UK sees goodwill for Brexit trade deal, open to 'sensible' fishing compromise

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Really, sounds like you are disappointed about something today, move on chap.....

Yes I am disappointed that your post lack substance facts and stuff like that. All you can do is put some strange remarks somewhere and think its funny. I far more respect posters like Vinny41 and other posters that bring facts into the discussion. Shows a level of intelligence. Its you that should move on or post something that has actual substance.

 

If this was the car topic your input would be valued because there you have some actual knowledge.

[vinny41]

35 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1358008/Brexit-news-fishing-latest-Michel-Barnier-trade-deal-talks-update-vn

 

I'll just leave this here ????

If you look at Ben Habib twitter feed  he believes that Donald Trump won the election

[robblok]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

If you look at Ben Habib twitter feed  he believes that Donald Trump won the election

Seems like a levelheaded kind of person ???? 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Us Scots seem to think Johnson is a bit of an amadan ????

Oh, a bit like Blair and Brown you mean...????

 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes I am disappointed that your post lack substance facts and stuff like that. All you can do is put some strange remarks somewhere and think its funny. I far more respect posters like Vinny41 and other posters that bring facts into the discussion. Shows a level of intelligence. Its you that should move on or post something that has actual substance.

 

If this was the car topic your input would be valued because there you have some actual knowledge.

Really, well I would expect you to say that, as I have to regularly question your posts. Sorry about that..????

[Henryford]

That's a euphemism for Boris selling us out, again.

[evadgib]

Seen yesterday from HMG

UK and Greenland strengthen cooperation on fisheries

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Memorandum of Understanding follows recent agreements with Norway and the Faroe Islands

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[JonnyF]

31 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Us Scots seem to think Johnson is a bit of an amadan ????

 

Us English think Sturgeon should have stuck to her 70's cabaret act and 80's TV show. That was Fan Dabi Dozi ????.

 

Seriously though, when your first minister is Nicola Sturgeon it might be best not to cast aspersions on others .

 

 

[robblok]

34 minutes ago, transam said:

Really, well I would expect you to say that, as I have to regularly question your posts. Sorry about that..????

Its not about questioning my posts its about you not putting any facts or real stuff in your replies a few smiles and remarks that have nothing to do with the topic. There is just no substance in your post. 

 

If you question my posts like JonnyF or Vinny41 and put some real arguments there then its all fine. But you don't even bother to do that.

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3 hours ago, wombat said:

With the rest of the world waiting to deal with UK and budgie smuggler Abbot there to hold UK hand while he explains how Oz has survived a no deal arrangement with EU and prospered......she'll be right mate 

7.8% of Australia's exports go to EU. 45.2% of the UK's exports go to the EU. See any significant difference there?

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

A massive over simplification. If it makes financial sense to do a trade deal with the UK they will. Biden's misty nostalgia about his supposed Irish roots will not fundamentally change US foreign policy.

 

The EU and the US have their own, long running problems.

 

Nancy Pelosi has already put the kibosh on a trade deal. There's a strong Irish lobby in the Democratic party.  I can't imagine the democrats are so eager to secure a trade deal given how the British have stomped all over the Good Friday agreement which was brokered by the Clinton administration.

And, ostensibly at least, Trump supporters are anti free trade.

It's clear you don't know much about American politics.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Nancy Pelosi has already put the kibosh on a trade deal. There's a strong Irish lobby in the Democratic party.  I can't imagine the democrats are so eager to secure a trade deal given how the British have stomped all over the Good Friday agreement which was brokered by the Clinton administration.

And, ostensibly at least, Trump supporters are anti free trade.

It's clear you don't know much about American politics.

It will be interesting to observe the order in which national leaders are invited to the WH in January.

 

 

[transam]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Its not about questioning my posts its about you not putting any facts or real stuff in your replies a few smiles and remarks that have nothing to do with the topic. There is just no substance in your post. 

 

If you question my posts like JonnyF or Vinny41 and put some real arguments there then its all fine. But you don't even bother to do that.

And you do....????....

Don't make me laugh, all you do is run down the Brits at every opportunity. ....????

[JonnyF]

40 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Nancy Pelosi has already put the kibosh on a trade deal. There's a strong Irish lobby in the Democratic party.  I can't imagine the democrats are so eager to secure a trade deal given how the British have stomped all over the Good Friday agreement which was brokered by the Clinton administration.

And, ostensibly at least, Trump supporters are anti free trade.

It's clear you don't know much about American politics.

Pelosi opposed a deal prior to the election, back in September. Trump wasn't about to give us a brilliant deal either, in fact Remainers were rubbishing that US deal until last week (chlorinated chicken, selling the NHS etc.) and now they are claiming we've lost something of massive value. So the notion that everything has suddenly changed because Joe Biden made it to the White House is clearly false. It's an oversimplification by Remainers to try and claim that the rug has been pulled out from under us when it hasn't.

 

I agree that American interference in foreign matters will increase under Biden. The left can't help themselves unfortunately. It's not all bad though, we have to thank Obama for his ill advised 'back of the queue' comments that helped to secure the Leave victory in 2016. Thanks Barack. Biden and Pelosi's comments will only strengthen Brexiteer resolve further.

 

The British haven't stomped all over the GFA. It is the EU trying to use the Irish as a pawn in their chess match. Any notion that they are 'protecting' the Irish is false. They only care about the single market, not Ireland. 

 

Ireland is a pawn that will be sacrificed by the EU if necessary.

 

 

 

 

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Pelosi opposed a deal prior to the election, back in September. Trump wasn't about to give us a brilliant deal either, in fact Remainers were rubbishing that US deal until last week (chlorinated chicken, selling the NHS etc.) and now they are claiming we've lost something of massive value. So the notion that everything has suddenly changed because Joe Biden made it to the White House is clearly false. It's an oversimplification by Remainers to try and claim that the rug has been pulled out from under us when it hasn't.

 

I agree that American interference in foreign matters will increase under Biden. The left can't help themselves unfortunately. It's not all bad though, we have to thank Obama for his ill advised 'back of the queue' comments that helped to secure the Leave victory in 2016. Thanks Barack. Biden and Pelosi's comments will only strengthen Brexiteer resolve further.

 

The British haven't stomped all over the GFA. It is the EU trying to use the Irish as a pawn in their chess match. Any notion that they are 'protecting' the Irish is false. They only care about the single market, not Ireland. 

 

Ireland is a pawn that will be sacrificed by the EU if necessary.

 

 

 

 

It's funny. As I recall, the Brexiters were touting the benefits of a free trade agreement with the usa as going a long way to making up for whatever loses losing free trade with the EU would inflict.

As for not stepping all over the GFA? Not exactly an honest appraisal. And instead of a fact based rebuttal, you offer a prediction instead. Not real convincing.

 

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Us English think Sturgeon should have stuck to her 70's cabaret act and 80's TV show. That was Fan Dabi Dozi ????.

 

Seriously though, when your first minister is Nicola Sturgeon it might be best not to cast aspersions on others .

 

 

Does it matter what you English think of Nicola Sturgeon given she is Scotlands First Minister?

What does matter is the opinion of the Scots.

 

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/yougov-polling-on-scottish-independence-89338

 

Polling by YouGov, carried out for the Times, found that Sturgeon was on +50 points as her approval rating continues to soar following her handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

Johnson has dropped to -50 points after mismanaging the crisis, leaving 100 points difference between the two leaders.

[JonnyF]

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's funny. As I recall, the Brexiters were touting the benefits of a free trade agreement with the usa as going a long way to making up for whatever loses losing free trade with the EU would inflict.

As for not stepping all over the GFA? Not exactly an honest appraisal. And instead of a fact based rebuttal, you offer a prediction instead. Not real convincing.

 

 

The benefits of an FTA really depend on the terms, and none of us know what they would/will be. I'm just pointing out how Remainers were rubbishing it when it looked like it was on the horizon, and now they think it's less likely they're saying what a huge loss it is. Classic Remainer doublespeak. 

 

How are we stepping all over the GFA? It's your claim. So how are we doing it?

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Does it matter what you English think of Nicola Sturgeon given she is Scotlands First Minister?

What does matter is the opinion of the Scots.

 

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/yougov-polling-on-scottish-independence-89338

 

Polling by YouGov, carried out for the Times, found that Sturgeon was on +50 points as her approval rating continues to soar following her handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

Johnson has dropped to -50 points after mismanaging the crisis, leaving 100 points difference between the two leaders.

 

Mid term opinion polls aren't really that important. What's important are general elections and referendums. Like the IndyRef in 2014, the Brexit vote in 2016 and the GE in 2019. 

 

How did they go for you? ????

[Laughing Gravy]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Yes I am disappointed that your post lack substance facts and stuff like that. All you can do is put some strange remarks somewhere and think its funny. I far more respect posters like Vinny41 and other posters that bring facts into the discussion.

The thing is all of these facts have been done to death over the last 5 years were many of us haven't just jumped on the bandwagon as now Brexit experts. Go back and read the threads you will learn something.

 

For most of us its all very tedious as it is the old remainers and now the new European posters who know what is best for the UK. As for substance and facts there are thousands of them in them threads.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

The benefits of an FTA really depend on the terms, and none of us know what they would/will be. I'm just pointing out how Remainers were rubbishing it when it looked like it was on the horizon, and now they think it's less likely they're saying what a huge loss it is. Classic Remainer doublespeak. 

 

How are we stepping all over the GFA? It's your claim. So how are we doing it?

When were remainers rubbishing the idea of a FTA?

It was you brexiteers who were claiming that the UK does not need one and we will be just great with WTO terms.

No deal. Clean break. Australian type deal. You were championing the lot.

Now glorious leader Johnson is starting to capitulate suddenly you all think its a great thing.

If you are going to try and rewrite history you need to wait till everyone who was there at the time is dead.

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Mid term opinion polls aren't really that important. What's important are general elections and referendums. Like the IndyRef in 2014, the Brexit vote in 2016 and the GE in 2019. 

 

How did they go for you? ????

Like I said. The opinion of Brexiteers is asinine to Scotland.

Its not about what happened the last time. What matters is what happens next time.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

When were remainers rubbishing the idea of a FTA?

It was you brexiteers who were claiming that the UK does not need one and we will be just great with WTO terms.

No deal. Clean break. Australian type deal. You were championing the lot.

Now glorious leader Johnson is starting to capitulate suddenly you all think its a great thing.

If you are going to try and rewrite history you need to wait till everyone who was there at the time is dead.

 

Your memory failing again? Forgotten the claims about chlorinated chicken and having to sell the NHS?

 

I've told you my preference for a GOOD FTA as recently as today. I told you to bookmark that post in case you forgot. Did you forget to bookmark it?

[transam]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

When were remainers rubbishing the idea of a FTA?

It was you brexiteers who were claiming that the UK does not need one and we will be just great with WTO terms.

No deal. Clean break. Australian type deal. You were championing the lot.

Now glorious leader Johnson is starting to capitulate suddenly you all think its a great thing.

If you are going to try and rewrite history you need to wait till everyone who was there at the time is dead.

May I remind you yet again, your country has left the EU, negotiations are ongoing for the best outcome for your country. Relax...

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Its not about what happened the last time. What matters is what happens next time.

 

That's what the losers say ????.

 

You're only as good as your last game. There won't be a second referendum on Brexit. On Scots independence, maybe in 2034 if we allow it? 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Your memory failing again? Forgotten the claims about chlorinated chicken and having to sell the NHS?

 

I've told you my preference for a GOOD FTA as recently as today. I told you to bookmark that post in case you forgot. Did you forget to bookmark it?

As recently as today ROFL.

Its only since today you have been championing a deal.

 

"Walk away Boris. You can’t negotiate with people who are trying to punish you. Time for a clean break and take back that which is ours.

 

No Deal please".

 

Not my words. Yours. Posted on Sunday on here.

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1191140-significant-differences-still-remain-in-eu-uk-trade-talks/

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

That's what the losers say ????.

 

You're only as good as your last game. There won't be a second referendum on Brexit. On Scots independence, maybe in 2034 if we allow it? 

Currently going through the courts to see if a section 30 is even needed.

The last 12 polls have shown a majority for independence.

So your only viable way to stop Scotland leaving is to prevent a referendum.  Brexiteers and democracy eh?

[robblok]

18 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The thing is all of these facts have been done to death over the last 5 years were many of us haven't just jumped on the bandwagon as now Brexit experts. Go back and read the threads you will learn something.

 

For most of us its all very tedious as it is the old remainers and now the new European posters who know what is best for the UK. As for substance and facts there are thousands of them in them threads.

We are now specifically talking about the UK giving in while the Brexiteers said it would not happen. Totally different topic. Trans did not post on topic or any substance.

 

Anyway the UK seems to be seeing the light and understands they have to move or lose a lot. I hope a deal is reached I could care less about fishing. The internal market issues are far more important.

[JonnyF]

22 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

As recently as today ROFL.

Its only since today you have been championing a deal.

 

"Walk away Boris. You can’t negotiate with people who are trying to punish you. Time for a clean break and take back that which is ours.

 

No Deal please".

 

Not my words. Yours. Posted on Sunday on here.

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1191140-significant-differences-still-remain-in-eu-uk-trade-talks/

Lord give me strength ????.

 

Yes, if the EU don't drop their demands for level playing field and ECJ jurisdiction we should walk away. If they drop those demands I am happy for an FTA.

 

Last time, my preference in order of 1-3 with 1 being most preferable (there is a post identical to this in my posting history but I can't keep searching for it every time your dementia resurfaces).

 

1. FTA with no level playing field, no ECJ etc.

2. No Deal.

3. FTA with limited EU control.

 

Please, please I beg you take a copy of this post. I can't keep reminding some senile old man every 5 minutes they dream up a new Straw Man ????. It's like being a carer in an OAP ward. I need a break ????.

[transam]

40 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Currently going through the courts to see if a section 30 is even needed.

The last 12 polls have shown a majority for independence.

So your only viable way to stop Scotland leaving is to prevent a referendum.  Brexiteers and democracy eh?

Once voters get in that election booth, look over their shoulder, then tick their real thoughts box, you will find out the real truth after the ballot box count...????

[Susco]

48 minutes ago, robblok said:

We are now specifically talking about the UK giving in while the Brexiteers said it would not happen. Totally different topic. Trans did not post on topic or any substance.

 

Anyway the UK seems to be seeing the light and understands they have to move or lose a lot. I hope a deal is reached I could care less about fishing. The internal market issues are far more important.

 

 

In other threads I see previous hardcore Trump fanboys now being either very quiet, and quite a few now saying they actually disliked Trump.

 

I think it will take another 4 days before a similar thing will happen in the Brexit threads, and i have a few names in mind already