6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

This surely means no deal is coming? 

 

"It would also override provisions on state aid - the financial assistance sometimes given by the government to companies - which has been one of the key sticking points in talks."

 

In this case, any deal negotiated would be voided by the removal of any agreement to maintain a key tenet of EU policy?

 

I am not sure I understand what the implications of removing the Irish Sea checks would be. If the UK did nothing on that front, are they intending to force the EU to put some sort of measures in place at the NI-I border, allowing the UK to claim that, in respect to the GFA, their hands are clean?

It would have consequences not foreseen now , as this could become reciprocal by E.U.  for other agreements on E.U. side example for the U.K. citizens in E.U. and of course " ping ponged" to E.U. citizens in the U.K. and other already agreements by both  …. meaning to ….square 0  including Air control travel...

19 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Please explain.

The EU has constantly reneged on what they signed up to in the Withdrawal agreement. They are in no position to complain if the UK starts to return the favour.

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Similar news mouse threatens lion. ????

 

 

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Come on don't exaggerate .... closest you got was" Larry "… ????forget the Empire ????

About time my country got tough on the EU parasites

6 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

What about protecting the beaches from illegal immigrants. They talk a good fight on the EU talks, but are utterly useless.

What is the EU doing about the illegal immigrants, who, after all entered the EU mostly from the Mediteranean, traveled across safe haven countries including France, and then are helped to cross the English Channel.

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

What is the EU doing about the illegal immigrants, who, after all entered the EU mostly from the Mediteranean, traveled across safe haven countries including France, and then are helped to cross the English Channel.

The UK’s borders are not the EU’s business. The UK has taken back control. 

For all those advocating no deal and walk away just be mindful of what will happen to Sterling/Dollar should we do exactly that and by default Sterling/Baht

 

Most industry pros consider it will drop to around $1.12 as we walk over that cliff

2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The UK’s borders are not the EU’s business. The UK has taken back control. 

The illegals trying to become immigrants are the EU's business. They are allowed to enter through various southern EU states and camp in France before they even reach the UK borders.

Here's some more pressure for M. Barnier. No chance of extending the deadline into November:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8704001/Boris-Johnson-puts-deadline-trade-talks-EU-insists-No-Deal-good-outcome.html

6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The UK’s borders are not the EU’s business.

I agree and that goes for the fishing too. The trouble with the EU, the Scottish mafia on here and the EU sympathisers is that they are a protectionist racquet.

 

When a country like the UK wants to protect itself like its fishing, like its business then the named lot start stamping and kicking their feet.

 

Finally the UK has a person in Frost who is putting the UK first. So the Dutch, French and the Irish posters are in arms over the fact that the UK is looking after itself.

 

 

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Britain will not blink first in

This British government looks like a subborn little child but is not working for the benefit of British people. 

All on their egomaniac trip as usual. 

"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do"

Luke 23,34 ????

6 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Good on the UK. Be tough and protect our fisheries.

That's funny.

And because the UK made and still make this huge issue out of the fish, which is a tiny part of the UK business, they will possibly not make a trade agreement which would be useful in almost any other area of business.

I am sure the UK would still profit overall if they would pay all UK fishermen a good salary every month for not working.

But then again if people would have used logic then there wouldn't be Brexit.

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Here's some more pressure for M. Barnier. No chance of extending the deadline into November:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8704001/Boris-Johnson-puts-deadline-trade-talks-EU-insists-No-Deal-good-outcome.html

This is stupid.

Boris re negotiated the WA and NI protocol. Signed the agreement and then called a GE to avoid parliamentary scrutiny of the WA.

Based the Conservative campaign on the  oven ready deal. 

On winning the GE parliament ratified the WA , thus it became international law.

 

Now we have a group of Brexit MPs who voted for the WA saying they did not know what was in the WA.

 

The UK is now threatening to not honour some of its international obligations in regards of the WA and NI protocol.

 

This will leave the UKs reputation  in tatters internationally.

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

But then again if people would have used logic then there wouldn't be Brexit

If there was logic they would never let Germany rebuild and rise again.  Those countries like France and Holland who were decimated would not have come running to the Germans to do there bidding.

 

But at least the people of the UK voted in a democratic referendum and voted leave. 

 

And your use of logic is fine for your country but not for mine.

13 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I agree and that goes for the fishing too. The trouble with the EU, the Scottish mafia on here and the EU sympathisers is that they are a protectionist racquet.

 

When a country like the UK wants to protect itself like its fishing, like its business then the named lot start stamping and kicking their feet.

 

Finally the UK has a person in Frost who is putting the UK first. So the Dutch, French and the Irish posters are in arms over the fact that the UK is looking after itself.

 

 

Is that why UK negotiators have pleaded with Dublin to ask the EU Commission  to change the NI protocol.

There was a time when experts from each country, or group of countries, looked at all the details and then then worked out what makes sense for both countries.

And at some stage this changed to lots of (often incorrect) information in the media and politicians who manipulate the masses. And those politicians do this obviously for their own reasons and not for the masses.

And if the frenzy is big enough then the masses are manipulated to concentrate on tiny issues without looking at the big picture.

Now it seems soon the intense trading between the UK and EU will drop tremendously. And why? Because of that totally overhyped fishermen issue and obviously because of "taking back control".

I miss the good old times with the experts...

8 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

And your use of logic is fine for your country but not for mine.

Would you call what Boris does "logic"?

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There was a time when experts from each country, or group of countries, looked at all the details and then then worked out what makes sense for both countries.

And at some stage this changed to lots of (often incorrect) information in the media and politicians who manipulate the masses. And those politicians do this obviously for their own reasons and not for the masses.

And if the frenzy is big enough then the masses are manipulated to concentrate on tiny issues without looking at the big picture.

Now it seems soon the intense trading between the UK and EU will drop tremendously. And why? Because of that totally overhyped fishermen issue and obviously because of "taking back control".

I miss the good old times with the experts...

You don't understand that the UK wants to be the UK again in its entirety then..?

If you don't understand that, then how can you understand experts......????

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

Would you call what Boris does "logic"?

You just have a thing about Boris, and it shows....????

Just now, transam said:

You don't understand that the UK wants to be the UK again in its entirety then..?

If you don't understand that, then how can you understand experts......????

When you say this is what the "UK" wants, what do you mean with UK here?

- UK politicians like Boris?

- UK citizens?

- UK business?

I guess you will mention that referendum were 52% votes to leave the EU. Yes, they did that. And the politicians promised at that time that the EU-UK trade agreement would be the easiest ever, nothing will change, etc..

Now what happened with that promise?

How many people would have voted for hard Brexit with no trade agreement? Definitely a lot less than 50%.

4 minutes ago, transam said:

You just have a thing about Boris, and it shows....????

Or maybe I just see the difference between BS and logic.

He is a serial liar. Everybody who cares knows that. What can you expect from a serial liar?

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Or maybe I just see the difference between BS and logic.

He is a serial liar. Everybody who cares knows that. What can you expect from a serial liar?

He is not a serial liar though 

13 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

This is stupid.

Boris re negotiated the WA and NI protocol. Signed the agreement and then called a GE to avoid parliamentary scrutiny of the WA.

Based the Conservative campaign on the  oven ready deal. 

On winning the GE parliament ratified the WA , thus it became international law.

 

Now we have a group of Brexit MPs who voted for the WA saying they did not know what was in the WA.

 

The UK is now threatening to not honour some of its international obligations in regards of the WA and NI protocol.

 

This will leave the UKs reputation  in tatters internationally.

Turns out the WA and NI protocol was not so good after all, but it was a start. Anyway, the GE got us past the Remainer parliament's betrayal of the Referendum result. Seems like it has now become a case of No WA is better than a bad WA. 

 

There's no honour to be lost in any dealings which overcome the EU's clutches, so ditching all the previously made 'obligations' is acceptable.

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

When you say this is what the "UK" wants, what do you mean with UK here?

- UK politicians like Boris?

- UK citizens?

- UK business?

I guess you will mention that referendum were 52% votes to leave the EU. Yes, they did that. And the politicians promised at that time that the EU-UK trade agreement would be the easiest ever, nothing will change, etc..

Now what happened with that promise?

How many people would have voted for hard Brexit with no trade agreement? Definitely a lot less than 50%.

You are wavering, you are going back a few years with your waffle, a time when Boris was not PM..

A few months back a general election shot folk like down in flames..You must remember that surely.....????

Now if you have a thing about Boris, that's OK, honest....????

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Or maybe I just see the difference between BS and logic.

He is a serial liar. Everybody who cares knows that. What can you expect from a serial liar?

Naaah, you just see what you want to see, shame you don't see that Boris and the Tory party don't cuddle up to terrorists eh.....????

EU has new trade deals with the US, Japan and China. 

UK remains just an itch in the hinny. UK blinking not necessary.

44 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The illegals trying to become immigrants are the EU's business. They are allowed to enter through various southern EU states and camp in France before they even reach the UK borders.

Really? Under what law or agreement are people that the UK considers “illegals” EU business? There’s none. If the UK has a problem with “illegal immigrants” then that’s the UK’s problem.

 

41 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

When a country like the UK wants to protect itself like its fishing, like its business then the named lot start stamping and kicking their feet.

I haven’t seen anyone “stamping and kicking their feet”. Except the UK maybe who seems to feel a great need to tell everyone that it “won’t blink first” and want to be “taken seriously”. 

 

30 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

If there was logic they would never let Germany rebuild and rise again.  Those countries like France and Holland who were decimated would not have come running to the Germans to do there bidding.

 

But at least the people of the UK voted in a democratic referendum and voted leave. 

 

And your use of logic is fine for your country but not for mine.

lol and if that referendum was rerun tomorrow in light of the clear catastrophic lies that were pushed by the Tories what do you think the result would be !!

Firstly you'd have a full turn out this time and likely in excess of 75% wishing to rightfully remain and likely higher

Its been an utter appalling shambles and you know it......