U.S. President Trump and Melania test positive for COVID-19

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

If I was Trump I'd milk it for all it was worth and get the election delayed. I imagine Biden trying to push through an election against a man on a respirator would work against him big time

It doesn't work that way, Pence would take over if Trump was incapacitated.

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, mickymouse1 said:

Finally Karma worked on him.

I wonder why he was carrying that black mask recently?

Protecting his pocket.55555

I now think he will believe DR F

be nice.... karma will work with any and all of us, it's just a question of time  555

[Phoenix Rising]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The minority, like the Anti-Trump supremacists.

Who are you calling "supremacists" and what do you mean by that?

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The minority, like the Anti-Trump supremacists.

Perhaps you can explain what makes somebody who is anti Trump a supremacist?

[Walker88]

The nightmare scenario for Repubs is if both 45 & VP become incapacitated, putting SotH Pelosi in the Oval Office as POTUS.

 

She could then:

 

-Pull the Barrett nomination and replace her with Merrick Garland; it wouldn't pass until Dems re-take the Senate and are installed 6 or 7 January with the newly elected Congress, but it would mean Barrett has zero chance

 

-Fire AG Barr

 

-Fire DNI Ratcliffe

 

-Fire DHS Chief Wolf

 

-Fire SecState Pompeo

 

-Fire "Snr Advisers" jared and ivanka.

 

As sitting POTUS, she would have that authority.

[tomazbodner]

26 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Right now, with 7+ million official cases and 206,000+ CV deaths since the beginning, the U.S. is running a case fatality ratio of about 2.9%, meaning that's the share who are dying overall out of all confirmed infection cases. Obviously, the share skews higher with the higher ages and other issues.

 

The official infection rate is 63+ per 100,000 population, though that's widely considered to be a vast undercount due to lack of testing.

 

 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality'

 

True, true, but how many of these affected badly are 70+, overweight, hate exercise and have diet consisting of McDonald's, KFC and Coca Cola?

[patman30]

30 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

he's over 70 and fat, so there a a 1 in 20 chance he'll die

do you have a source for this statement please ?
or is this just your opinion ?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

The nightmare scenario for Repubs is if both 45 & VP become incapacitated, putting SotH Pelosi in the Oval Office as POTUS.

 

She could then:

 

-Pull the Barrett nomination and replace her with Merrick Garland; it wouldn't pass until Dems re-take the Senate and are installed 6 or 7 January with the newly elected Congress, but it would mean Barrett has zero chance

 

-Fire AG Barr

 

-Fire DNI Ratcliffe

 

-Fire DHS Chief Wolf

 

-Fire SecState Pompeo

 

-Fire "Snr Advisers" jared and ivanka.

 

As sitting POTUS, she would have that authority.

Every cloud has a silver lining.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Cod Face said:

My point was that 200,000 Americans have not been killed by Covid-19 alone, there were underlying causes in the majority of cases.   The quoted 'flu figures relate to those who were killed by influenza, no mention has been made of other complications in the 'flu numbers.

Presumably you also regard the fact America has the highest number of active coronavirus cases - 2.5 million, more than double anywhere else, as trivial. That figure isn't going anywhere, as people die or get better more join it.

You think your hospital and quarantine system can handle an extra 2.5 million caseload? I don't.

[Eric Loh]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I assume you are misinterpreting the Comorbidities section.  The Covid 19 virus rarely kills directly, but it causes lethal comorbidities such as pneumonia and respiratory failure which then cause death.  It's still death caused by the virus.

Drew a mixture of shock, sympathy, undisguised glee as well as outrage and curiosity across the world.

Dr Tedros sent best wishes and quick recovery which is classy. Tokyo sent a cheeky message to remind the importance of mask. China had a jab at Trump saying “POTUS paid the price for his gamble to play down COVID-19”. Iran expectedly was unkind with unflattering image of Trump surrounded by giant coronavirus. Wonder is this a shock advertising by Trump to boast his brand. Quite disastrous, I must say. 

[patman30]

2 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

True, true, but how many of these affected badly are 70+, overweight, hate exercise and have diet consisting of McDonald's, KFC and Coca Cola?

IMO, that is their own life choices,
something the rest of the public should not be concerned with
definitely not something we should close economies for.

[J Town]

1 minute ago, patman30 said:

do you have a source for this statement please ?
or is this just your opinion ?

If you have seen ANY of my posts, you'll figure out I can't stand the tangerine sack of sins, but 1 in 20 chances of mortality? No.

[patman30]

17 minutes ago, J Town said:

I challenge you to find one person on this forum who has EVER cheered economies getting shut down

On 10/1/2020 at 7:18 AM, Jeffr2 said:

For those of us over 70, yes, shutting down the globe is OK.  We have rights also.

????

[KarenBravo]

39 minutes ago, Tchooptip said:

Since I believe in both, karma and you reap as you sow, which for me are the same thing It was not ironic at all. I wanted to say this is another way of saying karma more accepted by many.

You obviously don't understand the concept of Karma.

What you do in this life affects what happens in the NEXT life.

If Karma operated within one life-time, mob-bosses wouldn't die peacefully in their beds and bad things wouldn't happen to good people.

[Odysseus123]

48 minutes ago, patman30 said:

he is NOT my leader
i am not for or against the man
he is in the position he is in
a position you are not in and never will be
but yet all you can do is criticise people playing their roles
just like you would characters in a soap opera
as long as you get to make your choice, of the 2 options presented to you, right ?

but again, wishing harm or suffering to others is immoral
regardless of their actions, choices, race, beliefs, occupation, etc. etc.

yet you seem to think its fine for yourself to wish harm or suffering upon others
whilst also expecting others to suffer just to make you feel a little bit safer

There are not 2  positions..this is called "dualism" and is the only default position now embraced by the intellectually challenged (and uneducated) of the extreme American right which has lurched from disaster (libertarianism) to unmitigated catastrophe "isolationist white supremacy" of the United States and its sleazy cohorts in the UK and Germany..

 

I wish no harm on anyone and in actual fact have probably treated more people in 3rd word and impoverished conditions than you will ever do as I worked with great men and women in disaster zones and disease riddled 3rd world countries.

 

I decry the utter incompetence of the political leadership of such nations which indulge in right wing demagoguery to the harm of their own citizens.

 

I denounce the utter loons who claimed for 10 months that this was a scam run by Bill Gates,the Illuminatti,the Chinese,George Soros.the Democrats...the penguins of Adelaide island..the Hottentots...not to mention the loony tunes who huddle under mobile phone towers gnawing away with their false teeth on the pylons (5G) and others so bereft of any form of scientific knowledge that they merely proclaim that Covid is the '"Flu".

 

It is well noted that none of these intellectual genius' on this forum will ever state their academic qualifications-because they have none.

 

If anyone wanted to ever study the intellectual dumbing down of the Western world then this fiasco of the present day internet is a golden opportunity to do so.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Odysseus123

[Somtamnication]

Start the hydroxycloroquine, inject the bleach and start hoping, buddy!!!

[patman30]

51 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Is wishing harm on others also immoral when the world as a whole and the US in particular would be better off without him?

do you prefer "social mob rule" over democracy ?

i dont play the game myself, but its why countries have elections, no ?

Edited October 2, 2020 by patman30
incorrect wording used ammitedly

[polpott]

1 minute ago, patman30 said:

do you prefer socialism over democracy ?

They're not mutually exclusive. You can democratically elect a socialist government. Common in Europe.

[dunroaming]

4 hours ago, dabhand said:

Wow.

 

An election game changer?

Could be.  Although it is hard to judge in which direction at the moment.  Trump will probably gain some sympathy though it is never his MO to try that.  He prefers to be seen as the bully.  He has played down the pandemic since day one, only rarely wearing a mask and ridiculing others for doing so.  The cost of his approach has no doubt added to the amount of body bags.  However his supporters won't see it that way.

 

Trump's cavalier attitude to the pandemic, holding large rallies and packing them full of his supporters, along with rarely wearing, or having his entourage wearing masks in public, lend to the irony of him now having the virus.

 

I assume there will now be no toe to toe sessions with Biden before the election and it looks like Trump will have to conduct his electioneering from within the White House from now on.  Does this mean that Pence will have to get out and about campaigning in his place?????

 

 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

40 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Us? Do you think you are a spokesperson?

When I first came to Thailand, in 1992, I meditated for many hours a day in Suan Mokh, the temple of Ajarn Buddhadhassa Bikku, the famous monk. Over the years, my faith has changed and I'm not not a Buddhist but believe in God. My morning meditation and prayer has dropped to 30 minutes. 

Now I've answered you, can you tell us how much time you spend a day doing self-examination/prayer?

 

What does your meditation regime have to do with Donald Trump contracting the Corona Virus anyhow? How about you pray and meditate for the hope that the horrible example Donald Trump has set during the corona virus and the consequences he is paying now will maybe get some other people to rethink their behavior about Covid 19.

[J Town]

Just now, polpott said:

They're not mutually exclusive. You can democratically elect a socialist government. Common in Europe.

And the US, loosely defined as a Democracy (I know, it's technically a Republic but calls itself a Democracy), has many socialist programs. Schools, roads, libraries, firefighters, blah blah blah.

[patman30]

26 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I assume you are misinterpreting the Comorbidities section.  The Covid 19 virus rarely kills directly, but it causes lethal comorbidities such as pneumonia and respiratory failure which then cause death.  It's still death caused by the virus.

"The CDC data shows the vast majority have not died with C19 alone"

i did not state what was the actual cause of these deaths
merely stated these deaths were not soley by covid, as CDC data clearly shows
huge difference in my statement????

[Mavideol]

9 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

You obviously don't understand the concept of Karma.

What you do in this life affects what happens in the NEXT life.

If Karma operated within one life-time, mob-bosses wouldn't die peacefully in their beds and bad things wouldn't happen to good people.

nothing to do with NEXT life since there is no next life

 

The definition of karma is the destiny that you earn through your actions and behavior. When you behave kindly, this is an example of a situation where you earn good karma that will result in good things happening to you in the future.

kar·ma

• 1. (in Hinduism and Buddhism) the sum of a person's actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences.

 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Mavideol

[J Town]

1 minute ago, dunroaming said:

Could be.  Although it is hard to judge in which direction at the moment.  Trump will probably gain some sympathy though it is never his MO to try that.  He prefers to be seen as the bully.  He has played down the pandemic since day one, only rarely wearing a mask and ridiculing others for doing so.  The cost of his approach has no doubt added to the amount of body bags.  However his supporters won't see it that way.

 

Trump's cavalier attitude to the pandemic, holding large rallies and packing them full of his supporters, along with rarely wearing, or having his entourage wearing masks in public, lend to the irony of him now having the virus.

 

I assume there will now be no toe to toe sessions with Biden before the election and it looks like Trump will have to conduct his electioneering from within the White House from now on.  Does this mean that Pence will have to get out and about campaigning in his place?????

I believe Pence will soon be grounded as well. He was in close contact with plenty of spreaders.

[KarenBravo]

8 minutes ago, patman30 said:

do you prefer socialism over democracy ?

i dont play the game myself, but its why countries have elections, no ?

There are many countries that are both. It's not an either / or situation.

 

I'm guessing that you are American as they usually equate Socialism as Communism Lite.

Here's a clue. Your police, fire department and social security are all socialist (government run)

Edited October 2, 2020 by KarenBravo

[KarenBravo]

6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

nothing to do with NEXT life since there is no next life

 

The definition of karma is the destiny that you earn through your actions and behavior. When you behave kindly, this is an example of a situation where you earn good karma that will result in good things happening to you in the future.

kar·ma

• 1. (in Hinduism and Buddhism) the sum of a person's actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences.

 

 

 

Try reading your own definition.

 

1. (in Hinduism and Buddhism) the sum of a person's actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences.

Both religions believe in re-incarnation.

Edited October 2, 2020 by KarenBravo

[animatic]

October Surprise!

 

but I am not surprised

[pacovl46]

Yes!!! ???? Karma is such a bitch! Maybe Biden won’t have an opponent to compete with very soon! 
 

I wouldn’t be surprised, though, if this was just a ploy to fish for sympathy since he’s behind on the polls and lost the first debate! 

Edited October 2, 2020 by pacovl46

[Walker88]

7 minutes ago, polpott said:

They're not mutually exclusive. You can democratically elect a socialist government. Common in Europe.

We have plenty of Socialism in the US and most everybody likes it.

 

-the Interstate highway system

-the Dept of Defense

-the FAA and the air traffic control system

-The FDA that inspects food and approves drugs

-FDIC that insures bank deposits of $250K and less

-etc.

 

By the way, Biden is hardly a Socialist, but that silly charge resonates among the uneducated

[Fat is a type of crazy]

9 minutes ago, patman30 said:

do you prefer socialism over democracy ?

i dont play the game myself, but its why countries have elections, no ?

It's socialism or capitalism and many countries combine the two in varying ratios successfully. America has socialism - army, post office, Medicaid etc .

Australia has a bit more socialism with easier access to health care, higher minimum wages,  but it's still predominately capitalist. Our right wing party is in many ways to the left of democrats.

America is to the right of Australia and much of Europe and would have to go a long way left before becoming socialist.