With time running out, Trump to go on offensive at debate in bid to catch Biden

[candide]

4 hours ago, pegman said:

Trump was very low energy. . Stick a fork in him, he's done.

The usual comedown effect after taking drugs.

(I mean the drugs he took because of covid-19)

Edited October 23, 2020 by candide

[rumak]

45 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

 

Dark times, indeed. People, with a few notable exceptions like yourself of course, are mindless drones and soon macho men will be played by women!

Now, if they even outlaw hyperbole you'll be in real trouble...

 

Thank you...... i think   haha.    If you do indeed understand where i am coming from then i take comfort that someone gets my "exaggerations" .   

I am pretty sure that many here just wonder what the hell i'm smoking.   As my good friend Bobby D. likes to say "its alright ma i'm only bleeding"

     And if my thought-dreams could be seen
They'd probably put my head in a guillotine
But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only

[AndyFoxy]

President Trump made Joe look like the fool he is.

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5 hours ago, sucit said:

If you can't just look at Trump and Biden on tv and tell which one is healthier and more coherent, you have much bigger problems than being dead wrong in a public forum. 

It's an anonymous poster against 7 gerontologists. Hmmm...

[Morch]

6 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

I just hope both candidates had a drug test and got checked for wires, earpieces, contacts, etc.  Make it fair.

 

While these are all good and well, let us not forget about the test with the elephant picture. Must have that.

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19 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

President Trump made Joe look like the fool he is.

Not even Fox News' media commentator agrees with you on that one.

An improved Trump, a tighter Biden land punches in a better debate

https://www.foxnews.com/media/an-improved-trump-a-tighter-biden-land-punches-in-a-better-debate

[Berkshire]

32 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

President Trump made Joe look like the fool he is.

When Joe Biden becomes President and Trump is marched to prison, we will all see who the fool is.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 You understand the defund the police "lite" version. What the powerful and influential squad and sympathizers mean was more literal. Just try getting a straight answer out of any democrat party member. They don't even have the spine to confirm if they would trash the legitimacy of the supreme court if Biden wins.

 

"Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police

Because reform won’t happen."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html

 

"Democratic Minnesota Representative Ilhan Omar said Sunday that the Minneapolis Police Department is “rotten to the root,” making any attempt to reform it futile, and called for the city’s police force to be dismantled."

https://news.yahoo.com/ilhan-omar-minneapolis-police-department-122917324.html

 

"... the powerful and influential squad and sympathizers..."

 

I think they wish they were half as powerful as some Trump supporters make them to be.

 

[canuckamuck]

Christmas is coming early this year. I plan to spend Nov 4th replaying videos of progressives with multi colored hair, melting down and screaming at cameras. ho ho ho!

 

[polpott]

7 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Christmas is coming early this year. I plan to spend Nov 4th replaying videos of progressives with multi colored hair, melting down and screaming at cameras. ho ho ho!

 

Its much more likely that you'll be replaying videos of Trump being marched out of the White House wearing a straight jacket and surrounded by men in white coats.

 

Careful with your wild fantasies or you might find yourself going the same way.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Christmas is coming early this year. I plan to spend Nov 4th replaying videos of progressives with multi colored hair, melting down and screaming at cameras. ho ho ho!

 

I look forward to joining you.

 

Don’t go wandering off will you.

[Lacessit]

19 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Christmas is coming early this year. I plan to spend Nov 4th replaying videos of progressives with multi colored hair, melting down and screaming at cameras. ho ho ho!

 

Orange hair, orange complexion, melting down and screaming at people. Deja vu.

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My favorite part of the debate was how Trump responded to criticism of his policy of forcibly separating children from their parents and how 545 of those children still haven't been reconnected to their parents.

“They are so well taken care of,” Trump said of the children, some as young as 4 months old, whom his Customs and Border Protection agents ripped from their mothers and fathers before deporting the parents. “They’re in facilities that were so clean.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/family-separation-trump-debate.html

What makes it even better is that his administration argued in court that they weren't responsible for providing the children dry clothing, toothbrushes, soap, towels, or sleep.

[AndyFoxy]

57 minutes ago, placeholder said:

My favorite part of the debate was how Trump responded to criticism of his policy of forcibly separating children from their parents and how 545 of those children still haven't been reconnected to their parents.

“They are so well taken care of,” Trump said of the children, some as young as 4 months old, whom his Customs and Border Protection agents ripped from their mothers and fathers before deporting the parents. “They’re in facilities that were so clean.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/family-separation-trump-debate.html

What makes it even better is that his administration argued in court that they weren't responsible for providing the children dry clothing, toothbrushes, soap, towels, or sleep.

Who built the cages?

[AndyFoxy]

4 hours ago, Berkshire said:

When Joe Biden becomes President and Trump is marched to prison, we will all see who the fool is.

Marched to  prison....for what? 

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Marched to  prison....for what? 

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-trump-faces-lawsuits-and-legal-threats/

 

 

 

President Trump has more at stake in this election than whether he remains in the White House. Holding the highest office in the land grants him effective immunity from federal criminal prosecution and gives him wide powers to stymie lawsuits against him and his business. That all changes once he becomes an ordinary citizen again.

Edited October 23, 2020 by Jingthing

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44 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Marched to  prison....for what? 

Well, he is being investigated by NY State for fraud:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-new-york-lawsuit-idUSKBN25K1XG

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47 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Who built the cages?

Who purposely created a policy of separating  thousands and thousands of children - even infants and toddlers - from their parents? 545 of those children still are separated.

[bendejo]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-trump-faces-lawsuits-and-legal-threats/

 

President Trump has more at stake in this election than whether he remains in the White House. Holding the highest office in the land grants him effective immunity from federal criminal prosecution and gives him wide powers to stymie lawsuits against him and his business. That all changes once he becomes an ordinary citizen again.

... and the US has a real Attorney General again.  The road from the WH may lead to Allenwood.

The best that could happen to him is it gets decided that making him a convicted felon would be too much of a detriment to the presidency, which is why they didn't throw the book at Nixon.

 

On the other hand the relationship with Russia may qualify as treason, and DT gets to replace Benedict Arnold in US culture.  Congrats, Donnie.

 

 

[bendejo]

3 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Who built the cages?

This is like a Nazi war criminal asking "and who built those boxcars?"

 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, rumak said:

 

I can't believe how many people actually believe the farce we call "voting"  is anymore than a contest to see which group ( which has absolutely no concern about the suckers   so called electorate) will have the most access to the big corporate pie.

I really don't know who to feel embarrassed for more :  the suit and tie lawyer/criminals  or the masses that march like robots to cast a meaningless vote.

 

have to admit though:  when i look at these 2 old guys I am really beyond amazed that these are

 what is being offered up as "choices".    man,  funnier than a skit on Saturday Night  (almost) Alive

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad that two old men with lots of baggage are the best the US can come up with to be president. It wouldn't matter if the position was ceremonial as with Ireland, but the US president has, IMO, too much power. Would be better if more power rested with the individual states, and less with the federal government, IMO.

[Credo]

33 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad that two old men with lots of baggage are the best the US can come up with to be president. It wouldn't matter if the position was ceremonial as with Ireland, but the US president has, IMO, too much power. Would be better if more power rested with the individual states, and less with the federal government, IMO.

Or perhaps elect someone who doesn't abuse power.

[Sujo]

5 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Who built the cages?

Probably some mexicans.

[simple1]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Who purposely created a policy of separating  thousands and thousands of children - even infants and toddlers - from their parents? 545 of those children still are separated.

 

Something I don't understand. If one's children were forcibly separated from you by the US government, why would the parent/s be unable to advise the detail of their children to enable reunification? There would be NGOs and presumably Mexican government to assist the parents with formalities.

 

if Scott reads this post, can you provide a heads up?

[Scott]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

Something I don't understand. If one's children were forcibly separated from you by the US government, why would the parent/s be unable to advise the detail of their children to enable reunification? There would be NGOs and presumably Mexican government to assist the parents with formalities.

 

if Scott reads this post, can you provide a heads up?

I suspect that there are a number of reasons.  I read about one mother who was released from detention and had spent months trying to find her child.   She had been moved to a detention facility in the northern US and her child was moved from a southern detention facility, but no one could locate where.   I have no idea if she ever found her child, but she was persistent.

 

In at least one other case, the parent was deported and killed by gangs after deportation.   So, there is no one to easily repatriate the child to.

 

For the vast majority, it's a matter of bureaucracy.  The federal government does not handle child welfare cases, it is a state function.   The state has many systems in place to keep track of parents and children when they have been removed, such as in foster care, residential treatment, etc..   The federal gov't doesn't.   Add to that the fact that many people did not arrive with documentation and someone giving the wrong spelling of the name, using their nic name and giving the wrong birth date and it adds up to one huge confusing mess.   Then hold the child in a detention facility and eventually move them to a hotel for temporary housing (that was used as a solution for a time) and then into a new longer term detention facility and move the parent(s) from one facility to another and pretty quickly nobody knows where anybody is.  A parent doesn't know where there children are, the children don't know where the parents are.   Then deport the parents and try to find out where they are.  It becomes a rather onerous task.

 

Also, there are a few parents who are not going to cooperate.   If they have been deported, they may very well have accomplished their goal of getting their child to a safe country.  

[simple1]

19 minutes ago, Scott said:

Also, there are a few parents who are not going to cooperate.   If they have been deported, they may very well have accomplished their goal of getting their child to a safe country.  

 

Am I correct / incorrect that at this point in time there is not enacted legislation to permit the children to be fostered / join the community at legal age of maturity?

[Scott]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Am I correct / incorrect that at this point in time there is not enacted legislation to permit the children to be fostered / join the community at legal age of maturity?

Nobody seems to have good information on what has happened to the children.  I know special facilities were built to house them.  The gov't says they have been released to relatives or guardians, but it's hard to know without access to information.  

 

Under the Trump administration, I highly doubt they would be given legal status that would allow them to pursue normal activities, such as school, jobs, etc.   Legal residence of a child follows that of the parents, at least to the point of separation, but that follows state laws and regulations, not federal law.

This might be a little helpful:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/21/family-separation-parents-border-covid/

 

[LomSak27]

 

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Rumak said

I can't believe how many people actually believe the farce we call "voting"  is anymore than a contest to see which group ( which has absolutely no concern about the suckers   so called electorate) will have the most access to the big corporate pie.

I really don't know who to feel embarrassed for more :  the suit and tie lawyer/criminals  or the masses that march like robots to cast a meaningless vote.

 

have to admit though:  when i look at these 2 old guys I am really beyond amazed that these are

 what is being offered up as "choices".    man,  funnier than a skit on Saturday Night  (almost) Alive

 

 

 

 

People and especially Foreigners love to yammer about this. Nostalgia time; I recall reading an op ed piece in the Bangkok Post, yes back when we read newspapers. It made the same argument. The rich and powerful would rule Amerika anyway, it was all a façade who was president. The year was 2004, Jr Bush vs Kerry.
 

What was so annoying back then and so numbingly obvious. Staring BP journos and all bar stool prophets & prognosticators  in the face, Jr Bush is romping in Iraq after WMD. If Al Gore is elected in 2000, (and he might have been BTW), there would have been be no Iraq adventure. That would never have happened.
 

Trump has appointed a slew of federal judges besides two Supreme Court justices, that will affect laws for decades after he has gone. He has also gutted as many laws, and agencies, as he could get away with. The list is ugly, and long. This is of course the real reason the Republican hierarchy really tolerated and supported him. The gutting of decades’ worth of legislation, environmental laws, tax regs, education, & on & on.
 

The fact that people do not know much about it is not surprising. People like the Koch brothers, Wall Street, Big Pharma, etc. count on that fact.

Edited October 24, 2020 by LomSak27

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad that two old men with lots of baggage are the best the US can come up with to be president. It wouldn't matter if the position was ceremonial as with Ireland, but the US president has, IMO, too much power. Would be better if more power rested with the individual states, and less with the federal government, IMO.

I’ll remind you of that the next time you whine about Congress, the courts and/or the press holding the President to account.

[Silurian]

12 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Who built the cages?

 

Funny, now they are called cages. Donald and company would never refer to them as cages before. Why the sudden change now? Just to make it an attack line?

 

Yes, they were built during the Obama presidency to handle the influx of immigrants coming into the US (when times were good in the US and people actually wanted to come to the USA). They were meant as a temporary holding area while people were processed into the USA. These temporary holding areas/cages were only meant to be used for a few hours to a few days while immigration would process these individuals. They were never meant to house people for weeks or months at a time as during Donald's administration.

 

Donald and company used these holding areas/cages to prevent/deter immigration. Quite the opposite of the intended function.