Do you like Thai people?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Some Thai men do have that.

Not just Thai men, but there's nothing like the real thing.

[NanLaew]

32 minutes ago, pookondee said:

Of course, Tops staff dont have to personally pay for any spillage, so they wouldnt care.

 

But, if a Tops cashier has to make up for any discrepancy in their till totals...

 out of their own pocket.. 

you can bet they will not be so "mai pen rai" about it.

 

So if its a small ma/pa business, why should they go to work just to loose money because some git breaks something?

 

If it were me id be giving them the price of the breakage and a tip for having to clean up my mess..

just for my being a clumsy oaf.

 

Really, no wonder foriegners get a bad wrap for being cheap Charlies here!!

I inadvertently walked on a bill for a couple of beers at Bill Bentley's pub at HKT. I did recall seeing the waitress prowling the departures hall as I waited for the boarding call but it was only when I was airborne, I realized I hadn't paid.

 

It was 4 weeks before I transited through HKT again but I made a point of going to the bar and asking about the unpaid bill and the waitress. They made a phone call and asked me to wait so I had a beer. About 30 minutes later, the waitress I had stiffed arrived. She had been off-shift and they had called her in. She was very effusive in her thanks for my honesty and coming across that it was entirely her fault for allowing me to leave without paying which essentially it was. Yes, despite a high customer turnover, business is business and she still got nailed for the 600 baht tab I walked on (bloody expensive stuff is Guinness!) and it was docked from her pay the previous month.

 

I am the sort of farang that most other hater farangs on TV would call deplorable in that I tipped generously on BOTH the previously unpaid bill, the new one and an extra 100 baht just for the waitress after the staff getting her out of bed to comer in. Some of those other farangs may equate this with what they politely and frequently acknowledge (or refuse to pay) as 'taxi money'?

Edited September 19, 2019 by NanLaew

[NanLaew]

14 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

We're trying to fit in.

Ahhh... assimilation is it?

 

It makes me ponder what most TV'ers consider Thainess to be.

 

Is Thainess those unique and hugely annoying social and cultural traits that a Thai person, business or government entity exhibits that a certain unique and hugely annoying TV demographic funds hugely annoying.

 

Or is Thainess the hugely annoying tendency of another hugely annoying TV demographic to boast about how they accept, acquiesce, embrace and even adopt these hugely annoying Thai ways entirely, despite how hugely annoying these things are?

[NanLaew]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not just Thai men, but there's nothing like the real thing.

Is this the Coca Cola thread then?

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

It makes me ponder what most TV'ers consider Thainess to be.

IMHO for a male it's being drunk all the time, driving without a helmet, licence, tax or insurance, banging all the women you can, carrying a weapon with the intention of using it at the slightest excuse, and not accepting any responsibility for any of your actions. 

Edited September 19, 2019 by BritManToo

[DannyCarlton]

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

For me it's being drunk all the time, driving without a helmet, licence, tax or insurance, banging all the women you can, and not accepting any responsibility for any of your actions. 

Ok, so I've caught Thainess. Thanks for that diagnosis Dr. Brit.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I inadvertently walked on a bill for a couple of beers at Bill Bentley's pub at HKT. I did recall seeing the waitress prowling the departures hall as I waited for the boarding call but it was only when I was airborne, I realized I hadn't paid.

 

It was 4 weeks before I transited through HKT again but I made a point of going to the bar and asking about the unpaid bill and the waitress. They made a phone call and asked me to wait so I had a beer. About 30 minutes later, the waitress I had stiffed arrived. She had been off-shift and they had called her in. She was very effusive in her thanks for my honesty and coming across that it was entirely her fault for allowing me to leave without paying which essentially it was. Yes, despite a high customer turnover, business is business and she still got nailed for the 600 baht tab I walked on (bloody expensive stuff is Guinness!) and it was docked from her pay the previous month.

 

I am the sort of farang that most other hater farangs on TV would call deplorable in that I tipped generously on BOTH the previously unpaid bill, the new one and an extra 100 baht just for the waitress after the staff getting her out of bed to comer in. Some of those other farangs may equate this with what they politely and frequently acknowledge as 'taxi money'?

Not same same, but...……….

I deposited a traveller's cheque for 100,000 baht ( in sterling ) at a bank in LOS and the teller managed to make it a million baht somehow. I was tempted to keep it, but pointed it out to her. However, while the teller did say thank you, she wasn't overtly grateful.

 

The first time I ever went to Bkk I visited a bar near Patpong, but didn't realise that a lady drink was way more than my drink. I was expecting something bad to happen to me ( I didn't have enough on me for the bill ), but the waiter just laughed and asked me to "pay later". I did go back and paid for the lady drink, but don't remember if I tipped as well. The girl didn't speak a word of English and just looked puzzled about it all.

Happy days, way back then.

[NanLaew]

18 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

IMHO for a male it's being drunk all the time, driving without a helmet, licence, tax or insurance, banging all the women you can, carrying a weapon with the intention of using it at the slightest excuse, and not accepting any responsibility for any of your actions. 

OK, got that.

 

Now how about your definition of Thainess as practiced by the Thai male?

[pookondee]

47 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I inadvertently walked on a bill for a couple of beers at Bill Bentley's pub at HKT. I did recall seeing the waitress prowling the departures hall as I waited for the boarding call but it was only when I was airborne, I realized I hadn't paid.

 

It was 4 weeks before I transited through HKT again but I made a point of going to the bar and asking about the unpaid bill and the waitress. They made a phone call and asked me to wait so I had a beer. About 30 minutes later, the waitress I had stiffed arrived. She had been off-shift and they had called her in. She was very effusive in her thanks for my honesty and coming across that it was entirely her fault for allowing me to leave without paying which essentially it was. Yes, despite a high customer turnover, business is business and she still got nailed for the 600 baht tab I walked on (bloody expensive stuff is Guinness!) and it was docked from her pay the previous month.

 

I am the sort of farang that most other hater farangs on TV would call deplorable in that I tipped generously on BOTH the previously unpaid bill, the new one and an extra 100 baht just for the waitress after the staff getting her out of bed to comer in. Some of those other farangs may equate this with what they politely and frequently acknowledge (or refuse to pay) as 'taxi money'?

To true!

IMO, Inadvertantly walking and then fixing it up is one thing. (cudos to you)

but breaking something and then saying

 

"oh, im not paying for that" and justifying it with the

" In my own country...." bla bla

 

very poor form to say the least!

[473geo]

You see how fickle these farangs are Yinn

 

The thread has morphed from "Do you like Thai people" into the more serious topic of 'what can I expect if I drop a bottle of baby oil in a store' ????

[Chazar]

2 hours ago, metempsychotic said:

and so many others here are outright charmers

But  but they arent discussing every other  poster or person in the world in every other country /universe.

[Chazar]

52 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

However, while the teller did say thank you, she wasn't overtly grateful.

Happened to me at Coffee  World the other week, gave him 1000 baht, cake I bought was 210baht and he  gave me back 990baht...........pointed it  out to him, he  said  nothing but a   voice behind him from a woman thanked me.

[Chazar]

45 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

OK, got that.

 

Now how about your definition of Thainess as practiced by the Thai male?

You'll need a  new  thread about the length of the "compulsory insurance for farangs"  a  while  back announcement from TV.

[Chazar]

1 hour ago, metempsychotic said:

she was certainly feminine, but female debatable.

she seems to have gone far off the thai visa radar, she used however to be quite prolific

Thought she/he was living in Europe somewhere but was a  good  read, had a  lot of admirers I seem to remember.

[aqua4]

On 9/18/2019 at 8:01 AM, Yinn said:

Many farang are really lovely and polite, love Thailand and have many Thai friend.

Tourists are not going to be the same as expats as their views will differ. Tourists stay in tourist areas and leave when they are done. Expats have to deal with the silliness at times because they live in Thailand, which they dont like. Maybe they should not have lived in Thailand in the first place because they did not know what they would be in for. 

 

Very important which you overlook because you are Thai is that there is a class structure just like Thailand. You clearly cant see the difference between the three because you have never lived overseas in the West for an extended period of time. Money gives you the false impression as to who is who as it will depend on their currency.

 

On 9/18/2019 at 8:01 AM, Yinn said:

This people complain, criticize, ridicule and mock Thai people every time. Not able to think positive.

Foreigners compare Thailand to their home countries. What do you compare Thailand with as you have never lived overseas? I have met Thai people who have lived overseas in the West for years and they criticise Thai people (their own people) as well as the country more than foreigners do here. I can give you loads of examples but let me start with one that struck me the most.

 

Friend of my wife (Thai woman + Thai man) has lived in America for 20 years and they own a small store. One day she started to rant about Thai people because they allow the country to go to the dogs. She looked at me and asked me an interest question -- Look at these broken pavements all over. It angers me because Thai people allow this to happen.  If Thai people had to live overseas for 2 or 3 years they would not accept this as normal when they returned. Thailand would change for the better if Thai people had something to compare it to. Yes, your own people mock your own people because they allow it to happen.

 

On 9/18/2019 at 8:01 AM, Yinn said:

When he says “Thais......” they is talking about me, my mum, my dad. Is offensive.

No it is not. Its your nationalism which has been drilled into your head at school which is blinding you to your own errors and short comings. That is where the fault lays when you are blind. That is why the country cant go forward like Singapore or Hong Kong. The educational system has created a box in your head which you cant see out of. 

 

On 9/18/2019 at 8:01 AM, Yinn said:

This people say also believe Thai people hate farang.

Start with your immigration policies and compare that to ANY Western country where Thai people live and then ask me again about perception. Then look at how a foreigner can only own 49% of apartments or a business in Thailand. Is that not anti-Foreigner?

 

The rest of your rant of examples of what foreigners say --

 

One thing you will notice is that after foreigners have lived here for a while they start to pick up the class structure in Thailand. They can tell the low-so from the high-so and everything in-between. You start to notice a thread in Thailand that those who have money or those who have lived abroad for a long time are completely different in their views than the average Thai that goes nowhere. It is clear from your writing that you have never lived in the West and you have a very narrow view of the world. 

 

 

[Don Chance]

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Of course you should have bloody paid for it WITHOUT BEING ASKED TO.

 

Have you dropped and broken a bottle of baby oil in a small shop Cambodia or Nepal or India yet?

Do you read? A small plastic bottle should not crack. That is why they don't sell it a real store like 7-11. It is defective cheap quality.

In Thailand you are protect under consumer protection act for defective product. I shouldn't even been asked to pay for it, let alone threatened with police. It was probably cracked before. Typical Thai scam.

They won't sell scam items in Nepal or Cambodia because nobody would pay for it and the police wouldn't come. It is only in an authoritarian police state that people abuse power.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Don Chance

[tomazbodner]

One day you'll find out Yinn is collecting information on good/bad guys for the Immigration ????

[amykat]

4 hours ago, metempsychotic said:

she was certainly feminine, but female debatable.

she seems to have gone far off the thai visa radar, she used however to be quite prolific

Why do you think that, did you try to date her??

[johng]

Why do you think that, did you try to date her??

I remember she/he revealed it themselves.

[Nyezhov]

8 hours ago, thaibutty said:

Why do you hate farang so much?

I dont want to live with a farang either, and Im a farang. Hell, wait, Im going to throw myself out of the condo so I dont have to live with me!

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

5 hours ago, NanLaew said:

My sister, replete with teaching degrees and a Master's in English Lit was denied a teaching position in Hawaii because they reckoned her Englsh speech didn't SOUND English enough.

 

She got over it eventually.

It doesn't appear to bother my daughter at all actually, it's me that gets my pants in a twist. Her English is so perfect, if you spoke to her on the phone you'd think she came from Richmond upon Thames, yet her teachers, who's English is so bad you'd think they'd been dropped on their head, think they can correct it. Good grief it makes me angry.

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2019 by NilSS

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

22 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I've got a Thai cycling pal, taught English for 30 years before retiring, can't speak one word of English.

One of my Thai nephews, now an engineer in our company, studied Ingrish at University. He can't string together a single sentence in English. And Thai people wonder why Farang-kind are critical of the system.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2019 by NilSS

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

6 minutes ago, FredGallaher said:

Well, I studied Spanish at the university for 2 years and can't order a Taco.

Yeah but he has a degree that says he can speak English. Do you have a degree that says you can speak Spanish?

As I said to my daughter, a Thai degree, generally speaking, is worthless. She's applying to Chula, probably the only university here that can award degrees that are worth the paper they're on.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2019 by NilSS

[Nyezhov]

2 minutes ago, FredGallaher said:

Yinn is an exception and has a good vocabulary (as a second language).

I dont know that she is exception, over the past three years I have become a magnet for Uni students seeking to practice their English (go over to Chatuchak on a weekend). Now granted, I am cute and cuddly, as well as being blatantly American, so I get hit on more often than some singlet wearing scurrilous westerner, but regardless, I can sometimes do 2 or 3 a day over there.

 

And honestly, about 90% of the ones I talk do have a decent level of English, that unfortunately, will always be at some certain level and stop because they dont speak it every day.

 

And thats the key: learn it AND use it, or learn it in the cradle, or have a gift. Otherwise, nobody going to speak a second laguage well.

 

Now I met a unform girl from  Phitsanulok that was like 14 and spoke PERFECT conversational real American English. She said she learned in school and from TV. Her family chaperoned her to find English folks for her to talk to and they were utter peasants, you know they probably couldnt read Thai. But she had a gift, and no matter what ones circumstances in life, folks can have a gift and Im sure she is going somewhere, since she was doing things like simultaneously translating with her kin.

[Nyezhov]

11 minutes ago, NilSS said:

As I said to my daughter, a Thai degree, generally speaking, is worthless.

So is a degree from a whole bunch of USA Universities, unless you want to wear a pussy hat, hate men and hate yourself for your privledge.

 

 

[Yinn]

5 hours ago, aqua4 said:

I can give you loads of examples but let me start with one that struck me the most.

 

Friend of my wife (Thai woman + Thai man) has lived in America for 20 years and they own a small store. One day she started to rant about Thai people because they allow the country to go to the dogs.

That is not the same example.

 

They not complain about the country they want to live in.

 

Not complain about the US people, say they hate them. If they do hate them I would ask “why you want live there, all the bad people”

 

You not understand the point.

[Yinn]

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

I dont know that she is exception, over the past three years I have become a magnet for Uni students seeking to practice their English (go over to Chatuchak on a weekend). Now granted, I am cute and cuddly, as well as being blatantly American, so I get hit on more often than some singlet wearing scurrilous westerner, but regardless, I can sometimes do 2 or 3 a day over there.

 

And honestly, about 90% of the ones I talk do have a decent level of English, that unfortunately, will always be at some certain level and stop because they dont speak it every day.

 

And thats the key: learn it AND use it, or learn it in the cradle, or have a gift. Otherwise, nobody going to speak a second laguage well.

 

Now I met a unform girl from  Phitsanulok that was like 14 and spoke PERFECT conversational real American English. She said she learned in school and from TV. Her family chaperoned her to find English folks for her to talk to and they were utter peasants, you know they probably couldnt read Thai. But she had a gift, and no matter what ones circumstances in life, folks can have a gift and Im sure she is going somewhere, since she was doing things like simultaneously translating with her kin.

Is the reason I play thaivisa. Train my English.

[Nyezhov]

1 minute ago, Yinn said:

Is the reason I play thaivisa. Train my English.

Only pay attention to the Americans then, otherwise you will learn some bastardized version of it. In fact, you dont want to learn English, you want to learn American ????

 

Thats the way you want to roll, dude....like a Yank.

[Yinn]

5 hours ago, aqua4 said:

Start with your immigration policies and compare that to ANY Western country where Thai people live and then ask me again about perception. Then look at how a foreigner can only own 49% of apartments or a business in Thailand. Is that not anti-Foreigner?

Same western country. My friend want to buy small house before in Australia. The law says can not. 

USA want to build wall.

Brexit.

Your education not so good if you not know about that.

 

 

5 hours ago, aqua4 said:

Its your nationalism which has been drilled into your head at school which is blinding you to your own errors and short comings. That is where the fault lays when you are blind.

Maybe you blind.

In Thailand you can buy some real estate. Same as foreigner western country.

 

https://www.realestate.com.au/news/the-facts-about-foreign-buyers/

[Yinn]

12 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Only pay attention to the Americans then, otherwise you will learn some bastardized version of it. In fact, you dont want to learn English, you want to learn American ????

 

Thats the way you want to roll, dude....like a Yank.

American people more easy to understand. 

I meet Scotland family before. I not understand them at all.