Opponents of 'no-deal' Brexit defeat PM Johnson, who promises an election

[beautifulthailand99]

Just now, vogie said:

What about repetitive posts like "democracy didn't stop on...., Farage said its unfinished business, side of a red bus, advisory referendum................ Are those suitable to be repeated over again because you have the copy rights to them?

all good stuff thanks for reminding everybody about them- but that is the rear view mirror - we press on to a deal as least worse scenario and a busted Bojo. Then help to engineer a Brexit Party / Conservative death spiral at the next election. 

[bannork]

A happy lady going home last night.

[beautifulthailand99]

15 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

If he gets a majority he can repeal that law and leave on the 31st. Nobody can stop him

He just sacked 21 of his party - what planet are you on ?

[evadgib]

6 minutes ago, adammike said:

So now they want to burn the house down?

Somewhat nostalgic, given the proximity to Nov 5th.

[7by7]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Well according to Remainers, 3 years ago is ancient history and people are allowed to change their minds, right? ????

 

Farage said that a 52/48 win would be unfinished business when he thought remain would win. Changed his mind after Leave won by that margin, calling it a magnificent victory.

 

Farage wanted a deal before the referendum, now wants no deal.

 

Boris voted against May's deal at first, then changed his mind and voted for it.

 

They are allowed to change their minds, but we, the people, are not!

 

That is the Brexiteer version of democracy!

[Nigel Garvie]

3 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

HOW BORIS TAKES US OUT!!!!!!

Accept rebel motion
Call GE
Win by a majority in cohorts with Sir Nigel
REPEAL this outrageous law and exit on 31st October
JOB DONE!

Call GE ..........Labour, Libs, SNP vote against GE, Boris sunk.

Vote of no confidence from anybody (To try to get GE) .............Labour, Libs, SNP vote to support government, plot fails

Boris stews in his own juice, meanwhile Brexit is dumped by law, or by referendum (Anti Brexit majority now in the country and the house).

SIMPLE AS THAT     JOB DONE

Annual national holiday on the day Brexit is dumped is declared. "The day we escaped from madness" 

Nation rejoices.

 

[evadgib]

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

A happy lady going home last night.

In the PMs car?

Yeah, right.

[Sticky Wicket]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

He just sacked 21 of his party - what planet are you on ?

10 points clear in the polls still, with Nigel on board they will crush the oppo.

The last push

[Sticky Wicket]

Just now, Nigel Garvie said:

Call GE ..........Labour, Libs, SNP vote against GE, Boris sunk.

Vote of no confidence from anybody (To try to get GE) .............Labour, Libs, SNP vote to support government, plot fails

Boris stews in his own juice, meanwhile Brexit is dumped by law, or by referendum (Anti Brexit majority now in the country and the house).

SIMPLE AS THAT     JOB DONE

Annual national holiday on the day Brexit is dumped is declared. "The day we escaped from madness" 

Nation rejoices.

 

Tories are 10 points ahead in every poll

[beautifulthailand99]

6 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Boris Johnson can and probably will accept the legislation delaying Brexit as the price of going to the country in a general election – because he would campaign on a manifesto of leaving the EU on 31 October. So if he wins the clear Commons majority he seeks, he could repeal that legislation in a single day before 31 October and could insist that the Lords do not block repeal (because repeal would have been in the Tory manifesto).

So we are heading for a general election as a proxy for a referendum, with Tories campaigning to Brexit, deal or no deal, on 31 October.

I really can’t see how Labour could refuse to sanction and fight an election on those terms.

Her has to campaign on a No Deal Brexit though for Nigel to stand down his barmy army. The British people will think long and hard before explicitly voting for a no deal. All the Brit EU expats will also be making sure they can vote if they can. 

[JAG]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

It won't happen, parliament has passed legislation making it illegal for anyone to die there.

 

"A ban on people dying in the Houses of Parliament has been named the most absurd legislation in Britain."

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568474/Dont-die-in-parliament-its-the-law.html

If somebody were to die in the Houses of Parliament I'm sure that at least one poster will be along to explain that it shouldn't apply because the act/law is not relevant, that wasn't what the house intended when they passed it and anyway, it is only advisory!

[adammike]

33 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

Politics aside, Great Britain is a geographical term used to describe the largest island in the British Isles so Scotland & Wales will always be a part of GB, just as they (& England) will always be part of Europe. 

 

 

 

 

It's the British Isles that's the geographical term,Great Britain is a political term I think!

[evadgib]

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Farage said that a 52/48 win would be unfinished business when he thought remain would win. Changed his mind after Leave won by that margin, calling it a magnificent victory.

 

Farage wanted a deal before the referendum, now wants no deal.

 

Boris voted against May's deal at first, then changed his mind and voted for it.

 

They are allowed to change their minds, but we, the people, are not!

 

That is the Brexiteer version of democracy!

How many minutes was he mistaken for and how long had he been up when he did it?

[7by7]

4 hours ago, Tchooptip said:

I followed the whole debate on parliament yesterday night ... on Al Jazeera...????... the BBC World channel had a green screen, no image only the sound, strange isn'it 

 I suspect that was more to do with technical problems or it being blocked at your end rather than any conspiracy by the BBC.

 

Here in the UK the debate was shown live on BBC4, BBC News and BBC Parliament!

 

If they were trying to stop people from seeing it, they didn't do a very good job!

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Tories are 10 points ahead in every poll

What was Labour’s swing against the polls at the last election?

[yogi100]

18 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Never watched the HoC live before it seems!

LBC is a radio program so you won't be able to watch their programs. Radio is only an audio medium.

 

You can't watch radio programs even if you want to.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

How many minutes was he mistaken for and how long had he been up when he did it?

I get it.

 

List the arguments you can’t deal with and then declare them somehow inadmissible.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, yogi100 said:

LBC is a radio program so you won't be able to watch their programs. Radio is only an audio medium.

 

You can't watch radio programs even if you want to.

LBC radio programs are recorded on video and posted on YouTube.

 

 

[sungod]

44 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Followed by anothe referendum.

And if remain dont get their way on that one, they will campaign for another until they get the vote they want.

[evadgib]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I get it.

 

List the arguments you can’t deal with and then declare them somehow inadmissible.

I have dealt with it.

Amicably.

Edited September 4, 2019 by evadgib

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

This has not gone as badly for Boris as many choose to think. He needs to find a way to bring about a general election. if he can do so he/the Tories will won by a country mile.

Another miscalculation. Johnson has been doing well in the polls because he’s been running around campaigning and throwing money around, while the opposition have been on the beach. He looked like a winner ... until lying about the reasons for prorogation and lying about attempting to get a deal, described by Cummings as a “sham”. He’s looking rattled and more like a loser each day, he’s being exposed as a charlatan in Parliament and he’s lost support from “deal” supporting Tories. He’ll be wiped out in Scotland and lose seats to the Liberals ... even Corbyn is looking in better shape.

 

My prediction is a coalition and a second referendum. And if that happens Brexit is dead. 

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, AlexRich said:

Another miscalculation. Johnson has been doing well in the polls because he’s been running around campaigning and throwing money around, while the opposition have been on the beach. He looked like a winner ... until lying about the reasons for prorogation and lying about attempting to get a deal, described by Cummings as a “sham”. He’s looking rattled and more like a loser each day, he’s being exposed as a charlatan in Parliament and he’s lost support from “deal” supporting Tories. He’ll be wiped out in Scotland and lose seats to the Liberals ... even Corbyn is looking in better shape.

 

My prediction is a coalition and a second referendum. And if that happens Brexit is dead. 

I'll second that and raise a glass - a new dawn is breaking. We are nearing the end of the nightmare. 

[bristolboy]

56 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

I listened to some of the goings on in the HoP involving our MPs on LBC last night (3/9) between 10pm and 11pm.

 

It was obvious that many of 'em were drunk by this time as their subsidised bars had been open all day. They were roaring, bawling and shouting just like the traitorous rabble they are with no loyalty what so ever to the British working people whose interests they are extremely well paid to represent and act upon.

 

It sounded more like a football match confrontation between boozed up Millwall and West Ham supporters than responsible dignified adults trying to discuss the future of our country outside of the EU.

 

It was disgraceful behaviour from people who should know better. The whole lot of 'em should have been arrested and charged with being drunk and disorderly.

 

We'd be better off without them and letting Johnson do his damnedest rather than allowing this load of out of touch paralytic hooligans have anything to do with running our affairs and deciding our future.

 

 

 

 

 

Better to be ruled by one drunkard than by many?

[Nigel Garvie]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

  13 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Tories are 10 points ahead in every poll

So what, there is not going to be a GE for a while, if Labour have any sense not for a long time. They can happily just sit there and watch Boris squirm as he is defeated again and again. Voters are notoriously volatile, and polls change all the time, who knows what things will look like in 4 months.  A Labour/Lib pact on target seats would change everything.  

Right now it's totally irrelevant.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Mike Teavee said:

I suspect that there would be some fine tuning to the agreement (a bit like Cameron should have done to avoid the referendum in the 1st place).

 

Actually Cameron did just that. For one thing, he got the EU to explictly exempt the UK from being drawn into an ever closer union. Not that in effect it matters much since the prospect of an EU army and other bogeymen cited by Brexiters were always quite dim.

[evadgib]

11 minutes ago, rhyddid said:

Well done ! Stop this madman to bring UK to a financial disaster !
There is no need to spend our tax money in new election, just remove BS BJ and move on with a Brexit with the existing deal !

The non existing deal?

Edited September 4, 2019 by evadgib

[bristolboy]

44 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

HOW BORIS TAKES US OUT!!!!!!

 

Accept rebel motion

Call GE

Win by a majority in cohorts with Sir Nigel

REPEAL this outrageous law and exit on 31st October

JOB DONE!

You're counting on the fact that there will be a rebel motion.

Edited September 4, 2019 by bristolboy

[beautifulthailand99]

7 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

So what, there is not going to be a GE for a while, if Labour have any sense not for a long time. They can happily just sit there and watch Boris squirm as he is defeated again and again. Voters are notoriously volatile, and polls change all the time, who knows what things will look like in 4 months.  A Labour/Lib pact on target seats would change everything.  

Right now it's totally irrelevant.

I hope Corbyn's impatience can be tempered. He should go full Trump now and do a rally tour of the key seats. He is a great orator and will get the young fired up and keep the troops ready to swamp key seats when the election comes. Killing BoJo is like a bull fight - the picadors need to keep on stabbing him and breaking his will - but he needs to be kept alive so when the wounded and broken BoJo faces the election - the British people can finally deliver the 'coup de grace'. Dare to dream...

 

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[Bruntoid]

37 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Boris Johnson can and probably will accept the legislation delaying Brexit as the price of going to the country in a general election – because he would campaign on a manifesto of leaving the EU on 31 October. So if he wins the clear Commons majority he seeks, he could repeal that legislation in a single day before 31 October and could insist that the Lords do not block repeal (because repeal would have been in the Tory manifesto).

So we are heading for a general election as a proxy for a referendum, with Tories campaigning to Brexit, deal or no deal, on 31 October.

I really can’t see how Labour could refuse to sanction and fight an election on those terms.

The no deal agreement (with Labour) would be LEGALLY locked in - parliament rarely does well in the courts when trying to pull a fast one 

[JonnyF]

23 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Farage said that a 52/48 win would be unfinished business when he thought remain would win. Changed his mind after Leave won by that margin, calling it a magnificent victory.

 

Farage wanted a deal before the referendum, now wants no deal.

 

Boris voted against May's deal at first, then changed his mind and voted for it.

 

They are allowed to change their minds, but we, the people, are not!

 

That is the Brexiteer version of democracy!

Congratulations, you have taken the point I was making (Why is it OK for Remainers to change their mind but not OK for Farage?) and flipped it to make exactly the same point, in reverse (Why is it OK for Farage to change his mind but not OK for Remainers).

 

Well done. Good to see such ingenuity, someone thinking outside the box  ????