Why do thai men let the girlfriends work in bar

[Zikomat]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I don't look down on anyone except users, cheaters, those who rape the earth for profit, child molesters, animal abusers and crooked people in power. Do you know why women get into prostitution? Yes, it's for money, and a lot of it they don't receive. Some have been raped by fathers or boyfriends. A lot are forced into it by traffickers. Contributing to this is affecting the lives of others. It's illegal for one thing, and I won't repeat the immorality of it. Yes, some women just like sex, and something in their pasts led them to this lifestyle. Boredom from a mental illness maybe. But a lot are forced. There are other jobs.

Who are those traffickers in Thailand? The bus company the girls use to get from Isaan to Pattaya? I cannot think of anybody else. 

[ratcatcher]

There are on-line "Escort Services" that will come to your room by appointment. "You know the thing."

Most of these girls are really good looking and wouldn't want to waste their time sitting in a beer bar playing with their phone, when they can spend 3 or 4 hours on their backs making B7000. 

[Kadilo]

13 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I don't look down on anyone except users, cheaters, those who rape the earth for profit, child molesters, animal abusers and crooked people in power. Do you know why women get into prostitution? Yes, it's for money, and a lot of it they don't receive. Some have been raped by fathers or boyfriends. A lot are forced into it by traffickers. Contributing to this is affecting the lives of others. It's illegal for one thing, and I won't repeat the immorality of it. Yes, some women just like sex, and something in their pasts led them to this lifestyle. Boredom from a mental illness maybe. But a lot are forced. There are other jobs.

Save us the sermon Vicar. You sound like another poster who goes in and sits down with them for a chat to hear their sob stories while they are laughing at you behind your back. 
 

ive quoted what you said re “not having the necessary skill for a girlfriend and that is blatantly looking down on guys who choose a different path to you. 
 

As I said, they choose their path which is pay for play which is mutually agreeable by all parties involved and <deleted> up no one including ex wife’s and kids. Got nothing to do with having the necessary skills..........it’s a choice. What you do is your choice, good for you.

[OneMoreFarang]

14 hours ago, SteadyEddie said:

Why do the thai men let their girlfriends work in bar? I have met alot of woman that have bfs that work in gogo bars, I even met one girl whos boyfriend worked in same club. I understand the money situation, but surely the man must be hurting to see his girl go with different men most nights. 

Imagine you have a beautiful girlfriend. Every day she gives you a massage and you are relaxed and happy.

She also works in a (traditional) massage place, let's make it a 5-star spa, and she massages people there and get's paid for it. Do you think she does not love you when she also massages other people and get paid for her work?

The rest is same same and not much different.

In a way some Thai husbands of these girls are more mature then many farangs. The Thai guys know the difference between work and love. Lots of farangs seem to think the girl must love them when she "makes love" with them. 555

[KC 71]

2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Why do you feel the need to put that in 

 

You’ve been married twice. I am sure you have paid in other ways. 
 

.......and what’s with the constant body building reference. Do you want us to ask to see your pics or something?

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[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Perhaps the idea is a completely alien concept to us (westerners) who've grown up with the luxury of education and a welfare service befitting of western morals

Only to our utterly naive, sheltered snowflakes who just never even conceived of the idea that the same thing exists in Western countries. Western morals! Oxymoron.

 

I haven't read the whole thread but that seems to fit all of our supposed "men of the world" posting here. Yep, we gon' pretend that ONLY Thais would do such a thing.

 

Never even knew Linda Lovelace was married. OK, let's get a little education and move on. Nothing really to see here. Just the most famous:

 

10 Famous Pornstars Who Are Married & Leading Normal Lives

 

Tip of the iceberg. Then consider brothels in Western countries. None of all those ladies in Amsterdam are married? None of the call girls in London? LOL. 

 

How we miss the prominent cases that get into the news, I dunno.

 

An Iowa mom, wife and lawyer works as a prostitute in Nevada as a side gig

 

So, go read that and understand her reasons and what her husband thinks about it. One funny thing about this thread, too (that the lawyer brings out) is that few of our male posters here can conceive of the idea that just enjoying sex can be a woman's main motive. It harks back to quaint Victorian notions about women we seem unconsciously to have inherited and echo.

Valid points, however, the proportion of society involved in this trade is far higher in Thailand such this life has become the norm.

The same could never be said of modern Western society, such life, while it exists is by no means the norm, rather it is an outlier of society.

Its quite the opposite, where prostitution is difficult not to see.

 

Therefor, yes, 'Western morals' - because in most Western nations prostitution is not an ingrained facet of society that everyone sees unless they visit specific areas of Amsterdam, Soho (london) etc...

 

The Moral outlook is quite different, Prostitution is clearly viewed differently by society in Thailand compared to many of our Western nations perhaps for no other reason than it is so much more widely spread in Thailand through every facet of society.

 

 

 

[Emeraldisle]

I have a Thai friend who worked as a barboy before covid19. Bar fined him one night in Jomtien. We stayed friends afterward. He is separated/divorced. Has three children living with his mother in Isaan. I know because I visited his village with him. He sent every baht that he earned back to his family. Never kept any for himself. 

[473geo]

4 hours ago, xylophone said:

About the same % of farangs here who cheat on their Thai GFs and wives!

I suggest the revenue would be a bit too low in this arena to keep the Thai wife and GF in luxury

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

The majority of women everywhere aren't cheaters.

You're on your 3rd wife. I'm on my second.

Both my wives were cheaters, how about yours?

There must have been some reason for your 2 divorces.

Small sample size of 5 between us, so far 40% cheaters.

 

I thought about what qualities I wanted in a woman for a second wife (and what was lacking in the first).

The answer was, one that will have frequent sex with me.

Then I wondered about how to select such a woman ........ do I?

1) pick from a selection of older educated teatotal Buddhist/Christian virgins or

2) pick from a selection of young hookers who'll bang anyone if the price is right.

 

Logic dictates that a woman who'd currently managed to avoid all sex wasn't suddenly going to meet me then decide she was desperate for sex with me every night, leaving me with the only remaining possible choice.

Edited June 10, 2020 by BritManToo

[Matzzon]

15 hours ago, SteadyEddie said:

but surely the man must be hurting to see his girl go with different men most nights.

Yep, and by saying that it really sounds like you believe that all girls like to run with different men and not hurt at all. Very macho attitude. Well done!

[fredwiggy]

Just now, BritManToo said:

You're on your 3rd wife. I'm on my second.

Both my wives were cheaters, how about yours?

There must have been some reason for your 2 divorces.

 

Small sample size of 5 between us, so far 40% cheaters.

Both were bipolar and if you know anything about that, it leads to divorce 90% of the time. And I got custody of the children.

[Enoon]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Iand I won't repeat the immorality of it

 

It's just ****ing.

 

In the East it doesn't have a "moral" dimension.

 

No more than breathing, walking, eating, drinking, p****** and s******* have.

 

And doing it for money has no more "immorality" attached to it than mixing cement, or making a piece of furniture, for a wage, has.

 

The "immorality" that you ascribe to it is merely an aspect of Christianity.

 

One that makes no sense in the East, or to Easterners.

 

Any laws passed are just lip service to Western "ideals".  They are for "show" and thus are ineffectively enforced and routinely ignored.

 

And it's the same in many areas of social convention.

 

Christianity may have successfully penetrated Africa and dominated the Americas, but it has had least success in the East.

 

All the other "big" belief systems got there first, and were/are too well entrenched for Christianity to work its misery worshipping, guilt ridden "magic" to any great effect.

 

That is the main reason that the East is so "different".

 

A good idea for Westerners to grasp that reality if they're thinking of a life in the "Orient".

 

 

 

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Enoon

[ThailandRyan]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You're on your 3rd wife. I'm on my second.

Both my wives were cheaters, how about yours?

There must have been some reason for your 2 divorces.

 

Small sample size of 5 between us, so far 40% cheaters.

Add 2 more to your count, both of my ex-wives cheated, one was Thai, the other from Ireland.  100% for me.  

[fredwiggy]

47 minutes ago, Zikomat said:

Who are those traffickers in Thailand? The bus company the girls use to get from Isaan to Pattaya? I cannot think of anybody else. 

Just one example............https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1716767/rescued-human-trafficking-victims-in-thailand-nears-record-high

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, Zikomat said:

Because those Thai men don't consider foreigners to be the human beings. Just some weird creatures paying a lot of money for something they themselves get absolutely free.

No need for the overlay of silly victimism you've imagined. But foreigners being of a different culture and country, knowing no one, leaving soon anyway, is no doubt helpful.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Enoon said:

 

It's just ****ing.

 

In the East it doesn't have a "moral" dimension.

 

Anymore more than breathing, eating, drinking, p****** and s*******.

 

And doing it for money has no more "morality" attached to it than mixing cement, or making a piece of furniture, for a wage, has.

 

The "immorality" that you ascribe to it is merely an aspect of Judaeo-Christianity.

 

One that makes no sense in the East, or to Easterners.

 

Any laws passed are just lip service to Western "ideals".  They are for "show" and thus are ineffectively enforced and routinely ignored.

 

And it's the same in many areas of social convention.

 

Christianity may have successfully penetrated Africa and dominated the Americas, but it has had least success in the East.

 

All the other "big" belief systems got there first, and were/are too well entrenched for Christianity to work its misery worshipping, guilt ridden "magic" to any great effect.

 

That is the main reason that the East is so "different".

 

A good idea for Westerners to grasp that reality if they're thinking of a life in the "Orient".

 

 

 

 

Morality isn't just a Christian thing. Yes, here it's different, but that doesn't make it any more right.

[BritManToo]

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Both were bipolar and if you know anything about that, it leads to divorce 90% of the time. And I got custody of the children.

God never warned you then?

Anyway up to a sample of 7 wives (including ThailandRyan), 4 declared cheaters = 57% cheaters so far.

Edited June 10, 2020 by BritManToo

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Morality isn't just a Christian thing. Yes, here it's different, but that doesn't make it any more right.

Here you do not pay them to be with you, you pay them to leave.....

[NightSky]

Why do thai men let the girlfriends work in bar

 

--> they dont usually.

The ones that do, may do it so that they can tax money from the girl later so they can visit karaoke and give it to mia noi and drink lau cow until the cows buffalos come home

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

You do know it’s a novel, over 15 years old and yet seems to be worshipped by many as the bible. 

Probably more accurate than the bible, and more truthful.

But I don't need a book in order to know nearly all women (in LTRs with me) will try to cheat, steal and betray me if given the chance. It's in their nature.

Edited June 10, 2020 by BritManToo

[brewsterbudgen]

3 hours ago, SteadyEddie said:

What if the girl has a thai bf and a white knight comes along, would she leave the thai guy for him???

Most likely.  Although the Thai guy will most likely remain in the background, and once it's over with the "white knight" he may be back.  Assuming it's real love between them.

[OneMoreFarang]

15 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

The money has to come from somewhere

also it's often the girl ''choice'' to do this job as she thinks it's

the easiest and quickly way to earn money for someone with a low school level

and no particular skills for a job, except a nice smile and a sexy body.

That reminds me about a girl in western Europe from a long time ago.

She worked in this job and I asked her why she does that. She asked me what I think she should do instead.

I suggested maybe a cleaning job or supermarket cashier or something like that.

Her answer: Do you think I am stupid? I won't work the whole day if I can make the same money in 30 minutes.

I understand her point of view.

[BritManToo]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Her answer: Do you think I am stupid? I won't work the whole day if I can make the same money in 30 minutes.

I understand her point of view.

The one I lived with when I first came to Thailand used to charge punters in 5* hotels 40,000bht for the weekend.

Lovely girl, educated, very attractive, wanted sex all the time and a hopeless cheater.

Edited June 10, 2020 by BritManToo

[Catkiwi]

7 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Most likely.  Although the Thai guy will most likely remain in the background, and once it's over with the "white knight" he may be back.  Assuming it's real love between them.

He will often be introduced as the brother and allowed to spend time at the house, take her out "shopping" and generally get up to no good when the White Knight is galloping around down town.

[BigStar]

46 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Therefor, yes, 'Western morals' - because in most Western nations prostitution is not an ingrained facet of society that everyone sees unless they visit specific areas of Amsterdam, Soho (london) etc...

That may have been true before the internet and the rise of porno, now ubiquitous and ingrained. Now you can't find anyone who doesn't know all about it and seen it all from an early age. Most women over there have probably considered, if only in passing, getting in on that income stream. Moreover, the "wives" category on such sites is quite large. Many of them look like authentic wives alright. ???? All those millions of women on porn sites--we really thought they were performing with only their boyfriends and husbands? Or if not, didn't have any? Ridiculous. 

 

Meanwhile, where are all the Thai porn sites and mags? Moreover, you just never see Thais fornicating on public beaches. Who is? Western tourists. Who disrespects or even defaces areas thought at least somewhat important to Thai culture? Western tourists. I could go on but you see the point.

 

And anyone can google, just as I did, to discover the whys & wherefores without trying to make the silly claim that there's anything uniquely Thai going on here.

 

46 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Prostitution is clearly viewed differently by society in Thailand compared to many of our Western nations perhaps for no other reason than it is so much more widely spread in Thailand through every facet of society.

Not exactly as you're following a provincial Western definition of prostitution. (And, being provincials, we will adamantly insist on only THAT definition.) Moreover, prostitution as defined by Thai law isn't legal here whereas it often is in Western societies as defined there. I won't bother to explain the differences, pointless.

Edited June 10, 2020 by BigStar

[maprao]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The one I lived with when I first came to Thailand used to charge punters in 5* hotels 40,000bht for the weekend.

Lovely girl, educated, very attractive, wanted sex all the time and a hopeless cheater.

I think you must have been in Bahrain or somewhere like that if those were the rates 

Edited June 10, 2020 by maprao

[fredwiggy]

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Probably more accurate than the bible, and more truthful.

But I don't need a book in order to know nearly all women (in LTRs with me) will try to cheat, steal and betray me if given the chance. It's in their nature.

It isn't in nearly all women's nature to cheat, betray or steal. It happened to you, me and a lot of others because we picked the wrong women to be with. The right ones won't behave like that, especially if treated right.

[maprao]

From my perspective and 20 years association with Thailand men who visit Thailand fall into only 2 categories.

1. Men who have paid to be taken care of.

2. Liars

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[fredwiggy]

Just now, maprao said:

From my perspective and 20 years association with Thailand men who visit Thailand fall into only 2 categories.

1. Men who have paid to be taken care of.

2. Liars

????????

And there are those who came to Thailand to find a beautiful wife that's younger then they are, and also those that come to Thailand on their bucket list and met a future wife. And some who are hiding from prosecution in their own countries. Some who can't afford to live in their countries , retired, because of the cost of living.

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It isn't in nearly all women's nature to cheat, betray or steal. It happened to you, me and a lot of others because we picked the wrong women to be with. The right ones won't behave like that, especially if treated right.

My worst choice was the educated Christian virgin schoolteacher I married in the UK (from a devout Christian family).

All the Thai (Khmer/Viet/Flipper) hookers have been really great.

Edited June 10, 2020 by BritManToo