UK PM Johnson's Brexit 'brain' Cummings to leave Downing Street

[polpott]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 You picked two extremes there .

How about a City & Guilds in Carpentry ?

The traditional apprenticeships are dead. The Tory party won't fund them and young people won't join them.

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

The traditional apprenticeships are dead. The Tory party won't fund them and young people won't join them.

 

  No need to when theres an endless flow of Europeans arriving with the saws and hard hat .

  Once that stops, they will have to train youngsters to do the work

[polpott]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 

  No need to when theres an endless flow of Europeans arriving with the saws and hard hat .

  Once that stops, they will have to train youngsters to do the work

Not if the youngsters don't want to.

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Not if the youngsters don't want to.

 

  What makes you think UK youngsters wouldnt want to learn a trade ?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

It would have made a big difference iff Boris and his fellow rebels had voted for May's deal. Was Boris a remainer or a Brexiteer. Always depends on which way the wind blows with that 2 faced hypocrite.

The only consistency is ‘it’s always somebody else’s fault’.

[Mavideol]

Dominic's gone all bets are off.... back to starting blocks and as Trump is no longer there to support BJ, the all deal is cancelled and in order to safeguard the NI peace agreement and the potential of US/Biden deal, BJ has to bend over and work backwards   555.... (great imagination though)

[CorpusChristie]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

And your point is?

 

   Not all Conservatives are leavers and not all Labour are remainers , it wasnt a case of Labour =Remain and Conservative = leave .

   Conservatives took us out the E.U because thats what we wanted and thats what they are there for .

[polpott]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Not all Conservatives are leavers and not all Labour are remainers , it wasnt a case of Labour =Remain and Conservative = leave .

   Conservatives took us out the E.U because thats what we wanted and thats what they are there for .

52% wanted it and 48% didn't. So less of the "we" please.

[hotandsticky]

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

52% wanted it and 48% didn't. So less of the "we" please.

 

 

Clearly you don't understand the term "majority"..... and "win"

 

 

That is democracy for you...... it means the 48% have to suck it up. Many have - graciously in some cases.

[polpott]

24 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Clearly you don't understand the term "majority"..... and "win"

 

 

That is democracy for you...... it means the 48% have to suck it up. Many have - graciously in some cases.

No, all it means is that 48% didn't agree with leaving. Says nothing about sucking it up.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

No, all it means is that 48% didn't agree with leaving. Says nothing about sucking it up.

Why try to make a point when there isn't one to make, you knew the rules +1, as it turned out it was + 1,300,000. That's how voting works.

[polpott]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Why try to make a point when there isn't one to make, you knew the rules +1, as it turned out it was + 1,300,000. That's how voting works.

Voting to leave the EU. We've left. I don't remember that there was a compulsion to be happy about it.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Voting to leave the EU. We've left. I don't remember that there was a compulsion to be happy about it.

You wouldn't be happy if Man United lost 3 - 2 at Old Trafford, but would you expect to get 2 points and the other team to get 3, of course you wouldn't, the winning team gets all the 3 points and you get nothing, but you don't go on about it for 5 years...........or do you?????

[dunroaming]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 You picked two extremes there .

How about a City & Guilds in Carpentry ?

But the immigrant workers that come into the UK are rarely here as carpenters, there are here doing the low paid menial jobs that the British don't want to do.  In the 1950's, Britain had massive recruitment campaigns to bring people in from India and the Caribbean to do the jobs that the British didn't want to do.  The difference now is that most people are coming in from Eastern Europe but the principle is the same.

 

Using an immigrant workforce in Britain is normal and actually essential.  As for training British kids to do those menial jobs.... Not sure you can do a City and Guilds in parcel delivery or being a hospital cleaner. 

 

But I will concede one point to you.  My sister has just had an extension built and she used a team of Polish builders to do the work, after some encouragement from me. The quote was 40% cheaper than the nearest quote from the other British owned builders, even though they used mainly workers from Eastern Europe, including the carpenters!

[david555]

8 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Rats fighting in a sack.

So who is running the country now?

Johnsons girlfriend?

After Boris bunch ..it might become even better if she runs #10 .....????????????

[Baerboxer]

8 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Rats fighting in a sack.

So who is running the country now?

Johnsons girlfriend?

 

"The Westminster political bubble was awash with speculation that Johnson's fiancee Carrie Symonds aligned with Johnson's new press secretary Allegra Stratton to oust Cain - to the displeasure of Cummings, who then threatened to resign."

 

Any evidence to support Reuters imagination?

[RuamRudy]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

You can either love or loathe Cummings, but one thing is for sure that he is a winner and as we all know that losers hate winners. Without Cummings the democratic vote to leave the EU might never have happened, so in affect the man is worth his salt just by that one action alone, we won't even mention giving the Tories an 80 majority in parliament, it's just too embarrassing for the remainers.

And since you have brought Trump into the discussion, it has been said that like the remainers neither believe in honouring a democratic vote.

 

Are you still a winner if you have to rely on cheating and subterfuge to get there? And is a majority even credible when the vast majority of the electorate rejects what you stand for?

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

No, all it means is that 48% didn't agree with leaving. Says nothing about sucking it up.

 

Similar to other rather bitter, close result elections of the last view years.

 

Unfortunately, the days of people in Western democracies accepting results they don't like graciously seem long gone. Sadly, so does the idea that those elected have to represent all the electorate and not just those who voted for them.

 

The referendum was advisory. The decision to carry it out was the politicians of Westminster. 

[CorpusChristie]

16 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

But the immigrant workers that come into the UK are rarely here as carpenters, there are here doing the low paid menial jobs that the British don't want to do.  In the 1950's, Britain had massive recruitment campaigns to bring people in from India and the Caribbean to do the jobs that the British didn't want to do.  The difference now is that most people are coming in from Eastern Europe but the principle is the same.

 

Using an immigrant workforce in Britain is normal and actually essential.  As for training British kids to do those menial jobs.... Not sure you can do a City and Guilds in parcel delivery or being a hospital cleaner. 

 

But I will concede one point to you.  My sister has just had an extension built and she used a team of Polish builders to do the work, after some encouragement from me. The quote was 40% cheaper than the nearest quote from the other British owned builders, even though they used mainly workers from Eastern Europe, including the carpenters!

 

   The last paragraph contradicts the first sentance 

[Lormak]

Make no mistake, Dominic's departure from Downing St is a huge loss for Great Britain. The man is an intellectual giant.  Dominic almost singlehandedly delivered the Leave vote, won an election by a landslide and then defeated an attempted Remainer coup. Generations to come will thank him for winning back our freedom after over 40 years of subjugation under the EU jackboot.

I've no doubt he'll be knighted and be given a seat in the Lords.

[dunroaming]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   The last paragraph contradicts the first sentance 

That is why I said that I conceded the point!  Not hard to follow.   There is a shortage of skilled workers in the building trade in this country  and that gap has been filled by very good (mainly Polish) builders from Europe.

 

My son has just started college to do his A levels so we have spent the last few months looking at his options.  One was, after his GCSE results, to go far an apprenticeship.  He rejected everything that resembled manual work, only considering I.T. or Media careers.  That seems to be the norm these days.  Out of his whole year group, only one boy went for an apprenticeship as a plumber and that was because he did so badly in his exams.

 

It's a very different world now to the one I grew up in, but then again, it now belongs to a new generation.

[chilly07]

Hurray! Unfortunately a headless chicken can survive for a very long time till anybody notices!

[RuamRudy]

19 minutes ago, Lormak said:

Make no mistake, Dominic's departure from Downing St is a huge loss for Great Britain. The man is an intellectual giant.  Dominic almost singlehandedly delivered the Leave vote, won an election by a landslide and then defeated an attempted Remainer coup. Generations to come will thank him for winning back our freedom after over 40 years of subjugation under the EU jackboot.

I've no doubt he'll be knighted and be given a seat in the Lords.

 

Winning an election by a landslide when the game is fundamentally rigged is no mark of a modern democratic expression of will. 

[Rookiescot]

35 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

"The Westminster political bubble was awash with speculation that Johnson's fiancee Carrie Symonds aligned with Johnson's new press secretary Allegra Stratton to oust Cain - to the displeasure of Cummings, who then threatened to resign."

 

Any evidence to support Reuters imagination?

 

Yes.

The evidence that Cummings and his sidekick King are gone.

What further evidence do you need?

[vogie]

30 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Are you still a winner if you have to rely on cheating and subterfuge to get there? And is a majority even credible when the vast majority of the electorate rejects what you stand for?

What is this cheating and subterfuge, is it anything to do with being a poor loser.

[dunroaming]

It will be interesting to see who Johnson chooses to replace Cummings.  Without somebody focused he will just flail around and disappear in a spin of bluster and confusion!

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Winning an election by a landslide when the game is fundamentally rigged is no mark of a modern democratic expression of will. 

"Rigged" my giddy aunt.

[RuamRudy]

2 hours ago, polpott said:

52% wanted it and 48% didn't. So less of the "we" please.

 

In fact, 37% wanted it. So much destruction, so much loss - to appease 37% of of the electorate who still cannot define what they think they have achieved. 

[Rookiescot]

26 minutes ago, Lormak said:

Make no mistake, Dominic's departure from Downing St is a huge loss for Great Britain. The man is an intellectual giant.  Dominic almost singlehandedly delivered the Leave vote, won an election by a landslide and then defeated an attempted Remainer coup. Generations to come will thank him for winning back our freedom after over 40 years of subjugation under the EU jackboot.

I've no doubt he'll be knighted and be given a seat in the Lords.

A parody account surely? 

[RuamRudy]

Just now, vogie said:

"Rigged" my giddy aunt.

 

The vast majority of the electorate is not represented by this government. They have an 80 seat majority whilst receiving fewer than half the votes. They are able to deliver an agenda that suits a minority while the majority have to accept it. Do you think that this is a healthy way to run a country?