in the Lords, are going to play "silly buggers"... all they can hope for is to slow it down. 

Why not? The whole of Westminster has been playing the same game for 3 years.

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, Basil B said:

A minority in the Lords, are going to play "silly buggers"... all they can hope for is to slow it down. 

It's still predicted to be passed by the HoL by end of play Friday and have committed to sitting on Saturday, if nessesary.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

It's still predicted to be passed by the HoL by end of play Friday and have committed to sitting on Saturday, if nessesary.

Sounds like a fortune stool.

[Slip]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Don't worry Slip. Upper House still majority remain just like the rest of our dishonourable parliament. Bercow will probably take over proceedings and help out anyway.

Soon to be Lord Bercow?  He'll just be getting ahead of the curve I guess.  The game is not over yet though.  I'm not writing off any off these shysters yet, and apart from this (one thing in my opinion) they ain't any better. 

[DannyCarlton]

Just now, nauseus said:

Sounds like a fortune stool.

No, it's a winners stool. I've told you the lion has woken and is roaring. HoL will pass the bill this week.

 

Boris plans to ignore the Bill and refuse to enact it. We will then take it straight to litigation, another win for us. If he doesn't attend court, he'll be held in contempt and locked in the cells.

 

It will also be going against Royal assent. Phil the Greek may well want a word in his shell like. He's rapidly running out of friends.

[nontabury]

6 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Nobody voted to leave without a deal. Why do Leavers seem to think time stands still. Move on, please.

Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

 

The British people knew what they were voting for, unfortunately the remainers have altered the voting paper.

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

No, it's a winners stool. I've told you the lion has woken and is roaring. HoL will pass the bill this week.

 

Boris plans to ignore the Bill and refuse to enact it. We will then take it straight to litigation, another win for us. If he doesn't attend court, he'll be held in contempt and locked in the cells.

 

It will also be going against Royal assent. Phil the Greek may well want a word in his shell like. He's rapidly running out of friends.

The lion is roaring? 'We' will take it straight to litigation? You sound like you're talking about your footy team. 

 

And how you think you can predict the outcome of all this is beyond belief. For example, apparently the government can advise the Queen not to sign off on the traitors' bill. And with the Queen being a closet Brexiteer she might just oblige! 

[DannyCarlton]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The lion is roaring? 'We' will take it straight to litigation? You sound like you're talking about your footy team. 

Yep, I'm on Team Remain and you're on Team Brexit. 1-1 at the moment but you've just gone down to 10 men after sending your own man off! Not looking good for you in the 2nd half.

[david555]

8 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

No, it's a winners stool. I've told you the lion has woken and is roaring. HoL will pass the bill this week.

 

Boris plans to ignore the Bill and refuse to enact it. We will then take it straight to litigation, another win for us. If he doesn't attend court, he'll be held in contempt and locked in the cells.

 

It will also be going against Royal assent. Phil the Greek may well want a word in his shell like. He's rapidly running out of friends.

Does someone has still the key of the Tower …? lol …. and all those "tools "????

[DannyCarlton]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

Does someone has still the key of the Tower …? lol …. and all those "tools "????

The Queen does still have the power to send Boris to the Tower and the original chopping block is still in situ outside. Only one tool used....the axe.

 

The last people held in the Tower were the Kray Twins. Last person executed at the Tower, a German spy in 1941.

 

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by DannyCarlton

[Bluespunk]

Just when johnson thought it couldn’t get worse...it does. 

 

trump has tweeted his support for him. 

 

“Boris is a friend of mine... He's in there fighting. He knows how to win"

Donald Trump says Boris Johnson is "going to be okay", after the UK PM lost his majority and suffered two Commons defeats

Edited September 4, 2019 by Bluespunk

[7by7]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Agreed, it (racism) is an extremely distasteful tactic.

 

But, unfortunately, some Brexiteers have; in this topic and many others.

 

Strangely, most of them seem to have joined the forum in the last 3 or 4 months; a coincidence?

Wrong. That's where remain does have a majority .. but with some conspicuous abrupt absences. 

 

Have a look at some of the posts from @JamesBlond and @zorrow424.

 

Both joined during the last four months, both Brexiteers, both posting racist and bigoted  remarks; though zorrow424 with his comments about blacks and the Irish is the worse of the two.

[7by7]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

 

Wrong, nauseus; it's the right answer for solving this mess once and for all; let the people decide in a final and this time legally binding referendum.

 

Three options

1. Leave with the deal
2. Leave with no deal
3. Remain

using the transferable vote system I've previously described ad nauseum.

 

Of course, we all know why Brexiteers don't want that!

Just another wriggler. The people made the decision. The politicians just ignored and wrecked it.

 

Politicians have indeed ignored and wrecked the referendum result. We would have left the EU on 29th March last had not Rees-Mogg amongst others wrecked it!

 

So let's give the decison back to the people in a binding referendum so the politicians can't wreck the result.

 

That is true democracy; a concept I thought you Brexiteers approved of.

 

 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Have a general election, the people that vote Tory will want to leave, if vote Labour they will want to remain, what are you scared of, go for it.

 But not all Tories want to leave, not all Labour want to remain.

 

And what about the LibDems, SNP, Welsh Nats, DUP etc.?

 

The only way to get a truly democratic decision from we, the people, is a binding referendum along the lines proposed before. 

 

Though it will almost certainly take a GE with the inevitable defeat of Cummings' Johnson's government to obtain that.

 

[Basil B]

27 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

The Queen does still have the power to send Boris to the Tower and the original chopping block is still in situ outside. Only one tool used....the axe.

 

The last people held in the Tower were the Kray Twins. Last person executed at the Tower, a German spy in 1941.

 

 

Don't bother with the Tower, send him to the other place, I mean the other place in the here after that Tusk say's there is a special place for Brexiteers...

[7by7]

 

8 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

14 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

 But you are anti- British, the same as most of the supporters of the U.K. remaining shackled to the E.u. As the majority of them are also non Brits.

Are you saying that the majority of the 16 million who voted remain in the referendum weren't British.

 Well, Irish and Commonwealth citizens resident in the UK at the time could vote in the referendum; but I doubt that there were 16 million of them!

 

But take it easy on poor old nontabury. He's no argument, not even one of the pathetic memes he's so fond of, so has to fall back on this pathetic 'your either a traitor or not British' old pony Brexiteers are so fond of in such circumstances.