2 hours ago, impulse said:

They wanted citizens to leave their offices, put down their plows, and go serve for a few years.  Then go back and have to live in the country they were creating

So what they got with trump was a poor excuse for a human being who never did a hard days work in his life, was a five times draft dodger and refused to serve his country, fleeced hundreds of workers and tradesmen of money owed them, stole from charities and told tens of thousands of lies. 

 

Not sure that's what the founding fathers envisaged; not sure that anyone could have envisaged such a huge error of judgement when choosing such an dumb, unstable and self-serving buffoon.

 

And the only thing this monstrosity has created is a nation divided .

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Because the other guy (and his career politician cronies) are worse.  The founding fathers didn't intend for politicians to latch onto the gub'ment breast and hold on until they retired.  They wanted citizens to leave their offices, put down their plows, and go serve for a few years.  Then go back and have to live in the country they were creating.

 

Please tell that to Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, career politicians in statehouses across the country, etc.

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Could just be which stack of votes they counted first.  That's what happened the first time around- but in the other direction...

 

In any case, I'll wait for the fat lady to sing.

 

He aint no "lady"

Doubt he can sing either

Whine yes, sing>nah

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Can anyone...in less than 100 words...explain to me how a normal, reasonably intelligent human could vote for Trump?

 

I have wracked my brain, but cannot see what they see.

 

100 words? I'll try. My hundred starts now...

 

Some are racist and 45 has given them the all clear to come out ("Jews will not replace us", "Chauvin should have knelt on Floyd's neck longer")

 

Some have no understanding of the US Constitution, 3 branches of govt, checks and balances.

 

Some are just poorly educated.

 

Some bewildered by an increasingly technological world that obviates any value they might add to society or the economy.

 

Some were described by PT Barnum.

 

Biden won 16% of all US Counties, but they account for 70% of US GDP. 45's areas are essentially slacker areas carried by the production of Biden's people.

5 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

"Jews will not replace us", "Chauvin should have knelt on Floyd's neck longer"

Care to provide some links to these false Trump quotes you just made up?

 

People like Trump for many reasons. For myself I like his putting America 1st. Why would anybody want a leader that does not put his country and people 1st? I like his stance on freedom. I like what he did with the economy. I like what he did in foreign affairs - peace in the ME and Korea may not please the left, but I am impressed. I like that he did not invade ME and African nations. I liked not reading about Assad, white helmets and the need to invade Syria 24/7, I like the idea of a wall protecting US sovereignty. My sympathy for him rose when it was clear the deep state/MSM.social media were unfairly censoring him(reached a peak with the Biden laptop and the left's coordinated lie to label it a fabrication and Russian misinformation even though heads of security agencies had stated that to be false and  - election interference anybody?). Many other reasons, but none being that I am a stupid racist. Thanks.

3 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Care to provide some links to these false Trump quotes you just made up?

 

People like Trump for many reasons. For myself I like his putting America 1st. Why would anybody want a leader that does not put his country and people 1st? I like his stance on freedom. I like what he did with the economy. I like what he did in foreign affairs - peace in the ME and Korea may not please the left, but I am impressed. I like that he did not invade ME and African nations. I liked not reading about Assad, white helmets and the need to invade Syria 24/7, I like the idea of a wall protecting US sovereignty. My sympathy for him rose when it was clear the deep state/MSM.social media were unfairly censoring him(reached a peak with the Biden laptop and the left's coordinated lie to label it a fabrication and Russian misinformation even though heads of security agencies had stated that to be false and  - election interference anybody?). Many other reasons, but none being that I am a stupid racist. Thanks.

You're crediting Trump with things he didn't do and things that didn't happen.

 

I'll simply address the "America 1st" nonsense.  Trump made a lot of noise, but all he has done is alienate allies and encourage enemies of the US.  America can't be first when it is alone, and Trump has made America very lonely in the world community.  That's why his confrontations with China have done a lot of damage and accomplished nothing; he was too dumb or lazy to bring together an alliance of countries (or use the TPP waiting for him when he took office) that could have effectively dealt with China.

3 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Care to provide some links to these false Trump quotes you just made up?

 

People like Trump for many reasons. For myself I like his putting America 1st. Why would anybody want a leader that does not put his country and people 1st? I like his stance on freedom. I like what he did with the economy. I like what he did in foreign affairs - peace in the ME and Korea may not please the left, but I am impressed. I like that he did not invade ME and African nations. I liked not reading about Assad, white helmets and the need to invade Syria 24/7, I like the idea of a wall protecting US sovereignty. My sympathy for him rose when it was clear the deep state/MSM.social media were unfairly censoring him(reached a peak with the Biden laptop and the left's coordinated lie to label it a fabrication and Russian misinformation even though heads of security agencies had stated that to be false and  - election interference anybody?). Many other reasons, but none being that I am a stupid racist. Thanks.

"Jews will not replace us" was the chant of the tiki torch bearers at Charlottesville, whom 45 called 'some very fine people'.

 

The second quote comes from one of his people here:

 

My post was a response to someone who asked "What leads people to support 45?"

 

I answered with my opinion.

 

Yours may differ.  However, when I see attendees at 45's rallies and Superspreader events, chanting the usual drivel of 'lock her up' (a political opponent who was found to have broken no law), or "CNN sucks", seemingly ignoring the fact the Founders put Press Freedom in the very 1st Amendment, or supporters like Cesar Sayoc (bombs to folks like John Brennan, CNN) or Chris Hannsen (putting together a spreadsheet with names of those he hoped to kill, including Sen Warren and Joe Scarborough) or Robert Bowers, radicalized by 45's 'migrant caravan' trope who then slaughtered folks at a synagogue because it aided migrants, then a picture emerges of just who supports 45.

 

48 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Care to provide some links to these false Trump quotes you just made up?

 

People like Trump for many reasons. For myself I like his putting America 1st. Why would anybody want a leader that does not put his country and people 1st? I like his stance on freedom. I like what he did with the economy. I like what he did in foreign affairs - peace in the ME and Korea may not please the left, but I am impressed. I like that he did not invade ME and African nations. I liked not reading about Assad, white helmets and the need to invade Syria 24/7, I like the idea of a wall protecting US sovereignty. My sympathy for him rose when it was clear the deep state/MSM.social media were unfairly censoring him(reached a peak with the Biden laptop and the left's coordinated lie to label it a fabrication and Russian misinformation even though heads of security agencies had stated that to be false and  - election interference anybody?). Many other reasons, but none being that I am a stupid racist. Thanks.

He doesn't put America first, he puts big business and himself first.

 

His stance on freedom is to lock children in cages and separate them from their parents.

 

He built on an economy that was very healthy when handed over from Obam but has managed to greatly increase national debt.

 

North Korea is unchanged other than they have since developed and tested the Hydrogen bomb and its capability to be mounted in a long range missile. Missiles that now have a far greater range than before.

 

There is no peace in the ME. He brokered a deal between 2 tiny Gulf states and Israel. Those states had never attacked nor threatened to attack Israel. A non deal. Real peace can only be delivered by agreement between Israel and Palestine, which is further away than ever thanks to Trump.

 

US troups are still in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

Yes "build that wall and the Mexicans will pay for it" the mainstay of his 2016 election campaign, neither of which happened. Notice how it was never mentioned in this campaign?

 

The MSM have only censored outright lies and wild conspiracy theories, Trump's bread and butter.

 

50 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Care to provide some links to these false Trump quotes you just made up?

 

People like Trump for many reasons. For myself I like his putting America 1st. Why would anybody want a leader that does not put his country and people 1st? I like his stance on freedom. I like what he did with the economy. I like what he did in foreign affairs - peace in the ME and Korea may not please the left, but I am impressed.

And I'm impressed that you actually believe that trump brought about peace between North and South Korea (hint; the two Koreas have never signed a peace treaty and are technically at war with each other) and peace in the ME (Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq etc.) - like really really impressed!

Et tu, Brute!

 

Fox News Anchor Thoroughly Debunks Trump's Election Fraud Claims

 

"Fox News anchor Eric Shawn on Sunday debunked claims of widespread electoral fraud pushed by President Donald Trump and some of his allies at the network, calling them an insult to the thousands of election officials across the country who worked to ensure the process was free and fair.

The weekend anchor said on “America’s News Headquarters” that the baseless and inflammatory claims about a rigged election were disputed by the government, election officials and voting experts and were “designed to undermine your faith in American democracy.”"

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

My post was a response to someone who asked "What leads people to support 45?"

 

I answered with my opinion.

 

Yours may differ.  However, when I see attendees at 45's rallies and Superspreader events, chanting the usual drivel of 'lock her up' (a political opponent who was found to have broken no law), or "CNN sucks", seemingly ignoring the fact the Founders put Press Freedom in the very 1st Amendment, or supporters like Cesar Sayoc (bombs to folks like John Brennan, CNN) or Chris Hannsen (putting together a spreadsheet with names of those he hoped to kill, including Sen Warren and Joe Scarborough) or Robert Bowers, radicalized by 45's 'migrant caravan' trope who then slaughtered folks at a synagogue because it aided migrants, then a picture emerges of just who supports 45.

 

And here it is (btw, "a picture is worth a thousand words," sorry no link to that.)

 

Just have to love the kpop fans. Flooding the millions maga march hashtag with pics of pancakes. Brilliant.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/k-pop-fans-protesting-pro-104129068.html

15 minutes ago, watthong said:

 

And here it is (btw, "a picture is worth a thousand words," sorry no link to that.)

 

More WalMart than Macys 

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

 

100 words? I'll try. My hundred starts now...

 

Some are racist and 45 has given them the all clear to come out ("Jews will not replace us", "Chauvin should have knelt on Floyd's neck longer")

 

 

 

 

Biden won 16% of all US Counties, but they account for 70% of US GDP. 45's areas are essentially slacker areas carried by the production of Biden's people.

Please provide proof. That's how this works.

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

 

100 words? I'll try. My hundred starts now...

 

Some are racist and 45 has given them the all clear to come out ("Jews will not replace us", "Chauvin should have knelt on Floyd's neck longer")

 

 

 

  Who are you quoting ?

Who said those things ?

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 Who are you quoting ?

Who said those things ?

 

1 minute ago, Salerno said:

 

 

   No Trump didnt say they were fine people .

He was saying that apart from the violent rioters ,racists etc, there were some other  fine people there .

  He was referring  to the well behaved people , not the racist thugs

Some seriously sad folk out there

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/coming-for-blacks-indians-disturbing-sign-spotted-at-maga-rally-during-fox-broadcast/news-story/ce19f1bb60908c52bab1d87986fa0e12

I'm gonna miss my Daily Dose of Donald's Delusional Drivel.

Perhaps he could be given a slot on a cable station before he's taken to the Big House.

 

52 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   No Trump didnt say they were fine people .

He was saying that apart from the violent rioters ,racists etc, there were some other  fine people there .

  He was referring  to the well behaved people , not the racist thugs

No one marching with white supremists are fine people.

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Who are you quoting ?

Who said those things ?

The people in his next post

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   No Trump didnt say they were fine people .

He was saying that apart from the violent rioters ,racists etc, there were some other  fine people there .

  He was referring  to the well behaved people , not the racist thugs

That was his explanation given later.. After a lot of urging to condemn them. He said he needed time to get all the evidence.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

On 11/14/2020 at 7:09 PM, spiekerjozef said:

How can people be so dumb ? * brainwashed *.

I think that basically, for the first time, the vast majority of the population are old enough that they get and have always gotten for almost all of their lives (in some cases if they are young enough, all of their lives) all of their news and facts, and more importantly, form all of their opinions from the internet and social media. And for the first time, whether you like Trump or not, their is a leader that understands, and more importantly, uses the internet and social media and that power to shape and influence opinion using these tools to his favor and gain. Too many people believe anything they read on twitter, facebook etc to mistakenly believe what they have come to know as comfortable and familiar and accept as creditable and trusted.  

 

It is easy when somebody tells you what you want to hear and represents the side you have chosen, to believe those words and not do the work to listen to facts and reason that might contradict the favorable and familiar message. When you have also been told that the other side is evil (or as Jon Voight recently said "Satan") and are the greatest current threat to the country and to fight like it is a war. That is an incredibly dangerous message by the way...

 

It is easy to accept a message that is familiar and comfortable, especially when those same familiar and comfortable sources tell you that their message is the only one to believe and anything coming from the other side is lies and a direct attack on the country...dont forget to wrap it up in the stars and stripes to reinforce that credibility and trust....and be sure to tell the people you are trying to manipulate that they are patriots to reinforce that no matter what, their cause...or more to the point in this case, TRUMP's cause...is moral just and right. When you can influence people with those variables, alot of people will go for and believe anything.

On 11/15/2020 at 12:09 PM, spiekerjozef said:

How can people be so dumb ? * brainwashed *.

 

“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels. Among psychologists something like this known as the "illusion of truth" effect.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth

On 11/15/2020 at 7:18 AM, ExpatOK said:

Relax. On Jan 20th we will know who the president is. 

Actually you will know sooner, when the tallies from the electoral college are taken and reported to the congress.

23 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

TRUMP's cause...is moral just and right.

W*T-F. Trump's only cause is himself.  He has no morals and he does not know right from wrong!

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

I think that basically, for the first time, the vast majority of the population are old enough that they get and have always gotten for almost all of their lives (in some cases if they are young enough, all of their lives) all of their news and facts, and more importantly, form all of their opinions from the internet and social media. And for the first time, whether you like Trump or not, their is a leader that understands, and more importantly, uses the internet and social media and that power to shape and influence opinion using these tools to his favor and gain. Too many people believe anything they read on twitter, facebook etc to mistakenly believe what they have come to know as comfortable and familiar and accept as creditable and trusted.  

 

It is easy when somebody tells you what you want to hear and represents the side you have chosen, to believe those words and not do the work to listen to facts and reason that might contradict the favorable and familiar message. When you have also been told that the other side is evil (or as Jon Voight recently said "Satan") and are the greatest current threat to the country and to fight like it is a war. That is an incredibly dangerous message by the way...

 

It is easy to accept a message that is familiar and comfortable, especially when those same familiar and comfortable sources tell you that their message is the only one to believe and anything coming from the other side is lies and a direct attack on the country...dont forget to wrap it up in the stars and stripes to reinforce that credibility and trust....and be sure to tell the people you are trying to manipulate that they are patriots to reinforce that no matter what, their cause...or more to the point in this case, TRUMP's cause...is moral just and right. When you can influence people with those variables, alot of people will go for and believe anything.

Agree with you he is the master of using the internet, his marks as he calls them are just suckers for his griffing ways. Have to wonder how many of these people will donate to his election defense fund were most of the money goes to his campaign to pay off debt.

12 minutes ago, fangless said:

W*T-F. Trump's only cause is himself.  He has no morals and he does not know right from wrong!

 

 

 

I agree with you totally, I dont think you read the entire paragraph..

 

"It is easy to accept a message that is familiar and comfortable, especially when those same familiar and comfortable sources tell you that their message is the only one to believe and anything coming from the other side is lies and a direct attack on the country...dont forget to wrap it up in the stars and stripes to reinforce that credibility and trust....and be sure to tell the people you are trying to manipulate that they are patriots to reinforce that no matter what, their cause...or more to the point in this case, TRUMP's cause...is moral just and right. When you can influence people with those variables, alot of people will go for and believe anything."

 

1 minute ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

I dont think you read the entire paragraph.

I tried to!

16 minutes ago, moe666 said:

Agree with you he is the master of using the internet

I must disagree.

His puppet masters are the masters of him seeming to be the master of him using the internet!