44 minutes ago, JAG said:

 

On another thread he recently proclaimed that he wouldn't be abiding by what was (then) the various advice to protect against the virus because he would " think for himself".

 

There are two resulting images, the proud, independant free thinker, ignoring advice and perhaps now instructions, probably fairly safe as the inchoate enforcement process will not catch or sanction him. Probably how he sees himself.

 

Second is the arrogant foreigner, refusing to follow the rules which have been laid down, whether they will be effective or not, and which the Thai people are required to follow. Probably how the Thais (and many of us) will see him.

 

They will see that, and inevitably, many will see all foreigners as tarred with the same brush. That may have serious effects upon the futures of those of us with impelling (family) reasons for continuing to live here. For example;  I have a teenage daughter who is recovering from a severe psychiatric condition. If I am forced to leave that will remove the care and support central to her continuing recovery. But hey - you think for yourself.

 

By all means be sceptical, many of us are to varying degrees, but why not put up with it, fall in line, if only to respect those you live amongst and help keep or build the goodwill of those people?

Prayuth set the precedent when he illegally usurped power in the illegal coup so any laws,rules or instructions he issues are not legally binding as any free thinker would realise.

4 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Prayuth set the precedent when he illegally usurped power in the illegal coup so any laws,rules or instructions he issues are not legally binding as any free thinker would realise.

I'm sorry, but you have completely missed the point of what I am saying.

sure that is the only effective known way to combat the virus at this point in time but it must be spread over two weeks at least.

4 hours ago, Chazar said:

dont  have  a  phone  aint  playing  their  stupid  games

Me too, I had one many years ago ; I tried to teach it to fly.
It didn't like ...

 

As there will be no "toll" every 500 meters, it will not be difficult to have the mask at throat level and put it quickly in front of the mouth and nose just before arriving at these checks  points .

2 hours ago, faraday said:

The Proviso is, that if there's a 24 hour lockdown, 'our' friendly army will patrol the streets.

 

*Laugh emoji*

and as in Poland, the population will offer them flowers ....

9 minutes ago, JAG said:

I'm sorry, but you have completely missed the point of what I am saying.

I thought the point of what you were saying was that people should follow the rules and laws regardless of who they are or what they think my apologies if I got this wrong,if so would you like to explain further so I can get a clearer understanding of what exactly your point was.

1 hour ago, HeijoshinCool said:

So he's ignorant because he does not want to be tracked for no good reason? Not only will tracking not provide any beneficial info to the Thai government, it is totalitarian.

 

I don't know the poster, but I assume for the moment that he's a guest in this country? 

1 hour ago, Mattd said:

Strangely, the link to The Nation is not working for me, the server doesn't exist according to the DNS, also the same if try to go directly to the site in a new tab on the browser?

No problem for me using Chrome

4 hours ago, Chazar said:

dont  have  a  phone  aint  playing  their  stupid  games

Maybe they will provide one free

1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

Not to mention, some people are starting to get fat sitting around.

You can still do exercise indoors.

the govts added to the problem over and over,not banning china flights,sending crowds to immigration,not bannin boxing,sending people back to the villages after laying them off and allowing overseas workers to go home en masse,dangerously incompetent.they must think about this before they inflict more damage.a full curfew wont achieve anything people should be allowed access to supermkts and food over an extended period of time so crowding doenst happen,free testing and the nationalisation of private hospitals for the next 2 mnths to deal with the run on care.test test test but scam land oother wise known as thai private hospitals wont allow it,the new brit test may allow us all to test shortly...free and the thai govt needs to pay for it

1 hour ago, HeijoshinCool said:

So he's ignorant because he does not want to be tracked for no good reason? Not only will tracking not provide any beneficial info to the Thai government, it is totalitarian.

 

 

It is rather a pointless idea because you can simply download the app and not carry the phone with you. Many people have more than one phone so you can download the app on one phone for "show" and your second phone can be used to "go". Understand?

3 hours ago, faraday said:

The Proviso is, that if there's a 24 hour lockdown, 'our' friendly army will patrol the streets.

 

*Laugh emoji*

You can´t expect the bib´s wanting to do it!

govt has proven to be poor so far allowing the chinese to bring in the virus to the bitter end,allowing peole to spread it by allowing boxing matches,sending people back to the province after lay offs ,the same with foreign workers and sending people to crowd immigration,so crazy almost unbelievable,people must be allowed to go to drug stores and food shops over a reasonable period of time .16 hrs is enough to shop and not crowd or once again an own goal.nationalise the private hospitals for 2 mnths and test test test with the new cheap test from uk.thai govt pays too,they must do it as people cant afford it

3 hours ago, faraday said:

The Proviso is, that if there's a 24 hour lockdown, 'our' friendly army will patrol the streets.

 

*Laugh emoji*

The "friendly army" is under lockdown and can't leave their housing area's with a 21:00 curfew. Two of my Thai lady girlfriends are Thai Army ????

13 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I thought the point of what you were saying was that people should follow the rules and laws regardless of who they are or what they think my apologies if I got this wrong,if so would you like to explain further so I can get a clearer understanding of what exactly your point was.

That is my point, with the caveat that these are particular circumstances, which I think I clearly explained. I would also suggest that in his case, his motivation is not concern over the legitimacy of the government making those rules rather a desire to demonstrate that he knows better. Now he may know better, but: 1) to flout the rules in this way, when those amongst whom he lives is unfair, and 2) I ask that he should consider the possible repercussions of this approach upon the rest of us.

 

 

Imposing a lockdown is probably a sensible idea, although there are equally those who disagree with this safety precaution. Expecting a population of 67-68 million to do as they are told is pointless as we know they do what they want to do - not what the government or police tell them to do.

 

With this kind of mindset, the entire population will decide what it will do. Some will self-isolate, others, mainly the young and anyone in rural areas will simply carry on as usual. Why? Because there is no way of enforcing it here in Thailand. The police are largely ignored and anyway they are susceptible to money exchange in order for things not to change.

 

So, how many police officers are there are there? How many armed Forces personnel are there? If you total these together, and then distribute them evenly across the country into towns and cities, (not even including villages, moobans and suchlike, and bearing in mind this is a conscripted and ill-treated workforce, (Armed Forces, I mean), how many could occupy and patrol, enforce and regulate the population effectively?

 

It is clearly a nightmare scenario for any nation. UK, Australia, USA and Europeans together with many other countries have similar problems, yet we all extoll them as 1st world and therefore more educated, disciplined to abey the law and act responsibly - but they aren't and don't, do they?

 

Sadly, this will pan out in its own way. I self isolate with my family and enforce, where I can, social distancing, but all around me, I see Thais and foreigners not doing the same. We all do what we think is right, don't we? Rightly or wrongly.

.

3 minutes ago, BobinBKK said:

The "friendly army" is under lockdown and can't leave their housing area's with a 21:00 curfew. Two of my Thai lady girlfriends are Thai Army ????

Lucky git - two women in uniform, wow!

41 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Prayuth set the precedent when he illegally usurped power in the illegal coup so any laws,rules or instructions he issues are not legally binding as any free thinker would realise.

 

He is invoking what appears to be a Gazetted Act, albeit one which references a previous constitution, and was signed by He Who Shall Not Be Named.

 

 http://www.asianlii.org/th/legis/consol_act/edopaies2005582/

 

I suspect that the courts (Constitution/al) would back him up.

 

 

Get on with it. No time for Thainess.

5 hours ago, webfact said:

In term of what people should do, he said they should stay at home except for essential travels such as going to see a doctor.

Or going to the immigration office... to extend your visa or in my case do my 90 day address report for the 45th time... [as online doesn't work for me]

Let's say one hour a day allowed to get supplies. Besides the self defeating mass rush, just who is going to be behind the counters selling? Tesco open one hour a day? I don't think so. Staff would have to be allowed time to get to work site and leave after shut... and just when are wholesalers supposed to supply the retailers?

 

4 hours ago, Tayaout said:

Like it or not they will have to implement this when they realize that they lost control. Some countries tried a soft lockdown and they don't work. 

Singapore has no lockdown.. and it worked.

28 minutes ago, BobinBKK said:

It is rather a pointless idea because you can simply download the app and not carry the phone with you. Many people have more than one phone so you can download the app on one phone for "show" and your second phone can be used to "go". Understand?

I am curious to know how the world population was doing about thirty years ago when smartphones did not exist.
Suicide, maybe? 

4 hours ago, davehowden said:

Very muddled thinking.

 

A 24 hour curfew but with specific times for people to all go rushing to the shops for food , ensuring the maximum numbers of people are in the same locations at the same time.

This is how it is being done in China and most other countries. Do you have a better idea?

4 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Expect alcoholism depression and suicide rate to spike, due to economic issues, loneliness among other things. 

A leading world health expert just said that on RT.

 

Thailand must enforce a lock-down it has no other choice, if they don't the problem will escalate and other countries will lock Thailand out, if they continue to carry on with this incubation madness. Thailand should follow China's methods.

China has had success at reducing the numbers, they also use infra red technology that does not pass into the skin and kills the virus if it is on your clothes or hands.

 

Thailand so far, has managed to little to late, they left the door from China into LOS open allowing over 20,000 in a day after the outbreak occurred in December

The main outbreaks of C 19 occurring in NZ are from students and returning residents from overseas.

NZ hosts 100's of thousands of Chinese students, and has 500,000 Chinese residents.

Outbreaks are happening here and many of them from students who have returned from holidays in China.

 

From midnight last night NZ is in total lock-down, you can only drive to the supermarket or for petrol or medical assistance.

You are allowed to go for walks but must stay local and not go closer than 2 meters to another person.

If Thailand continues it mad approach it will be the end of Thailand. 

 

 

LOL!

OH WELL, lets just get on with it.????

3 hours ago, faraday said:

The Proviso is, that if there's a 24 hour lockdown, 'our' friendly army will patrol the streets.

 

*Laugh emoji*

You got that one exactly right. No rubber bullets and looting with robbery may happen.

We appear to have men of truly mediocre minds making inane decisions that affect everyone. It is very easy for this guy to suggest a lockdown with his fortune. But, what will the average person do to survive? Will Prayuth, Prawit and Wissanu volunteer part of their personal fortunes to assist the masses? 

 

The army seems desperate to consolidate the power they lost last year. They are whipping the public up into a frenzy. Still under 1,000 cases, and four deaths, yet they are behaving as if the sky is falling. Something does not add up here.