UK plans to introduce border controls on EU goods after post-Brexit transition

[vogie]

15 minutes ago, david555 said:

Yes , he is sole ruler on U.K. soil …..but a few miles out of the cliffs of Dover his ruling ….stops !…..frustrating it must be for all the Boris troopers here  , nothing changed on E.U. side  ...

Not yet, but there maybe many getting out of their beds next year realising that Barniers intransigence has cost them their livelihoods. But I guess you will still be singing 'we want Barny for our leader' whilst others may be a little cross with him.????

[david555]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Not yet, but there maybe many getting out of their beds on January 31st 2022 realising that Barniers intransigence has cost them their livelihoods. But I guess you will still be singing 'we want Barny for our leader' whilst others may be a little cross with him.????

losses for both  yes ….. but E.U.'s only a fraction comparing U.K's …., sad & meager comfort …. but a reality , as giving in should  makes bigger E.U. losses, priority's & principles  has to be made .  

 

Just like in a real life divorce case...

[Laughing Gravy]

12 minutes ago, samran said:

Never claimed to be such. Nice that you feel fit to put words in my mouth. At least you didn’t edit my posts I guess. Something to be said for that. 

If you read what I said, it suggests with your statement you "blokes who think they know about economics. That suggest you do.

 

14 minutes ago, samran said:

Nice that you feel fit to put words in my mouth

Again read what i said and not what you think I said.

 

15 minutes ago, samran said:

A basic grasp of economics would be nice though

For you or 'us blokes'.

 

16 minutes ago, samran said:

Still, it’s amusing watching people who claim to be right wing/right of centre arguing for tariffs and then pulling Wikipedia definitions

Not nearly half as amusing in fact hilarious as non Brits telling 'us blokes' whats right and whats wrong and what we should do.

 

If its not armchair economic experts, its those who claim to know what is best for the UK. You see how amusing it is.

[Laughing Gravy]

16 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

sorry but do have to correct you about #3.... the UK has (currently) 3 PM as #1 D. Cummings #2 M. Gove and #3 (the lowest ranking one) B. Johnson

The most ridiculous statement I have seen this week and that says something.

 

Can you show some facts with that comedy special you just announced, unless PM means pre-menstrual or another acronym that you seem to know.

 

As I mentioned in a previous posts the Brit bashers now can't get at Johnson directly, so they try his advisers.

[samran]

12 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

If you read what I said, it suggests with your statement you "blokes who think they know about economics. That suggest you do.

 

Again read what i said and not what you think I said.

 

For you or 'us blokes'.

 

Not nearly half as amusing in fact hilarious as non Brits telling 'us blokes' whats right and whats wrong and what we should do.

 

If its not armchair economic experts, its those who claim to know what is best for the UK. You see how amusing it is.

Shooting the messenger but nothing of the message. How entirely predictable the thin skinned!

[vogie]

17 minutes ago, david555 said:

losses for both  yes ….. but E.U.'s only a fraction comparing U.K's …., sad & meager comfort …. but a reality , as giving in should  makes bigger E.U. losses, priority's & principles  has to be made .  

 

Just like in a real life divorce case...

1.200,000 should never be descibed as a fraction.????????????

[david555]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

1.200,000 should never be descibed as a fraction.????????????

Shall I put it different way ?... as you try any gap you can find for not loosing on the discussion ….. I said ours would be a fraction (%) from yours so if that is as you described the multiplying factor is still on your side

 ???????????????? (1 more … lol)

[vogie]

Just now, david555 said:

Shall I put it different way ?... as you try any gap you can find for not loosing on the discussion ….. I said ours would be a fraction (%) from yours so if that is as you described the multiplying factor is still on your side

 ???????????????? (1 more … lol)

Well you would be wrong, it is estimated that the UK would lose about 432,000 jobs, whilst comparing it to Germanys job loses of 1,000,000, never mind about the rest of the other EU states.????

 

[david555]

Just now, vogie said:

Well you would be wrong, it is estimated that the UK would lose about 432,000 jobs, whilst comparing it to Germanys job loses of 1,000,000, never mind about the rest of the other EU states.????

 

future shall tell …..so at least you sleep good until the rough awakening …..

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

The governments own Brexit risk assessments. 

Possible risks , worse case scenarios .

What could happen .

that is not Evidence of what will/is actually happening 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Possible risks , worse case scenarios .

What could happen .

that is not Evidence of what will/is actually happening 

Where is the evidence it wont happen?

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Where is the evidence it wont happen?

Its not possible to provide evidence that it wont happen 

[englishoak]

 

52 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Where is the evidence it wont happen?

Wheres the proof any of it will ? 

 

I see project fear has turned into project whine, bitch and wish for the UKs failure, really being totally disingenuous...  sad jealous Scots, scared Europeans, excolonies or sexpats who chose to run away from their own country but cant stand losing either a referendum, an election or being so wrong in how things turned out bruising their know it all egos. It makes a real sad and loathsome sight tbh. 

 

Your all just begging for the UK to fail... thats all it is, just admit it. Ive watched many here since they arrived with their historic diatribe of posts, some over a decade or more and it tells me exactly what they are like as people, in short as worthy of respect as dog poo on my shoe. 

 

Guess what ? it wont fail, its not upto anyone to measure success for everyone else, anymore than it is to tell others what the future will bring, the sheer arrogance of doing so makes me want to  if you were smart or decent youd accept whats already done and stop predicting like scared and clueless children, you have ALL been wrong so far 100% of the time. Jesus even a broken clock is right twice a day and you cant even match that !!!!.   What a joke you doomers are.

 

I expect problems and failures like anything in life but overall the UK has already made it a success simply by leaving  and thats what ALL the naysayers cant truly handle.. its done, whatever the future the UK has already made it a success as we have already left...  

 

Keep whining, moaning and crying .. it will change nothing and any future disaster will be as a free and independent nation ... sorry if that offends 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, david555 said:

on both side you mean I think

E.U. told from beginning their stance , never changed …. 

U.K. never walked away , kept trying ….

Well I did mean the UK side but surely the EU "government" would neither dither nor want to stop the UK from leaving! ????

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

The EU have maintained the same position ever since the result of the referendum came in.

It was May who tried to dictate what parts of the EU she wanted to keep and what parts she did not.

The EU told her no chance. She eventually put forward a deal which no-one liked.

Johnson can sit there and bluster all he wants but the EU's position is still the same. What has changed is that we now have a PM who is stupid enough to drag us out of the EU with NO deal. The governments own risk assessments show no deal will be a disaster for the UK.

But this is what you guys voted for. 

The EU's position changes from bottle to bottle.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

England does not have a monopoly over people being stupid.

Ooh. All my Scots pals are stupid. I'll let them know.

[david555]

8 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

Wheres the proof any of it will ? 

 

I see project fear has turned into project whine, bitch and wish for the UKs failure, really being totally disingenuous...  sad jealous Scots, scared Europeans, excolonies or sexpats who chose to run away from their own country but cant stand losing either a referendum, an election or being so wrong in how things turned out bruising their know it all egos. It makes a real sad and loathsome sight tbh. 

 

Your all just begging for the UK to fail... thats all it is, just admit it. Ive watched many here since they arrived with their historic diatribe of posts, some over a decade or more and it tells me exactly what they are like as people, in short as worthy of respect as dog poo on my shoe. 

 

Guess what ? it wont fail, its not upto anyone to measure success for everyone else, anymore than it is to tell others what the future will bring, the sheer arrogance of doing so makes me want to  if you were smart or decent youd accept whats already done and stop predicting like scared and clueless children, you have ALL been wrong so far 100% of the time. Jesus even a broken clock is right twice a day and you cant even match that !!!!.   What a joke you doomers are.

 

I expect problems and failures like anything in life but overall the UK has already made it a success simply by leaving  and thats what ALL the naysayers cant truly handle.. its done, whatever the future the UK has already made it a success as we have already left...  

 

Keep whining, moaning and crying .. it will change nothing and any future disaster will be as a free and independent nation ... sorry if that offends 

Pure self-delusion at his best , you left and nothing changed , still paying and no say …… as said self-delusion , at least if you would blow up this lost transition we would start respecting " the 52% Brits" again

 , but no Boris with ball's 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

What so just because Johnson won the general election the EU should cave in to his demands?

You really over estimate the importance of both the UK and Johnson.

Malta has more influence over the EU's position than Johnson does. 

Even though we are out, somehow I think you are wrong about the Maltese level of influence w.r.t EU UK negotiations.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Well Tony Blair had a big majority, but he was fighting a sitting PM with experience  - John Major - so it was an achievement.

It is a well established historical fact (Like it or not) that the further to the left the Labour Party goes the bigger the Tory majority. Furthermore, in this particular case Boris was fighting the most unpopular party leader in the past 80 years (From all the polls I have read). Vast numbers of voters told Labour canvassers that Corbyn was the reason that they couldn't vote Labour (Like it or not). Boris hadn't got the stones to face Andrew Neil, but Cummings knew that the less of Boris everyone saw, the better the result for the Party would be. 

 

That is why nobody who follows politics - in the UK or Europe is impressed by his majority. In normal circumstances people don't generally vote for lying fat boy toffscum buffoons.

 

It never ceases to amaze me just how thick Boris is. Plenty of grandiose ideas, plenty of grandstanding, but (As his staff said in the Council and the FO) no grasp of detail. 

 

 

Major was a sitting duck.

[baboon]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

Pure self-delusion at his best , you left and nothing changed , still paying and no say …… as said self-delusion , at least if you would blow up this lost transition we would start respecting " the 52% Brits" again

 , but no Boris with ball's 

These arguments are just pointless now, I'm afraid. Both sides now inhabit separate realities and there can be no meeting of minds whatsoever. It's such a shame, really.

[englishoak]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Pure self-delusion at his best , you left and nothing changed , still paying and no say …… as said self-delusion , at least if you would blow up this lost transition we would start respecting " the 52% Brits" again

 , but no Boris with ball's 

Ahh but it HAS changed EVERYTHING, We already left ... already a success..... job done... Are you really so dense you cant even understand what a transition is or for ?  That currently ends on Dec 31 atm and even if extended the UK is in control of doing so NOT the EU ..... youve some waking up to do... stay mad lad. 

[sanemax]

9 minutes ago, david555 said:

Pure self-delusion at his best , you left and nothing changed , still paying and no say …… as said self-delusion , at least if you would blow up this lost transition we would start respecting " the 52% Brits" again

 , but no Boris with ball's 

The UK payments to the EU will completely  cease in the future

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

Yes , he is sole ruler on U.K. soil …..but a few miles out of the cliffs of Dover his ruling ….stops !…..frustrating it must be for all the Boris troopers here  , nothing changed on E.U. side  ...

Well I think the idea was that we would resume control of just the UK - not the whole of Europe - that was the EU's dream.

 

But something has changed on the EU side - it's quite a bit smaller now - especially economically.

[david555]

1 minute ago, baboon said:

These arguments are just pointless now, I'm afraid. Both sides now inhabit separate realities and there can be no meeting of minds whatsoever. It's such a shame, really.

And this should drag on for 10 month's ????? …. I doubt it …. it shall stop earlier..

[englishoak]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

The UK payments to the EU will completely  cease in the future

Im under no illusion the EU wont be able to get some donations from the UK in future, but it wont be payments decided by Brussels or any of the rules we choose not to fly by no. 

I'm sure  the UK will make financial contributions to things and areas it deems useful or deemed acceptable through negotiations. None of that bothers me tbh its the way of the world but its a far cry from being "told" what to do without any choice. The doomers just dont get it..  

[david555]

5 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Ahh but it HAS changed EVERYTHING, We already left ... already a success..... job done... Are you really so dense you cant even understand what a transition is or for ?  That currently ends on Dec 31 atm and even if extended the UK is in control of doing so NOT the EU ..... youve some waking up to do... stay mad lad. 

The best I can understand about the transition is that U.K need more time to prepare for not having a disaster .... and mean time still  hoping the E.U. would anyway roll over ….. really pure self delusion ….

But if you feel good with …. just carry on …. but nasty awakening looming ...

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, baboon said:

These arguments are just pointless now, I'm afraid. Both sides now inhabit separate realities and there can be no meeting of minds whatsoever. It's such a shame, really.

Remainers refuse to see any progress or change and just look for negatives . 

No open mindedness or thought . 

Just call everyone stupid , naysayers who think that  the world is going to end .

Very similar to the Labour Politicians who always vote against the Government , no matter what the vote is about .

   The Guys that caused the UK to stay in the E.U wilderness for three years and that caused the Pound to plummet 

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

The best I can understand about the transition is that U.K need more time to prepare for not having a disaster .... and mean time still  hoping the E.U. would anyway roll over ….. really pure self delusion ….

But if you feel good with …. just carry on …. but nasty awakening looming ...

 

Just to confirm, I feel good - in fact, I feel <deleted> fantastic and have done since 31st January.

 

So you just trot off and don’t go poking your nose into something that is neither of interest to you - or certainly none of your business.

 

You do spend too much time worrying about those of us who don’t give a <deleted> what you think.

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The most ridiculous statement I have seen this week and that says something.

 

Can you show some facts with that comedy special you just announced, unless PM means pre-menstrual or another acronym that you seem to know.

 

As I mentioned in a previous posts the Brit bashers now can't get at Johnson directly, so they try his advisers.

you should do some research, yes you and not me, update yourself with yesterday's comments after Javid quit and the reports that BJ is following Cummings instructions....but wouldn't expect you to understand that much, this type of news usually it's directed at open minded people, pity you are not one of them

[david555]

1 minute ago, Jip99 said:

 

Just to confirm, I feel good - in fact, I feel <deleted> fantastic and have done since 31st January.

 

So you just trot off and don’t go poking your nose into something that is neither of interest to you - or certainly none of your business.

 

You do spend too much time worrying about those of us who don’t give a <deleted> what you think.

Well I have to disappoint you as I am not planning to trot of ….

And good to hear you feel fine , just same for me also feeling fine , E.U. not giving in …, so both we feel happy … wonderful Brexit