1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

sorry, no deep state conspiracy, just reality.

 

you expect a country that can't manage to build simple sewer drains to effectively handle ultra-cold vaccines?

 

reminds me of that terrorist who planned to get a bucket of uranium and spin it around on a rope, really really really fast, in order to separate isotopes.

 

They can't even prevent the frozen food in the supermarkets to spoil

2 hours ago, KannikaP said:

A Lada or a Roller?

If they did not have such high import taxes then cars would be a hell of a lot cheaper than they are.  You can buy a Porsche Cayenne for 3 million Baht in the States and yet here they are between 9 and 12 Mbht.  Same with the Mercs, the BMW's and all others.

 

A nice size medical refrigerator can be found at Police General Hospital where they freeze the cadavers while awaiting them being claimed I would think.

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

If they did not have such high import taxes then cars would be a hell of a lot cheaper than they are.  You can buy a Porsche Cayenne for 3 million Baht in the States and yet here they are between 9 and 12 Mbht.  Same with the Mercs, the BMW's and all others.

 

A nice size medical refrigerator can be found at Police General Hospital where they freeze the cadavers while awaiting them being claimed I would think.

My comment was meant to be a joke, not requiring a sensible answer with something we all know anyway.

 

Would the aforementioned medical refrigerator go down to -80 degrees. Let's face it, fish fingers only need -18 !   LOL

3 hours ago, gillap said:

How is it they suddenly have a vaccine for covid-19...a VIRUS apparently with many strains ...and they don't have a vaccine for AIDS yet! Makes one wonder...right? I will NOT be getting this vaccine if I have a choice...!

There is no grand conspiracy behind the reason for this. HIV is a very particular virus since it targets the very cells that are supposed to protect us from viral infections. There are plenty of sources on the internet explaining why it is so difficult to find a vaccin for HIV. On top of that there might be a difference in funding as HIV is not a global pandemic that forces us to wear rubbers wherever we go in public. Being (one of the first) companies to find a succesful COVID-19 vaccin will be probably like winning the jackpot. 

 

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/why-were-still-waiting-on-a-vaccine-for-hiv-and-other-deadly-viruses

Dr Yong should be reported to the false news bureau... The vaccine will not be ready next month. It has been well reported in the West that Pfizer have jumped the gun with their premature announcement... 

19 minutes ago, Forza2002 said:

Dr Yong should be reported to the false news bureau... The vaccine will not be ready next month. It has been well reported in the West that Pfizer have jumped the gun with their premature announcement... 

 

Some insider probably had some shares to sell

3 hours ago, Susco said:

 

You mean Dr Fauci is an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about, when he says that the cold storage would have challenges even in the developed world, and you know it better?

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cold-storage-challenges-could-hamper-164654773.html

 

Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, on Wednesday said it would be challenging to distribute vaccines that use messenger RNA based technology in developing countries, owing to their cold storage requirements.

 

In a country like the UK and the United States we can address them and it still would be challenging. But, probably much more challenging in countries in the developing world," Fauci said at the Financial Times' global pharmaceutical and biotechnology conference.

It was the same answer Galileo got in the renaissance, when he told the church that our Earth is not the center of the universe. The bishops knew better ???? 

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

Some insider probably had some shares to sell

 

insider?  sell shares of the company that winned the lottery?  not a chan.....

Pfizer's CEO sold $5.6 million in stock the day he announced promising vaccine news

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/11/investing/pfizer-ceo-albert-bourla-stock-sale-vaccine/index.html

3 hours ago, teacherclaire said:

Please keep all your vaccination for yourself. 

 

  If they work for monkeys, they might not work for us.

 

  But what do I know? I just don't want an vaccination. 

They are phase 3 tests , so tested on 30.000 to 60.000 people in double blind test ( so control group "vaccinated" with saline solution or similar vs vaccinated with the trial vaccine , where none of the people vaccinating or people inside know who gets what ) . So whatever you saying isnt true .

2nd you were prob vaccinated in the past many times , and certainly if you are above a age , since then you would have been vaccinated for smallpox , a disease which is now completely out of this world . More recent , polio is almost completely gone , also due to vaccination . .

29 minutes ago, OumarhindaOunsingha said:

It can be stored at minus 75 degrees C for how long?

And at minus 18 degrees?

And minus two?

At plus five degrees it should be "fresh" for around four days, I have heard. 

My point is just, that certainly the Phizer vaccines can get into Thailand at minus 75 C, and then, when distributed to the rural areas, if that part of the distribution scheme would take more than four days, then maybe keeping the vaccines at minus ten or twenty degrees would give them enough time to get it out to the people living in the sticks. I don't think they would get destroyed by being held in a freezer at, say, minus eighteen degrees for a week or so, before getting warmed up to plus five degrees to be given to the people. It is like people think that it can only be stored at minus 75, and then warmed up to plus 2-8, but I highly doubt that it should not be possible to store the vaccine at minus ten for at least some days, before warming it up to five and giving it to the people. And minus ten should be very possible to keep it on in pretty normal cars with normal freezers in.

 

again....it's great in theory.  possibly doable in central bangkok.

 

but the reality is that tour bus shocks are repaired by filling the springs with tennis balls.

 

never, never, never trust that specific procedures will be followed.

5 hours ago, gillap said:

How is it they suddenly have a vaccine for covid-19...a VIRUS apparently with many strains ...and they don't have a vaccine for AIDS yet! Makes one wonder...right? I will NOT be getting this vaccine if I have a choice...!

A : because the companies who are in front of this wave of tests ( Pfizer / AstraZeneca / and a few others ) , were working on different types of corona virus which were active before but have disappeared like SARS and MERS . So part of that research was finished and as soon as the full sequence of this type of corona virus was known , they could proceed on working on these previous results .

B : every virus , as well as all living things evolve . Some evolve fast , others go slow . These mutations can be small or can be great . HIV is still roughly the same virus as it was in the 80s , while the flu changes every few weeks quite big . Corona virus is a very big strain of virus , but Covid-19 is a specific strain and at the moment it evolves but none of the receptors (protein) which are used for the vaccine is changed yet . It does not mean it wont happen , hence the killing of the minks in Denmark , since they found a few people which had been infected with a new type of corona , evolved from crossbreed in minkfarms .

C : HIV is a totally different kind of virus , working on a totally different path , and so far no vaccination has been effective . Some virus are easier to find a vaccine and others is extremely challenging .

Test it on the Politicians first, if it has serious side effects....no big loss.

regards worgeordie

5 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Test it on the Politicians first, if it has serious side effects....no big loss.

regards worgeordie

They are welcome to test it on me.  It's already been tested on tens of thousands of people so I have no problem taking it.

 

The funny thing about this entire situation is that it may take well over five billion doses to inoculate the entire population and cure us of COVID.  So just think about what five billion doses means.  Think about five billion extra needles.  Think about five billion pieces of plastic the needles are wrapped in.   Think about five billion glass vials.  Think about all the logistics of this.

2021 is a total write-off.  Look towards 2022 for a slight recovery.  

I think Dr. Yong hasn't got a clue.

11 hours ago, gillap said:

How is it they suddenly have a vaccine for covid-19...a VIRUS apparently with many strains ...and they don't have a vaccine for AIDS yet! Makes one wonder...right? I will NOT be getting this vaccine if I have a choice...!

The market for an AIDS vaccine is not big enough and therefore not interesting.

10 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

This is how LNG is transported at minus 161°C also over the gulf of Thailand:

 

 

But they claim to be unable to transport some bottles of vaccine at minus 80°C? How ridiculous is that!

The LNG cargo is used as a cooling agent it self, I use to overhaul the compressors on board those vessels. At a temp of - 161centigrades it remains liquified and volume reduced at approx 8 to 1.

10 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

 

Sure, agree. LNG requires a pressure vessel, while for liquid Nitrogen a Thermos bottle is sufficient, and for the transport of the vaccine in dry ice a styrofoam box does the job.

 

There is no pressure on LIQUIFIED natural gas, it's just LIQUID.

54 minutes ago, Albert Zweistein said:

There is no pressure on LIQUIFIED natural gas, it's just LIQUID.

 

I agree and stand corrected. LNG only requires active cooling, and is stored at atmospheric pressure. This shows even more that it is easy to transport huge masses at much lower temperatures as necessary for the vaccine.

 

Back to the vaccine: Probably cartridges ready for use will be supplied in styrofoam boxes, kept cool by dry ice. Dry ice has a temperature of -79°C, and therefore has exactly the required temperature for the vaccine. Depending on the mass of the dry ice, it will last a few days before there might be a need to refill it. The price of dry ice is around 150 Baht per kilogram. So, storage and transport is very easy and cheap.

 

This way of cooling during transport is quite common even for commodities of the daily life, for example used by mail order selling of frozen food.

 

Alternatively cooling with liquid Nitrogen at -196°C might be used, which also is very easy and common.

 

This Dr. Yong seems to have no glue. But as an academic doing medical research, he MUST know that storage and transport of a vaccine at -70°C is easy, and that Thailand has all means necessary available. So it is quite clear that he has other biased selfish reasons for the BS he tells his audience, as usual when he talks about Covid.

 

12 hours ago, John Drake said:

and think a thermos and dry ice will do the trick.

 

Order a large take away Blizzard from Dairy Queen and they pack it with dry ice!

Remember that the new vaccine from Pfizer is a genetically engineered vaccine,  first time in the history to be mass produced. It can easily be produced in a lab, no virus needed. It's just a genetic code. 

Are you ready for this ?   Some scientists talk about autoimmune diseases as a side effect, but it could take years to find out how it will affect your body. 
 

Have they tested it  on mutated  Minks  yet?

2 hours ago, Albert Zweistein said:

I think Dr. Yong hasn't got a clue.

They should  open a  university for it  in Thailand, then they could  announce a  hub of  not  having a  clue.

chinese are working hard to copy the vaccine

18 minutes ago, bodga said:

Have they tested it  on mutated  Minks  yet?

They think it will still work on that mutation.

15 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

So, why exactly is Yong again staring his biased messages? Working at a university, he should know these facts very well. Rhetorical question, of course. It's quite clear that he acts more as a mouthpiece of the junta than as a scientist, when it is about Covid.

Spreading hope for an ailing nation.

18 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

According to the article > This prototype is now being tested on macaques.

But I doubt whether these volunteered. ????

Got to keep the coconut milk production going.

A post containing false or misleading information has been removed.

 

5 hours ago, Albert Zweistein said:

I think Dr. Yong hasn't got a clue.

His recommendations to continue keeping your guard to avoid any tyrannosaurus attacks were spot-on and proved 100% effective.

4 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

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This Dr. Yong seems to have no glue. But as an academic doing medical research, he MUST know that storage and transport of a vaccine at -70°C is easy, and that Thailand has all means necessary available. So it is quite clear that he has other biased selfish reasons for the BS he tells his audience, as usual when he talks about Covid.

...

Probably because he sniffed it all before making his clueless statements...