Britain nears abandoning Brexit trade deal hope - The Telegraph

[Bluespunk]

4 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

So honest they have to beg for money to keep going because nobody will pay to read their lefty rubbish.????

Oh dear, can’t refute their reports, so you go off topic.
 

My condolences 

Edited July 29, 2020 by Bluespunk

[bert bloggs]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Oh dear, can’t refute their reports, so you go off topic. How brexiteer of you. 

first thing a remainer does ,has a go at anyone who does not agree.typical.????

you lost ,get over it.

Edited July 29, 2020 by bert bloggs

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, bert bloggs said:

first thing a remainer does ,has a go at anyone who does not agree.typical.????

I’ve not mentioned remaining once.
 

However, what am I not agreeing with?
 

You’ve already admitted you won’t read the report and have put up no argument disputing the facts contained there within. 

[theoldgit]

Off topic troll post removed.

[Kadilo]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

What a revelation, the Guardian has started printing facts. ????????????

Remind us again, which media source do you use for you factual reporting?

[Logosone]

1 hour ago, bert bloggs said:

Greece has just announced that the future is looking good .owing to the hand out from the EU ,wonder how the people from the countrys that have to keep on propping the likes of Greece up feel? how long before they want to leave?

They don't get a choice. Millions of Germans would like to leave and don't love the EU nearly as much as the political taxpayer money recipients, ie politicians.

 

However, the very vast majority of Germans are taxpayer money recipients themselves, either through jobs in the overblown civil services and local government, or directly through social benefits. So they are very used to getting tax money themselves.

 

Only a small portion of Germans actually make money without taxpayers funding them, and they are the ones who hate high taxes, and don't love the EU very much. But it does not matter how they feel because in this democracy it is the bigger number that counts. So the recipients of taxpayer money, of which politicians, those in charge are the top slice, will decide.

Edited July 29, 2020 by Logosone

[RayC]

2 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

Greece has just announced that the future is looking good .owing to the hand out from the EU ,wonder how the people from the countrys that have to keep on propping the likes of Greece up feel? how long before they want to leave?

Quite a long time by the looks of things

https://europeelects.eu/eu-membership-approval/

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

Quite a long time by the looks of things

https://europeelects.eu/eu-membership-approval/

Maybe. That said, I expect the Irish will not be so happy now their new leader has just committed them to this: 

 

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/politics/eu-bill-for-coming-years-3200-for-every-man-woman-and-child-39389415.html

[bannork]

Double trouble for the UK according to the LSE.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/28/brexit-will-deliver-double-shock-to-uk-economy-study-finds-coronavirus

 

[Airbagwill]

On 7/29/2020 at 7:10 AM, bert bloggs said:

Greece has just announced that the future is looking good .owing to the hand out from the EU ,wonder how the people from the countrys that have to keep on propping the likes of Greece up feel? how long before they want to leave?

Feels GOOD! It's called being part of a Union........ UK will be BEGGING for handouts from the IMF within 5 years.......they'll blame the EU, Ovid, nurses and the NHS, the Unions but there's only one reason....Brexit!!

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Feels GOOD! It's called being part of a Union........ UK will be BEGGING for handouts from the IMF within 5 years.......they'll blame the EU, Ovid, nurses and the NHS, the Unions but there's only one reason....Brexit!!

It's the EU states who do all the begging. The frugal four's euros all being sent South. They all have to do Merkel's bidding, "Give 750 billion for Covid, then you lot can all shut your mouths.

As for Brexit it's all getting better, for UK's future you don't have to fret. Things have improved since we got Boris, and with Dom's help we'll get better yet.

[bannork]

53 minutes ago, Loiner said:

It's the EU states who do all the begging. The frugal four's euros all being sent South. They all have to do Merkel's bidding, "Give 750 billion for Covid, then you lot can all shut your mouths.

As for Brexit it's all getting better, for UK's future you don't have to fret. Things have improved since we got Boris, and with Dom's help we'll get better yet.

Hows the UK deal with China going now we've upset them? 

And the US? Apparently we're waiting for November to pass, praying the lunatic in charge is turfed out of office.

[torturedsole]

11 minutes ago, bannork said:

And the US? Apparently we're waiting for November to pass, praying the lunatic in charge is turfed out of office.

Kayne West is waiting in the wings.  

[paddypower]

6 hours ago, Loiner said:

It's the EU states who do all the begging. The frugal four's euros all being sent South. They all have to do Merkel's bidding, "Give 750 billion for Covid, then you lot can all shut your mouths.

As for Brexit it's all getting better, for UK's future you don't have to fret. Things have improved since we got Boris, and with Dom's help we'll get better yet.

truly, you made my morning. It sounds like Dom and you ''found your way upstairs, had a smoke and somebody spoke'' ...

[bannork]

6 hours ago, paddypower said:

truly, you made my morning. It sounds like Dom and you ''found your way upstairs, had a smoke and somebody spoke'' ...

'I read the news today, oh boy. Four thousand jobs lost in one day... I'd love to rejoin, join, join......'.

[Airbagwill]

13 hours ago, Loiner said:

It's the EU states who do all the begging. The frugal four's euros all being sent South. They all have to do Merkel's bidding, "Give 750 billion for Covid, then you lot can all shut your mouths.

As for Brexit it's all getting better, for UK's future you don't have to fret. Things have improved since we got Boris, and with Dom's help we'll get better yet.

What a sad, fearful and misinformed perspective you have on life.

[Airbagwill]

UK borders are not the slightest prepared for Brexit in any form....

Below is a list of WTO tarriffs.

 

 

[Loiner]

10 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

What a sad, fearful and misinformed perspective you have on life.

Well that’s obviously not my perspective on life or the UK’s future. Did you not understand my words? I’m full of hope and confidence. 

Why not try some Remainer misinformation with some tariff numbers - see if that makes you feel better, or if anybody else cares. 

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

UK borders are not the slightest prepared for Brexit in any form....

Below is a list of WTO tarriffs.

 

 

Trade agreements with other countries could wipe most of these out completely.

[Loiner]

12 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

UK borders are not the slightest prepared for Brexit in any form....

How do you know what the UK borders have/have not prepared for? I happen to know some departments have been preparing for at least two years. 

You sound like that other poster who claims to know all the inner workings of Boris’s cabinet and who’s pulling all his strings. 

[evadgib]

19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Trade agreements with other countries could wipe most of these out completely.

HMG clearly getting on with it:

 

UK Statement to the WTO Dispute Settlement Body on Appellate Body Appointments

 

Joint Statement of the 14th Meeting of the India-UK Joint Economic and Trade Committee

 

Negotiations on the UK’s future trading relationship with New Zealand: Update

[welovesundaysatspace]

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Trade agreements with other countries could wipe most of these out completely.

Really? What trade agreements specifically would wipe out what and how? 
 

Just looking at the very first in the list: dairy products. 

1) 91% of UK dairy exports go to the EU. You’re pretty much losing your only customer. You need to find a new customer who’s willing to buy c. 1 Mt of dairy products per year. 

2) That 1 Mt is about half the dairy imports of China, and about the dairy that Russia imports. It’s twice the amount of what Mexico, Algeria, Indonesia and Japan import. Those are the biggest dairy importers (excluding the EU) in the world. 
 

3) UK’s dairy industry is not particularly competitive. And I’m talking production cost here. Any tariffs go on top and make your product even less competitive. 
 

So who are you going to sell all that overpriced dairy products to? 

[kingdong]

On 7/29/2020 at 1:57 AM, Logosone said:

It's a simple questions of maths, isn't it?

 

The misconception that the EU needs the UK more than the other way round is based on a mistake when interpreting numbers. It is based on the belief that because the UK has a trade deficit with the EU, ie buys more from the EU than the EU buys from the UK therefore the EU needs the UK more than viceversa.

 

To illustrate the error of this obvious misinterpretation of figures consider this:

 

The EU - with a population of more than half a billion and an annual economic activity or GDP of around £15 trillion - has a trade surplus with Andorra, which has a population of about 80,000 and GDP of less than £3bn.

 

Does that mean that the EU needs Andorra more than Andorra needs the EU? It would, of course, be an absurd suggestion. Why? Because the EU's economy is so much larger.

 

And what about Germany's carmakers? The head of Germany's car industry association Matthias Wissman said last year: "however important the United Kingdom is to us as a market, the cohesion of the EU 27 and their single market are even more important to our industry".

 

The UK economy is both smaller than the EU's and has a services trade surplus. In 2016, services exports to the EU were 7.2% of UK GDP; for the EU 27 services exports to the UK were 1.1% of their GDP. All these figures point in the same direction. The UK looks more exposed in the event of disruption to trade relations.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46612362

 

Of course the UK is not Andorra and the pain for EU countries will be considerable as a result of Brexit. However, it will be much less than the pain for the UK, as the above BBC article makes clear.

bbc article?good old aunty beeb,world famous for its unbiased reporting and paedophilia,wouldn,t exist if it wasn,t for the con of forcing people to pay for it via a tv licence.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Trade agreements with other countries could wipe most of these out completely.

But it won't as those deals won't be in place. Here's the list of current trade deals struck by the UK from 1/1/21.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries#trade-agreements-from-1-january-2021

 

Still nothing to worry about. Five months is plenty of time to sort out things. Besides, the EU need us more than we need them.

 

[kingdong]

12 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

 

Still nothing to worry about. Five months is plenty of time to sort out things. Besides, the EU need us more than we need them.

 

cause the eu needs us more than we need it,whos going to make up the shortfall of our financial contribution?glad you,ve finally saw sense.

Edited July 31, 2020 by kingdong

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Really? What trade agreements specifically would wipe out what and how? 
 

Just looking at the very first in the list: dairy products. 

1) 91% of UK dairy exports go to the EU. You’re pretty much losing your only customer. You need to find a new customer who’s willing to buy c. 1 Mt of dairy products per year. 

2) That 1 Mt is about half the dairy imports of China, and about the dairy that Russia imports. It’s twice the amount of what Mexico, Algeria, Indonesia and Japan import. Those are the biggest dairy importers (excluding the EU) in the world. 
 

3) UK’s dairy industry is not particularly competitive. And I’m talking production cost here. Any tariffs go on top and make your product even less competitive. 
 

So who are you going to sell all that overpriced dairy products to? 

OK then: dairy products. 

The EU sends more than twice the value of dairy products to the UK as the UK sends to the EU. The EU imports are mainly from Ireland and those type of products could be mostly made in the UK after suitable agricultural adjustments, which could limit the need for both exports and imports. So in the long run, who will be the loser? Poor old Ireland that's who. 

 

I know that the UK’s dairy industry is less competitive than Ireland's. But when tariffs are considered, then both  greater domestic production and consumption works better for the UK.  
 

Now these tariffs work both ways:

Why don't we talk about...hmmm....cars?

[nauseus]

17 minutes ago, RayC said:

But it won't as those deals won't be in place. Here's the list of current trade deals struck by the UK from 1/1/21.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries#trade-agreements-from-1-january-2021

 

Still nothing to worry about. Five months is plenty of time to sort out things. Besides, the EU need us more than we need them.

 

See my post above.

[Rookiescot]

19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

OK then: dairy products. 

The EU sends more than twice the value of dairy products to the UK as the UK sends to the EU. The EU imports are mainly from Ireland and those type of products could be mostly made in the UK after suitable agricultural adjustments, which could limit the need for both exports and imports. So in the long run, who will be the loser? Poor old Ireland that's who. 

 

I know that the UK’s dairy industry is less competitive than Ireland's. But when tariffs are considered, then both  greater domestic production and consumption works better for the UK.  
 

Now these tariffs work both ways:

Why don't we talk about...hmmm....cars?

Your argument is fundamentally flawed. We export all that dairy to the EU because the EU IS our domestic market.

Once we are out then the EU will continue to source its dairy from domestic sources. Ireland. So poor old Ireland is actually going to score out of this.

The UK on the other hand is going to be sitting on a huge pile of dairy it cant sell. 

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

But it won't as those deals won't be in place. Here's the list of current trade deals struck by the UK from 1/1/21.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries#trade-agreements-from-1-january-2021

 

Still nothing to worry about. Five months is plenty of time to sort out things. Besides, the EU need us more than we need them.

 

Interesting list. It looks like they are all extensions of current deals with the EU.

[7by7]

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

Well that’s obviously not my perspective on life or the UK’s future. Did you not understand my words? I’m full of hope and confidence

 Maybe if you actually lived in the UK you'd feel different!

 

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

Why not try some Remainer misinformation with some tariff numbers - see if that makes you feel better, or if anybody else cares. 

Why not counter this 'misinformation' with some facts of your own?

 

Oh, I forgot; you don't do facts!

 

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

How do you know what the UK borders have/have not prepared for? I happen to know some departments have been preparing for at least two years

Some examples?

 

Oh, I forgot; you don't do facts.

 

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

You sound like that other poster who claims to know all the inner workings of Boris’s cabinet and who’s pulling all his strings. 

That'll be anyone who actually lives in the UK and watches Boris and his ministers perform.