Anti-vaxers. Nuts, or not ?

[Mark Nothing]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How is polio  spread?

https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/communicable/poliomyelitis/fact_sheet.htm

'Polio is spread when the stool of an infected person is introduced into the mouth of another person through contaminated water or food (fecal-oral transmission). Oral-oral transmission by way of an infected person's saliva may account for some cases.'

 

Not really something to worry about in the modern  world imho.

My research confirms that steep declines in diseases occurred due to improvements in sanitation, nutrition, and clean drinking water, yet vaccines received the credit.

 

I reject the entire concept and am against vaccines.

[BritManToo]

11 hours ago, polpott said:

How is salmonella spread? Same way. There are a number of bacterial diseases spread this way but they haven't been eradicated from modern society.

As a pro-vaxxer shouldn't your argument be more, "we should all be vaccinated against Salmonella"?

[Jeffr2]

https://www.who.int/news-room/spotlight/ten-threats-to-global-health-in-2019

Vaccine hesitancy – the reluctance or refusal to vaccinate despite the availability of vaccines – threatens to reverse progress made in tackling vaccine-preventable diseases. Vaccination is one of the most cost-effective ways of avoiding disease – it currently prevents 2-3 million deaths a year, and a further 1.5 million could be avoided if global coverage of vaccinations improved. 

[polpott]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

As a pro-vaxxer shouldn't your argument be more, "we should all be vaccinated against Salmonella"?

Salmonella is a bacterial infection.

[Peter Denis]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

https://www.who.int/news-room/spotlight/ten-threats-to-global-health-in-2019

Vaccine hesitancy – the reluctance or refusal to vaccinate despite the availability of vaccines – threatens to reverse progress made in tackling vaccine-preventable diseases. Vaccination is one of the most cost-effective ways of avoiding disease – it currently prevents 2-3 million deaths a year, and a further 1.5 million could be avoided if global coverage of vaccinations improved. 

It's a sad state of affairs that we now need to take recent WHO information with an ever larger grain of salt.

Two facts:

1 - In October 2019 the WHO guidelines on pandemics were still quite clear that lock-downs were NOT recommended as measures to cope with an outbreak.  And after the WuHan first time ever massive lock-down, without any evidence to the contrary, the China lock-down model of quarantaining healthy people was embraced and then copied everywhere. 

2 - Recently the WHO's definition of 'herd immunity' was re-written!  The previous definition indicated that herd immunity could be achieved naturally (by people getting infected and then becoming immune) as well as by vaccination.  The rewritten definition does not contain that 'natural' component anymore, and now only talks about vaccination as the sole way of achieving herd immunity.

 

[Jeffr2]

15 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

It's a sad state of affairs that we now need to take recent WHO information with an ever larger grain of salt.

Two facts:

1 - In October 2019 the WHO guidelines on pandemics were still quite clear that lock-downs were NOT recommended as measures to cope with an outbreak.  And after the WuHan first time ever massive lock-down, without any evidence to the contrary, the China lock-down model of quarantaining healthy people was embraced and then copied everywhere. 

2 - Recently the WHO's definition of 'herd immunity' was re-written!  The previous definition indicated that herd immunity could be achieved naturally (by people getting infected and then becoming immune) as well as by vaccination.  The rewritten definition does not contain that 'natural' component anymore, and now only talks about vaccination as the sole way of achieving herd immunity.

 

In October 2019, we didn't know about CV19.  Even now, we don't fully understand this virus. Especially as it mutates.

[owl sees all]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

In October 2019, we didn't know about CV19.  Even now, we don't fully understand this virus. Especially as it mutates.

All viruses mutate.

[polpott]

11 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

So asking what is actually in the vaccine, and accurate trial stats makes one an anti-vaxxer?

 

I for one do not wear the 'It's for your own good' narrative. I'd like to see some meat on the bones.

 

RIP Brandy

 Pfizer listed the ingredients in its vaccine. They can be organized into four basic categories:

Active ingredient

• 30 mcg of a nucleosidemodified messenger RNA (modRNA) encoding the viral spike (S) glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2.

Fats

• lipids (0.43 mg (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 0.05 mg 2[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 0.09 mg 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and 0.2 mg cholesterol)

Salts

• 0.01 mg potassium chloride
• 0.01 mg monobasic potassium phosphate
• 0.36 mg sodium chloride
• 0.07 mg dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate

Sugar

• 6 mg sucrose  

[Bender Rodriguez]

18 hours ago, robblok said:

Measles not as harmless as you might think. So 1 in 5000 so as long as less people die from the vaccine itself it seems a safe bet.

 

UNLESS IT IS YOUR CHILD that is DEAD for NOTHING

 

but not your problem, you don't have children as you stated

[Jeffr2]

19 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

 

UNLESS IT IS YOUR CHILD that is DEAD for NOTHING

 

but not your problem, you don't have children as you stated

Yeah, one died and 4,999 survived.  Got ya. 

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[robblok]

31 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

 

UNLESS IT IS YOUR CHILD that is DEAD for NOTHING

 

but not your problem, you don't have children as you stated

You are really not bright. The vaccine has not killed anyone but anyone NOT taking the vaccine and getting measles because of it has a 1 in 5000 chance to die. 

 

Logic is logic and facts are facts. You have neither.

 

 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Yeah, I don't get anti-vaxers.  Falling for conspiracy theories and fake news.  But then I don't get Trump supporters either!

Usually they are the same.

[Rimmer]

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