Democrats vow to insulate impeachment inquiry from 'sham investigations'

[Tippaporn]

31 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don't know that he's excited. Business as usual really. What the 45 propaganda machine is doing is fighting a facts based and constitutionally protected impeachment process with deflections, conspiracy theories, fake process objections, and gaslighting. Putin would be proud!

 

They can't possibly defend 45's behavior with facts. His behavior is indefensible. So expect this to get even worse.

I predict that before the year is out you'll be eating crow, Jingthing.

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Ask and you shall receive, Jingthing.  I'm sure you were hoping I was just bluffing.

 

https://www.scribd.com/user/259237201/JohnSolomon

John Solomon well known and accused of magnifying small scandals and creating fake controversy. Disappointed with you for not providing any information from Alex Jones. 

[Tippaporn]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don't know that he's excited. Business as usual really. What the 45 propaganda machine is doing is fighting a facts based and constitutionally protected impeachment process with deflections, conspiracy theories, fake process objections, and gaslighting. Putin would be proud!

 

They can't possibly defend 45's behavior with facts. His behavior is indefensible. So expect this to get even worse.

Always blame your opponent of doing exactly what you're doing.  LOL  Your response is lame, Jingthing.  You provide no argument or evidence to dispute it.  Just the usual meaningless tripe that amounts to absolutely nothing of substance said:

 

. . . deflections, conspiracy theories, fake process objections, and gaslighting. Putin would be proud!

 

Where's the substance, Jingthing?  Any actual counterargument?  Countering facts or evidence?  Bring it to the table.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

John Solomon well known and accused of magnifying small scandals and creating fake controversy. Disappointed with you for not providing any information from Alex Jones. 

Yes of course, When I said you can find that garbage on infowars it was implied that you can also find the same garbage on thousands of other parroting far right wing pro 45 conspiracy theory sites and forums. Now we can find it here as well! You often hear interviews with hard core 45 fans spouting conspiracy theories out loud and when confronted with the truth, a typical reply is it must be true, I saw it on the internet.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

The only question is how many fools will believe that Trump withheld aid to Ukraine for his own personal gain with zero evidence

.

It is clear that Trump withheld aid from Ukraine in order to get a public announcement from President Zelensky that his country was investigated discredited conspiracy theories about the Democratic server and Joe Biden.  The evidence is in phone calls and sworn statements.

 

Why do you think he did this?  Personal/political gain certainly seems like a possibility.

[heybruce]

56 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I have no idea how you can interpret it to be wrong.  Care to point out specifically what is wrong about it?  Easy enough to say, "Well, I just think it's wrong," and leave it at that without providing any rationale as to how you reached your conclusion.

 

In any case, Congress has the power to approve funds.  The President has the ultimate authority to release funds or not.  Nothing wrong there.

 

As to your misinformation that Trump was interested only in Biden I suggest you go back and reread the call transcript.  From the top of page 3:

 

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though
because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a
lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with
this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess
you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say
Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the
whole situation .. I think you're surrounding yourself with some
of the same people.  I would like to have the Attorney General
call you or your people and I would like you to get to the
bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended
with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueler, an
incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with
Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it
if that's possible.

 

Show me where they are discussing Biden.

 

Don't know what you're talking about as to the WH lying about the funds being tied up.  Do you have a link?

You should have kept reading:

 

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

John Solomon well known and accused of magnifying small scandals and creating fake controversy. Disappointed with you for not providing any information from Alex Jones. 

When you cannot use reason, logic, evidence or facts to support your arguments then attack the source.  Is that your strategy, Eric?  If it is, it's feeble.

 

Also, the link I provided is to actual documentation.  No story lines, no narrative, simply hard, cold facts.  John Solomon uploaded them.  Are you suggesting that he made these documents up?

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Always blame your opponent of doing exactly what you're doing.  LOL  Your response is lame, Jingthing.  You provide no argument or evidence to dispute it.  Just the usual meaningless tripe that amounts to absolutely nothing of substance said:

 

. . . deflections, conspiracy theories, fake process objections, and gaslighting. Putin would be proud!

 

Where's the substance, Jingthing?  Any actual counterargument?  Countering facts or evidence?  Bring it to the table.

In you alone we could cite instances of what jingthing is claiming.

Remember when you posted a defense of Trump using Giuliani by invoking the use of Special Envoys in conflict situations?

Your repeated claims of parties in the Ukraine being behind the Russian election hoax despite that fact that it has been repeatedly debunked. Not even the Senate committee led by Republicans bought into that nonsense.

Maybe I'll go back and look for more of that stuff from you.

 

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes of course, When I said you can find that garbage on infowars it was implied that you can also find the same garbage on thousands of other parroting far right wing pro 45 conspiracy theory sites and forums. Now we can find it here as well! You often hear interviews with hard core 45 fans spouting conspiracy theories out loud and when confronted with the truth, a typical reply is it must be true, I saw it on the internet.

Here's your strategy, Jingthing.  Keep screaming, again and again, over and over, that it's all just right wing propaganda and conspiracy.  Never ever provide any meaningful posts with substance.  In which case all you are doing is propagandizing.

 

That's it in a nutshell.

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, heybruce said:

It is clear that Trump withheld aid from Ukraine in order to get a public announcement from President Zelensky that his country was investigated discredited conspiracy theories about the Democratic server and Joe Biden.  The evidence is in phone calls and sworn statements.

 

Why do you think he did this?  Personal/political gain certainly seems like a possibility.

More like a certainty. But the 45 movement which is really a cult of personality isn't actually interested in what is plainly so. 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Jingthing

[Skallywag]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Or do you expect him to simply willy-nilly hand over tax payer funds to another possibly corrupt government?

 

I don't know about you but that seems to be sensical to me.

You really think Trump knows more than the Joint Chiefs of Staff on this issue of corruption? 

The Pentagon vetted the "new" Ukrainian government, and approved the military aide.

Trump made a couple of phone calls to the Ukrainian president - they were about doing him a favor, 

Read the transcript.  He was attempting to bribe a foreign government for personal gain

[Tippaporn]

https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/breaking-leaked-documents-show-tens-millions-ukraine-paid-kerry-biden-jr-fund

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

You really think Trump knows more than the Joint Chiefs of Staff on this issue of corruption? 

The Pentagon vetted the "new" Ukrainian government, and approved the military aide.

Trump made a couple of phone calls to the Ukrainian president - they were about doing him a favor, 

Read the transcript.  He was attempting to bribe a foreign government for personal gain

Yes and the biggest flaw in portraying 45 as a champion against corruption in foreign policy are these two inconvenient facts:

 

-- He hasn't shown that at all on other countries

-- The only "corruption" he is interested in regarding Ukraine just so happened to be directly related to his own personal political interests. (Biden's son and the discredited server conspiracy thing about the 2016 election)

 

So anyone that buys that defense -- I've got a bridge to sell you. 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Jingthing

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes and the biggest flaw in portraying 45 as a champion against corruption in foreign policy are these two inconvenient facts:

 

-- He hasn't shown that at all on other countries

-- The only "corruption" he is interested in regarding Ukraine just so happened to be directly related to his own personal political interests. (Biden's son and the discredited server conspiracy thing about the 2016 election)

 

So anyone that buys that defense -- I've got a bridge to sell you. 

You're all so convinced that Trump has committed impeachable offences, so how come Nancy doesn't move forward with impeachment? Could it be that there isn't any actual proof?

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You're all so convinced that Trump has committed impeachable offences, so how come Nancy doesn't move forward with impeachment? Could it be that there isn't any actual proof?

You'll never convince them, thaibeachlovers.  More and more people are waking up to these elitist scams everyday.  There will be some who are irretrievably lost.  They're on these threads.

[Eric Loh]

22 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

When you cannot use reason, logic, evidence or facts to support your arguments then attack the source.  Is that your strategy, Eric?  If it is, it's feeble.

 

Also, the link I provided is to actual documentation.  No story lines, no narrative, simply hard, cold facts.  John Solomon uploaded them.  Are you suggesting that he made these documents up?

No I don’t think he make up the documents but I think he was trying to throw up controversy and hope something stick and someone or some agencies like the State Department or DOJ will react. So far, nothing not even a feeble rustling of interest from these investigative agencies. 

[johnnybangkok]

25 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

When you cannot use reason, logic, evidence or facts to support your arguments then attack the source.  Is that your strategy, Eric?  If it is, it's feeble.

 

Also, the link I provided is to actual documentation.  No story lines, no narrative, simply hard, cold facts.  John Solomon uploaded them.  Are you suggesting that he made these documents up?

That's exactly what we are suggesting.

[johnnybangkok]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You're all so convinced that Trump has committed impeachable offences, so how come Nancy doesn't move forward with impeachment? Could it be that there isn't any actual proof?

You do realise that all those people meeting and discussing the Ukraine affair (you know the stuff that's on TV with the Senators and all the other government people) is actually the impeachment process?

 

[bristolboy]

35 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/breaking-leaked-documents-show-tens-millions-ukraine-paid-kerry-biden-jr-fund

Thanks for the link, finally.

“Soon after high profile US persons were paid off, including the son of US politician and Vice President Joe Biden, the corruption probe into Burisma and Hunter Biden was shut down under threat from the US administration withholding $1B in aid.

The evidence is overwhelming that this is false, it being based only on the assertion of the fired prosecutor, Shokin, that there was an ongoing investigation of Burisma. Everyone else in a position to know says it that's a lie. And Shokin made the claim in support of the corrupt oligarch Dmytro Firtash, who is under indictment in the USA for racketeering.

 

[Jingthing]

25 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You do realise that all those people meeting and discussing the Ukraine affair (you know the stuff that's on TV with the Senators and all the other government people) is actually the impeachment process?

 

Yes of course. It's in a very formal, very official, very legitimate inquiry phase. After that we can assume (based on the obvious guilt off the current president) that we will then see articles of impeachment drafted and voted upon. If impeached (almost definite) then it moves to the senate for the trial phase which determines whether the current president is removed or not. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

You'll never convince them, thaibeachlovers.  More and more people are waking up to these elitist scams everyday.  There will be some who are irretrievably lost.  They're on these threads.

Indeed. Wonder what the haters will do when Trump wins another 4 years? Will we have another 4 years of continual whining from Schiff and Nancy?

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed. Wonder what the haters will do when Trump wins another 4 years? Will we have another 4 years of continual whining from Schiff and Nancy?

Our visitor from the future has once again blessed us with news from it. 

[thaibeachlovers]

32 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes of course. It's in a very formal, very official, very legitimate inquiry phase. After that we can assume (based on the obvious guilt off the current president) that we will then see articles of impeachment drafted and voted upon. If impeached (almost definite) then it moves to the senate for the trial phase which determines whether the current president is removed or not. 

Yes, then if Trump is cleared in the senate he'll use it in the  campaign to win in 2020.

If he loses, he'll leave president Pence to deal with Schiff et al.

I haven't heard much about the effort to impeach Pence recently. Could it be that that was just another nothing burger from the Dems mob?

[Tippaporn]

55 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

That's exactly what we are suggesting.

My jaw just hit the floor.  I mean, I've read some freakishly outlandish, flat-out false claims by you guys before, such as one poster claiming that Trump's leaked calls to Australian and Mexican heads of state were leaked by those respective countries, but this takes the cake.  With no proof whatsoever you assert that all of the documents uploaded by Solomon, and there are a lot of them, are not real and were in fact fictitiously created by Solomon.

 

If you previously had even the slightest credibility left at all you've just lost the rest of it, johnny, with this latest and most grotesque perversion of reality.  Wow.  Just wow.

 

Care to back track while you can, johnny?

[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed. Wonder what the haters will do when Trump wins another 4 years? Will we have another 4 years of continual whining from Schiff and Nancy?

I'm wondering what they'll do when the truth comes out.  Will they face it even when some of their idols end up in prison or worse?  I believe Schiff and Nancy will not escape unscathed.  To the extent they wouldn't be able to run for the 117th Congress.

[Eric Loh]

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed. Wonder what the haters will do when Trump wins another 4 years? Will we have another 4 years of continual whining from Schiff and Nancy?

If he win another 4 years, I will feel sorry for America and the rest of the world and I would say the global climate and environment too. Big if but if public sentiment for his impeachment, polls and the massive funds generated by the Dems are to go by, he probably will lose. The world will be a better place without him. Mother Nature will sigh a relief too. 

[Saint Nick]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

You should have kept reading:

 

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."

No!

Are you saying, a Trump- fan edited and doctored a source or a quote, to fit their own narrative?

Now I have seen everything!

????

[bristolboy]

46 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I'm wondering what they'll do when the truth comes out.  Will they face it even when some of their idols end up in prison or worse?  I believe Schiff and Nancy will not escape unscathed.  To the extent they wouldn't be able to run for the 117th Congress.

When the present is against you, you can always resort to the rorschach sample called the future  

[BobBKK]

7 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

When the present is against you, you can always resort to the rorschach sample called the future  

Oh so funny (but quite well put) but I see the circus coming apart in the Senate. Talking about the future it will be SO much fun when the Senate can call all those witnesses. Popcorn anyone?

[Jingthing]

52 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If he win another 4 years, I will feel sorry for America and the rest of the world and I would say the global climate and environment too. Big if but if public sentiment for his impeachment, polls and the massive funds generated by the Dems are to go by, he probably will lose. The world will be a better place without him. Mother Nature will sigh a relief too. 

We can't take anything for granted. He'll still have an advantage in terms of the electoral college regardless.