Gulf War veteran, 55, was killed by a single punch from a bouncer in Thailand who claimed he tried to leave go-go bar without paying his bill

[The Theory]

The bouncer was a share holder of the “scam bills” ?!!!!  Very common. 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2019 by The Theory

[malibukid]

13 hours ago, kingdong said:

In England if you died within one year of injuries sustained in an attack its manslaughter,the land of smiles first world prices and aspirations. And a third world justice system,be carefully out there.

third world infrastructure

[kingofthemountain]

58 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

When you said 'I "go" there too' I thought you probably didn't live there. Anyway, not everyone in Pattaya is the same I'm sure, there's gotta be some decent people knocking about!

Thank you

i live here and i consider myself like pretty decent (Even if i am far from be perfect)

and i meet a lot of decent people too who live here and i am always

sorry to see some do generalities (Not you and thanks again for that) and put everybody in

the same bag just because you live somewhere.

[sambum]

17 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Your point is.??

See the post above yours! 

 

[ThailandGuy]

Some people reactions here are really bad. So if someone throws the first punch you can simply kill him? Those guys are trained fighters. They should know the consequences. He could have punched him in the stomac not driving his nose into his brain. I hope that Thai guy is jailed for a very long time. But given what i know about the judicial system i doubt that will ever happen.

[kingofthemountain]

36 minutes ago, friend of siam said:

in order to operate a restaurant or bar business in pty..the owner MUST bribe the local police on a regular base....their income depends on these bribes..

The owner MUST bribe the local police if he is in a position where he is border line with the law.

A lot of business owners in Pattaya heve everything in order with the law and do not bribe the

police simply because they don't have to do it,

And no, the income of a restaurant\bar owner do not depends on the bribes

it depends on the customers numbers and their spend. The police has a lot of others

things much more important to do than send some troublemakers to a small bar in a small soi

on a regular basis in order to force the owner to pay a bribe.

[Yinn]

Look like Mike do first punch. Air punch, but he try hit the security sure. 

But maybe handbag guy do one punch after. Try to sure.

Then blaktshirt guy do one. 

Then Mike fall over with black T-shirt guy, hit the head.

so mike receive 2 punch (maybe) and hit head cement.

No weapon. 

 

All so quickly. 

 

Really, Mike should wait for police go to the bar. Talk about that together. If he leave and not pay, the security will chase him. Is there job.

He should just wait for police come (tourist police)

The security not lovely people sure, but they not want kill mike. Is accident. Just pay the bill or wait.

 

pattaya not so good place. Last week New Zealand kicking the wife, the German throw old woman into the klong, Korean guy stabbing.

 

Edited November 1, 2019 by Rimmer
Empty video removed

[uli65]

for the leftifts idiots the killing of an old white man is not a big deal. 

[robblok]

51 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

The video lasts few seconds, nobody know what happened before.

Before you were saying it did not happen now you are saying we don't know what happens before. Yet you condemn the Thais while it was clear that the guy threw the first punch (and missed). I have played it countless times and it starts off with the guy doing a hay-maker and missing (then everything moves into a better view on the camera).

 

What happened before was a guy going out of a bar without paying (i believe this why else would bouncers look for a guy that has already left). Too bad we can't see or hear what was done just before the altercation. But this certainly looks like a two sided fight one that the foreigner started off with a hay-maker. Then ONE blow from the Thais and it is all over.

 

This was not overuse or a lot of violence. This was just something gone horribly wrong. Certainly not murder like many seem to think.

 

 

[Rimmer]

Off topic post and reply removed

[robblok]

16 minutes ago, ThailandGuy said:

Some people reactions here are really bad. So if someone throws the first punch you can simply kill him? Those guys are trained fighters. They should know the consequences. He could have punched him in the stomac not driving his nose into his brain. I hope that Thai guy is jailed for a very long time. But given what i know about the judicial system i doubt that will ever happen.

No you cant kill someone if they throw the first punch, but it can start a fight and then all bets are off. If the foreigner was beat up I would be more on the side of the foreigner but this was just one punch (reasonable after someone tries to punch you). Too bad it went totally wrong. Even in the UK they get below 5 year for it and that is when they start it. Here the Thai guy did not throw the first punch. 

[WhatupThailand]

54 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

The farang quite clearly threw the first punch.

NO, he was doing a Reaction Blocking move, in Defense.

 

Also, Bill Scams are carried out by Restaurants without entertainment,

as I and my Thai wife can attest to, being victims of such a scam by a Seafood Restaurant

in Bangkok. They make it plain, that you will suffer if you do not pay.

Best course is to Haggle with the manager, pay and get a receipt, and use as evidence,

for Legal gamble later.

 

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, WhatupThailand said:

NO, he was doing a Reaction Blocking move, in Defense.

Complete nonsense. He threw a roundhouse punch which missed it's target.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Before you were saying it did not happen now you are saying we don't know what happens before. Yet you condemn the Thais while it was clear that the guy threw the first punch (and missed). I have played it countless times and it starts off with the guy doing a hay-maker and missing (then everything moves into a better view on the camera).

 

What happened before was a guy going out of a bar without paying (i believe this why else would bouncers look for a guy that has already left). Too bad we can't see or hear what was done just before the altercation. But this certainly looks like a two sided fight one that the foreigner started off with a hay-maker. Then ONE blow from the Thais and it is all over.

 

This was not overuse or a lot of violence. This was just something gone horribly wrong. Certainly not murder like many seem to think.

 

 

What did i say it did not happen ?

I don't condemn "the Thais" apart from your imagination, but i condemn the thuggish behaviour of the "bouncers".

It's also reported that the victim tried to call the 911, and we can only speculate why.

You say that the victim threw the first punch, but how you can say that, that is true only in the few seconds of the video that we have.

What is clear, is that the victim is trying to go away, but the "bouncers" are not happy with that.

Technically is not murder, but it's a fact that the guy died, never having recovered from that punch.

[observer90210]

26 minutes ago, ThailandGuy said:

Some people reactions here are really bad. So if someone throws the first punch you can simply kill him? Those guys are trained fighters. They should know the consequences. He could have punched him in the stomac not driving his nose into his brain. I hope that Thai guy is jailed for a very long time. But given what i know about the judicial system i doubt that will ever happen.

He killed a farang so little chance the system will retribute. Would have definately been different if it was a hi-so's drunk son who was killed. Very tragic. RIP.

[mauGR1]

21 minutes ago, Yinn said:

pattaya not so good place. Last week New Zealand kicking the wife, the German throw old woman into the klong, Korean guy stabbing.

 

Amen to that, i went there 15 years ago, and it was already quite disgusting.

 

[jacko45k]

5 hours ago, BestB said:

How are you comparing severely beaten to 1 punch by 1 person ?

Probably the same way as attacking someone who is walking away, to self defence. 

[joecoolfrog]

18 hours ago, Yinn said:

He throws a punch to the air as he is approached by two Thai men - and is then hit to the floor with one 

Pathetic !

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

You are speaking of progressive, visionary, and intelligent policy. Certainly too much to ask from this administration, who appear to be hellbent on diminishing the lives of millions, by denigrating the tourism industry, and reducing it to low class and lower middle class tourists, who just do not spend much money.

 

My guess would be that the one punch knocked this man to the ground, whereby his skull cracked like an egg. 

 

Lastly, since when is chasing a patron and asking him to pay a bill self defense? Where is there any indication that the bouncer was threatened? And did the lame, weak, incredibly partial Thai courts even consider this, before exonerating him? This kind of thing sends a really, really dark message to the tourists of the world who are considering a trip to Thailand. Just another nail in the coffin of tourism here.

Tourism is doing fine and the Chinese spend more per day than any other nationality. Yes, there is less Western sex tourism.

[FritsSikkink]

48 minutes ago, ThailandGuy said:

Some people reactions here are really bad. So if someone throws the first punch you can simply kill him? Those guys are trained fighters. They should know the consequences. He could have punched him in the stomac not driving his nose into his brain. I hope that Thai guy is jailed for a very long time. But given what i know about the judicial system i doubt that will ever happen.

Your reaction is not very well informed:

1. The guy was an army vet
2. The hit happened a year ago
3. There was a trial already, guy wasn't dead then.
4. The guy died about a year later.

[Baerboxer]

17 hours ago, sanemax said:

Why did he throw a punch though ?

Even if he was at fault for attempting to throw a punch , the bouncers need to act with more restraint and not using violence , saying that though, it was just one punch and as this case shows, even one punch can be fatal

 

Bouncers in Thailand aren't licensed or regulated like in Western countries. They are often off duty police or military earning some extra. But others are just thugs out for some farang bashing and getting paid for it. Upset them and it's a beating, kicking and possibly death.

 

They know, as in this case, they will get off scot-free unless the farang happens to be very well connected. Even then they still won't be massively punished. 

 

I'd agree with other posters that the bill was massive, padded and probably because he never appreciated the cost of lady conversations and lady drinks etc. That sparked the argument and his call to 911. Someone punching the air doesn't give the right to a king punch in return.

 

Sickening and will do much harm to Thailand's reputation as safe for tourism. A crack down on these thugs with some real sentences is needed.

[mikeymike100]

7 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Not gone down very well in the foreign press with many comments along the lines of don't go to Thailand, Pattaya is just a brothel and there is no justice in Thailand etc. There is no evidence the customer hit anyone first, a swipe in the air with no chance of contact is not a threat or an attack. He was obviously scammed and backing out of the place not attacking when he was killed by the bouncer, or in this case murderer.

Yes its all over Yahoo news now and the British Press. Comments are very negative towards Thailand on Yahoo. If the Thai Government want to improve tourism then they are not doing a very good job when stuff like this happens!

[Baerboxer]

7 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Tourism is doing fine and the Chinese spend more per day than any other nationality. Yes, there is less Western sex tourism.

 

Sure thing. A will soon be doing brilliantly with the influx of vast numbers of high spending Indians!

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

11 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Tourism is doing fine and the Chinese spend more per day than any other nationality. Yes, there is less Western sex tourism.

You should be on the stage with comments like that pal!!! ????????

[FritsSikkink]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

I'd agree with other posters that the bill was massive, padded and probably because he never appreciated the cost of lady conversations and lady drinks etc. 

Did you see the bill or are you just making things up because it is convenient?

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

You should be on the stage with comments like that pal!!! ????????

And you should be on the stage with comments like "Malasia is on the straight and narrow". Just as much corruption as Thailand and even more xenophbic and racist than Thailand.

[FritsSikkink]

3 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

You should be on the stage with comments like that pal!!! ????????

You should read more then you wouldn't be surprised, has been over the news many times.

[Rimmer]

Mostly off topic rant with overly derogatory comments about Pattaya has been removed

[robblok]

38 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

What did i say it did not happen ?

I don't condemn "the Thais" apart from your imagination, but i condemn the thuggish behaviour of the "bouncers".

It's also reported that the victim tried to call the 911, and we can only speculate why.

You say that the victim threw the first punch, but how you can say that, that is true only in the few seconds of the video that we have.

What is clear, is that the victim is trying to go away, but the "bouncers" are not happy with that.

Technically is not murder, but it's a fact that the guy died, never having recovered from that punch.

Technically he went back after he threw his punch and yes I see him back too after his punch that missed. So he first attacks the bouncers and then tries to go away. I certainly don't think the bouncers are innocent but this guy was part of the problem. He was certainly made it worse by throwing a punch and only after that did the Thai guy attack. 

 

How would you respond if someone throws a punch at you, many people would hit back and that is what happend. (I would still not do anything as it did not connect) but throwing a punch certainly escalates things. The attack after that punch he threw was not over the top. It was just an unlucky fall / punch.

[robblok]

22 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Bouncers in Thailand aren't licensed or regulated like in Western countries. They are often off duty police or military earning some extra. But others are just thugs out for some farang bashing and getting paid for it. Upset them and it's a beating, kicking and possibly death.

 

They know, as in this case, they will get off scot-free unless the farang happens to be very well connected. Even then they still won't be massively punished. 

 

I'd agree with other posters that the bill was massive, padded and probably because he never appreciated the cost of lady conversations and lady drinks etc. That sparked the argument and his call to 911. Someone punching the air doesn't give the right to a king punch in return.

 

Sickening and will do much harm to Thailand's reputation as safe for tourism. A crack down on these thugs with some real sentences is needed.

I disagree, the guy punched with the intention to hit someone. That escalated things and he got a punch in return. Quite normal in a fight. The guy escalated it himself by throwing the punch.

 

Where did you get the information about the padded bill ? Also if you dont accept a bill walking out on it again is also wrong and again escalates thing.

 

The guy has escalated it himself so he is at least partly to blame.

 

This is one of the reasons I don't fight it can go totally wrong.