Pattaya: "Zero" tourists - last remaining Russians have cancelled and tourism industry faces 80% closure for up to a year

[Peterw42]

1 minute ago, Leaver said:

So, it's gone from 3 months to 12 months.  Which one is it?

 

In any case, doesn't this push the loss onto Thai banks?  That's going to have to come back somewhere.

 

 I don't have a property here.  I can see you have a conflict of interest.  Try to be subjective.  Do you really think this crisis will not / should not effect the property market here?   

You could pick from several options and time frames, the wife chose 3 months on a reduced interest rate, with no penalty. 

The banks are being subsidised by the government, its part of the stimulus packages.

Most Thais should be able to hang on to their properties and most expats will have no reason to sell. Sure the property market, new projects etc, will be effected but there isnt a wholesale dumping of property or price drops happening.

 

[Jajazazajaja]

This April 1st date for reopening gyms and bars

 

hows that looking? 

[Leaver]

1 minute ago, Peterw42 said:

You could pick from several options and time frames, the wife chose 3 months on a reduced interest rate, with no penalty. 

The banks are being subsidised by the government, its part of the stimulus packages.

Most Thais should be able to hang on to their properties and most expats will have no reason to sell. Sure the property market, new projects etc, will be effected but there isnt a wholesale dumping of property or price drops happening.

 

You do know there were already hundreds on the market here before the virus. 

 

It seems like there was already a "wholesale dumping" going on before the virus. 

[Enzian]

Written above: "Thais haven't brought this on themselves, they are the victims of the pandemic..."

But what about the rule of having a reserve for the unexpected, an emergency, a black swan? I've been nagging my Thai GF and my business partner (my son) for a couple of years about this very issue, and I have had some, though far from total, success. So what about the levels of Thai household debt? If you neglected to prepare for that perfect storm that someday would come, are you still just a victim?

[BangkokReady]

37 minutes ago, Liverpoolfan said:

Am I supposed to feel sorry for them?

Maybe a little.  They probably didn't have the same life choices that you had.

37 minutes ago, Liverpoolfan said:

Why didnt they study, go school, work in mcdonalds.

A lot of the time they don't really have that option.  The provinces and villages of Thailand are not the same as Bangkok and often they don't really have choice in what they do.  Unfortunately many Thais see their children, particularly girls, as being solely there to provide income to them.

37 minutes ago, Liverpoolfan said:

they are lazy mate. Dont try the sympathy game cos it aint working. 

So what you, a foreigner, wants to happen in a Thai city takes precedence over what Thai people want?

 

I don't need to make you sympathise.  What the Thai people do is not dictated by your ego.

[RJRS1301]

30 minutes ago, Jajazazajaja said:

This April 1st date for reopening gyms and bars

 

hows that looking? 

Rose coloured glass hope

[ChipButty]

If and when the flights are allowed back into Thailand what do you reckon the prices will be? only last week Phuket back to Manchester 4000 grand one way

[paulikens]

and the baht will still stay strong!

[ThailandRyan]

44 minutes ago, Jajazazajaja said:

This April 1st date for reopening gyms and bars

 

hows that looking? 

I would have to say its a pipe dream sir.  

[thaiboss]

the best time now to close all this sex trade destination for ever and ???? turn pattaya for happy family destination....

[daveAustin]

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

Will the rest of the world be doing these infrastructure projects ?

Thread's not about the rest of the world, and Pattaya wholly relies on tourism unlike most cities. They could take the opportunity to at least plan and get things in place for it to transform to their family-style destination and be ready for the eventual return of tourists.

[wotsdermatter]

5 hours ago, steven100 said:

no more use in posting the honest cabbie stories either.

No more drunken farang being assulted by bouncers

No more ladyboy thefts

No more taxi cab fights

You forgot:

No more sand need be bought.

No need to pay for construction of roads, drains, etc., that need replacing.

 

'nuf sed.

[Basil B]

5 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I suspect there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth going on right now at TAT who had been trying to tell us it would all start to come good again from next month. Should be easy though to now calculate tourist numbers. ZERO. Not quite sure how they will put a positive spin on that, but I am sure they will try.

I believe TAT shares a crystal ball with Donald Trump...

[Jajazazajaja]

26 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

I would have to say its a pipe dream sir.  

Ah. Gym and bar owner I spoke to now say May 1st 

[wotsdermatter]

2 hours ago, Liverpoolfan said:

They killed the golden goose!

When one is hungry even the feathers and bones can be made into a tasty soup.

'nuf sed.

[soalbundy]

6 hours ago, exparte said:

I think he is correct. I would go even father and say that tourist will not be back for 18 months. We all know the ignorance of most countries; Thailand will always be viewed as Asia and the Epicenter of the virus and people planning their Holidays will opt to choose other destinations. Pattaya and several other tourist destinations in Thailand will be devastated; Thailand as a whole will have to re-think its Tourist Economy. 

In addition the measures taken by Western countries to protect the workers who have lost their jobs etc means a recession and higher taxation is on the cards when covid-19 runs down. Many businesses in the west will have gone bust by then and many airlines aren't sure if they will survive either so Thailand/Asia in general is looking at low tourist numbers for some years to come.

[ThailandRyan]

14 minutes ago, Jajazazajaja said:

Ah. Gym and bar owner I spoke to now say May 1st 

One can only hope, but still a long way off...keep safe and sane

[phkauf]

4 hours ago, donnacha said:

My guess is that Thailand will legalize casinos for foreign nationals later this year, to attract back the Chinese market as quickly as possible. Pattaya will relaunch on that optimistic new note in November 2021 with its own brand new Wynn Hotel & Casino, with other giants to follow if it actually works.

Look for CP Casino to be located next door to Central Casino next to ThaiBev Casino. There is FAR too much money to be skimmed to allow foreign firms into the casino business. 

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, phkauf said:

Look for CP Casino to be located next door to Central Casino next to ThaiBev Casino. There is FAR too much money to be skimmed to allow foreign firms into the casino business. 

you forgot 7-11 Casino, and Family Mart Casino/Hotel (Spinoff of Circus Circus)

[Burma Bill]

6 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Mmmmmm, now who might that be ?? Chinese people whose economy haven't been hit so hard by all this probably....

Pattaya could become another Sihanoukville - many more Chinese hotels, bars, restaurants and possibly casinos to bring in the cash. Watch out you ex-pat pundits, your favorite bar stool may have gone forever!!

[Aussie999]

2 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

Will the rest of the world be doing these infrastructure projects ?

That's what they did during the Great Depression August 1929 – March 1933, look it up.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Aussie999

[geisha]

After hearing this morning that the Wuhan and other markets are now re opened, and selling the wild animals , bats, pangolins etc for food, I don’t think I want to go anywhere that has millions of Chinese tourists ! This is not a racist post, I have nothing against any nationality but I will not accept this barbaric behavior. 

[RickBradford]

6 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Mmmmmm, now who might that be ?? Chinese people whose economy haven't been hit so hard by all this probably....

They will certainly be taking advantage of their 'first survivor' advantage, and not just in Pattaya.

[White Christmas13]

3 hours ago, Ryan754326 said:

Pattaya has been an adult oriented destination for forty-plus years. I doubt that you were here before the early 70’s, enjoying a quiet time on the pristine beaches with your family, only to be interrupted by the gangs of roving sexpats who never left. 
If you (and the rest who think like you) don’t like it here, then please take yourselves to one of the many other coastal cities in Thailand that offer a more family friendly environment (Hua Hin, maybe?). As is evident from the ever-increasing number of bars here, there are many of us who still like to have fun.

The people who make their living in Pattaya don’t agree with you, and most of them will be forced to take less desirable jobs for lower pay if this mess keeps up. There could never be enough hotels, resorts, golf courses, shopping malls, or restaurants to employ all of the people who are losing their jobs in the nightlife industry right now, and even if there could, these people would never be able to make the same kind of money working in those kinds of places. That is why they CHOOSE to work in the bars.

Totally agree, my lady friend has to close her business which she only started

a year ago (hairdressing salon) her daughter and husband lost their job at the

Hilton and still have to pay a mortgage on the house not every body works in

the sex industry, think about them.

[hotchilli]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

He said that 80% of the tourism industry in Pattaya faces either temporary or permanent closure.

Sex industry faces closure.. I wonder what the new Pattaya beach resort looks like.

Maybe it's time for them to focus on what real tourists want and not the old sex brigade of beer & fun.
Time to re-model Pattaya for when this is all over or just bring back the old rubbish.

[Leaver]

15 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

Pattaya could become another Sihanoukville - many more Chinese hotels, bars, restaurants and possibly casinos to bring in the cash. Watch out you ex-pat pundits, your favorite bar stool may have gone forever!!

And they will pick it all up, cheap.

 

The Chinese government can stop their citizens traveling, so they will let Thailand bleed out slowly, and then come in and buy whole hotels, guest houses, bars, night clubs etc.

 

Pattaya nightlife will look quite different when this is over, and the Chinese have finished their shopping spree. 

[JASON THAI]

Don't worry TAT will say millions are coming in the next few weeks 5555

[Leaver]

12 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Time to re-model Pattaya for when this is all over

How do you re-model a lousy beach with filthy ocean water?

[KenKadz]

Can the Fishing Boats come back?

[scubascuba3]

59 minutes ago, Leaver said:

And they will pick it all up, cheap.

 

The Chinese government can stop their citizens traveling, so they will let Thailand bleed out slowly, and then come in and buy whole hotels, guest houses, bars, night clubs etc.

 

Pattaya nightlife will look quite different when this is over, and the Chinese have finished their shopping spree. 

People won't forget that this is the China virus, i think it will have a bad effect on China too