Popular Post tebee Posted January 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 hours ago, luckyluke said: I think it is rather early to have any news about what concrete impact the absence of the U.K. financial contribution will have on the daily life of the man in the street in the E.U.. I suppose there is also no news yet about what concrete benefit the man in the street in the U.K. will have from this spare money. UK is still contributing 6 billion a year instead of the 7 billion previously, so it's not a great change for either side 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, tebee said: UK is still contributing 6 billion a year instead of the 7 billion previously, so it's not a great change for either side I'm guessing that's to pay off certain obligations. Do you know how many years that's going to last? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkcanuck8 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, placeholder said: I'm guessing that's to pay off certain obligations. Do you know how many years that's going to last? It drops off over the next few years and then by 2024 it is nominal at most (a smidgen compared to now). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, tebee said: UK is still contributing 6 billion a year instead of the 7 billion previously, so it's not a great change for either side I didn't know that. I googled and found this : "Brexit: the financial settlement – in detail" https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8039/ Most interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tebee Posted January 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, luckyluke said: I didn't know that. I googled and found this : "Brexit: the financial settlement – in detail" https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8039/ Most interesting. And of course there still won't be any savings as the UK needs to create it's own medical agency, aircraft agency, food standards agency, nuclear agency ,chemicals agency, cosmetics agency, phytosanitery agency + a host of other, to replace all the EU ones it's opted out of 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tebee Posted January 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2021 12 hours ago, vinny41 said: So no ships banned then and no Scandinavians(people) Banned either and there is nothing stopping you requoting your own post or the post from france if you can remember which one it is What a difference a day makes 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, tebee said: What a difference a day makes Congratulations , that was what i liked Vinny to show before ,when today once more he was on a " link hunting mission " ???? , but i did not find it anymore "Hi from France" posted it before ... Made my day good now ....???? Edited January 8, 2021 by david555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 31 minutes ago, david555 said: Congratulations , that was what i liked Vinny to show before ,when today once more he was on a " link hunting mission " ???? , but i did not find it anymore "Hi from France" posted it before ... Made my day good now ....???? You guys need to do more research and ignore the head line writers of the daily express Norwegian Government concern over lack of trilateral agreement for 2021 The UK, EU and Norway have yet to enter trilateral talks on fishing opportunities in the North Sea for 2021. This will mean, as of 01 January 2021, Norwegian vessels will not be able to fish in the British zone or EU zone, in the same way as vessels from the UK or the EU cannot fish in Norway’s economic zone. The EU had suggested, as a contingency plan, of rolling-over 25% of TACs from the 2020 trilateral agreement into the first quarter of 2021, but this idea had not been accepted by the other two parties. Fishing fleets will now experience a void in their fishing until an agreement, whether provisional or settled is brought into place by the three parties https://thefishingdaily.com/latest-news/norwegian-government-concern-over-lack-of-trilateral-agreement-for-2021/ . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, vinny41 said: You guys need to do more research and ignore the head line writers of the daily express Norwegian Government concern over lack of trilateral agreement for 2021 The UK, EU and Norway have yet to enter trilateral talks on fishing opportunities in the North Sea for 2021. This will mean, as of 01 January 2021, Norwegian vessels will not be able to fish in the British zone or EU zone, in the same way as vessels from the UK or the EU cannot fish in Norway’s economic zone. The EU had suggested, as a contingency plan, of rolling-over 25% of TACs from the 2020 trilateral agreement into the first quarter of 2021, but this idea had not been accepted by the other two parties. Fishing fleets will now experience a void in their fishing until an agreement, whether provisional or settled is brought into place by the three parties https://thefishingdaily.com/latest-news/norwegian-government-concern-over-lack-of-trilateral-agreement-for-2021/ . But still they can not fish in those waters ....same as day before the Norwegians could not fish anymore in U.K. waters .....looks like you are able to denies the earth is round ...???? ridiculous defense from you , as Boris call same thing banned .... but from Norway side same fact can not be called by your explaining banned And yes they go , or are talking for future .... can take a while i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vinny41 Posted January 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, david555 said: But still they can not fish in those waters ....same as day before the Norwegians could not fish anymore in U.K. waters .....looks like you are able to denies the earth is round ...???? ridiculous defense from you , as Boris call same thing banned .... but from Norway side same fact can not be called by your explaining banned And yes they go , or are talking for future .... can take a while i think As stated The Norwegian Prime Minister, Erna Solberg welcomed the Brexit agreement which was reached last week between the UK and the EU saying “this is good news for the UK, the EU and Norway. Unfortunately, the agreement comes too late for the start of the new year. The UK, EU and Norway have yet to enter trilateral talks on fishing opportunities in the North Sea for 2021. This will mean, as of 01 January 2021, Norwegian vessels will not be able to fish in the British zone or EU zone, in the same way as vessels from the UK or the EU cannot fish in Norway’s economic zone. https://thefishingdaily.com/latest-news/norwegian-government-concern-over-lack-of-trilateral-agreement-for-2021/ You will not find the daily express headlines anywhere else from another media outlet why do you think that is , could be that the daily express is well known for creating headlines They know there is no fishing agreement in place between EU,UK and Norway for 2021 The UK hasn't banned Norwegian fishing boats from UK waters, likewise Norway hasn't banned UK fishing boats from Norwegian waters they are stating the 2020 agreement is null and void and no Norwegian fishing boats can fish in EU or UK waters until a trilateral agreement is reached between EU,UK and Norway and that no EU or UK fishing boat can fish in Norwegian waters. PS Boris doesn't work for the Daily Express Edited January 8, 2021 by vinny41 additional info 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted January 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/08/firms-including-ms-suspend-eu-exports-over-brexit-smallprint?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bkkcanuck8 Posted January 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/08/firms-including-ms-suspend-eu-exports-over-brexit-smallprint?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Kept on hearing on here about additional documentation to export from the UK to EU, but no one mentions the cost to the importer as they may require additional documentation as part of importing (this is especially the case for fresh exports such as fish etc.). More documentation, more red tape means that if you have an EU source and a UK source for the same item.... and it is the same cost ... the easiest solution is just to buy domestic.... To make the UK good a better option, you have to basically drop the sale value of the product to make it competitive (or be of substantially better quality). This is something you cannot measure ahead of time it will take months to see how the supply lines get reconfigured as a result of all the new red tape. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post luckyluke Posted January 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2021 16 hours ago, transam said: Indeed, Brexit is done, just a few things to sort out, much the same as any new start up... Any news on your increased EU payments yet, I hear you are heading back there soon....? So, if I understand correctly, it seems that we, man in the street in the E.U. will be safe for a while, the U.K. continuing to pay till 2050+. However gradually less. "No EU Member State should pay more or receive less because of the UK’s withdrawal from the EU." https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8039/ 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Well done the UK for unselfishly continuing to support the neighbours, it is surely appreciated by many, even those who ridicule. I feel quite charitable now paying taxes for the welfare of the less fortunate. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkcanuck8 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, 473geo said: Well done the UK for unselfishly continuing to support the neighbours, it is surely appreciated by many, even those who ridicule. I feel quite charitable now paying taxes for the welfare of the less fortunate. ???? Governments make commitments now for things that they expect to pay later (like pensions - some of which will be for UK citizens). The larger payments from 2020 - 2024 IMHO are for commitments made over the last 4 years and payment is coming due during the next 4 years. The smaller residual payments after that point are likely for pensions already earned (proportionally) but not yet paid... (earnings in the future the UK would not be responsible for). Just my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 4 hours ago, luckyluke said: So, if I understand correctly, it seems that we, man in the street in the E.U. will be safe for a while, the U.K. continuing to pay till 2050+. However gradually less. "No EU Member State should pay more or receive less because of the UK’s withdrawal from the EU." https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8039/ That statement became null and void on December 31st 2020 Example 28 members for the 2014-2020 for the Erasmus+ paid 16,474 billion euros if divided equally among 28 members comes to approx 588.4 billion euros per country https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/erasmus-plus/programme-guide/part-a/what-is-the-budget_en the proposed Erasmus+ budget for 2021-2028 is 26.2 billion euros if divided equally among 27 members comes to approx 970.4 billion euros per country https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_20_2317 That is an extra 382 billion euros for each of the 27 members 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, vinny41 said: That statement became null and void on December 31st 2020 Example 28 members for the 2014-2020 for the Erasmus+ paid 16,474 billion euros if divided equally among 28 members comes to approx 588.4 billion euros per country https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/erasmus-plus/programme-guide/part-a/what-is-the-budget_en the proposed Erasmus+ budget for 2021-2028 is 26.2 billion euros if divided equally among 27 members comes to approx 970.4 billion euros per country https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_20_2317 That is an extra 382 billion euros for each of the 27 members Seemed indeed to easy for the E.U.. In all these reports one juggle with billions, in a way that I don't have any idea anymore what these enormous amounts really represent. For instance Belgium has since years and years, billions deficit, something around 50 now, but live go on, and on. I think my best way is to wait and see, I will sure, soon or later, find out how these billions will concretely affect my daily life, assuming it will. For sure, it doesn't seem that the actual Belgium government is very impressed by these extra billions, they announced that pension will increase this year, and the next five. Maybe already early election promises ( 2024 ). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 33 minutes ago, luckyluke said: Seemed indeed to easy for the E.U.. In all these reports one juggle with billions, in a way that I don't have any idea anymore what these enormous amounts really represent. For instance Belgium has since years and years, billions deficit, something around 50 now, but live go on, and on. I think my best way is to wait and see, I will sure, soon or later, find out how these billions will concretely affect my daily life, assuming it will. For sure, it doesn't seem that the actual Belgium government is very impressed by these extra billions, they announced that pension will increase this year, and the next five. Maybe already early election promises ( 2024 ). For a number of years everyone in your country as been told by your government to accept austerity,austerity that the government has to keep spending controlled within the EU limits. Greece has been told the same austerity,austerity You will be aware that only once in the history of the EU has it ever practised what it preaches and reluctantly applied a small reduction in the EU budget The age of austerity caught up with the European Union on Friday when a gruelling nonstop 26-hour negotiation resulted in agreement to slash the new seven-year EU budget by 3.3%, or €32bn, the first reduced budget in the union's history. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/08/eu-budget-austerity-first-time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, vinny41 said: For a number of years everyone in your country as been told by your government to accept austerity,austerity that the government has to keep spending controlled within the EU limits. Greece has been told the same austerity,austerity You will be aware that only once in the history of the EU has it ever practised what it preaches and reluctantly applied a small reduction in the EU budget The age of austerity caught up with the European Union on Friday when a gruelling nonstop 26-hour negotiation resulted in agreement to slash the new seven-year EU budget by 3.3%, or €32bn, the first reduced budget in the union's history. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/08/eu-budget-austerity-first-time Maybe we have been told to accept austerity, but in the 52 years I lived and worked in Belgium, one could not trace it, certainly not in Flanders. We are labelled as Burgundian ( enjoy is central ) and believe me, one could see it, in all domains. The average financial capacity of the Belgian was 118000 Euro ( 4250000 Thai Baht ) last year. Now things may change starting this year, we all will have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, luckyluke said: Maybe we have been told to accept austerity, but in the 52 years I lived and worked in Belgium, one could not trace it, certainly not in Flanders. We are labelled as Burgundian ( enjoy is central ) and believe me, one could see it, in all domains. The average financial capacity of the Belgian was 118000 Euro ( 4250000 Thai Baht ) last year. Now things may change starting this year, we all will have to wait and see. maybe not in your area According to the EU Statistics on Income and Living Conditions (EU-SILC) 2010 survey, 15.3 per cent of Belgium’s population in 2011 was at risk of falling into poverty (in Flemish-speaking Flanders, the wealthiest region in Belgium, this was 9.8 per cent, whereas in Wallonia, a poor French-speaking region this was 19.2 per cent).9 These relatively stable poverty figures obscure a burgeoning group of people who, due to the crisis, have fallen on hard times. In 2012, nearly one in seven Belgians10 had to make ends meet with a monthly income that was lower than the official poverty threshold (€1,000 for a single person or €2,101 for a couple with two children). https://www-cdn.oxfam.org/s3fs-public/file_attachments/cs-true-cost-austerity-inequality-belgium-120913-en_0.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, vinny41 said: maybe not in your area According to the EU Statistics on Income and Living Conditions (EU-SILC) 2010 survey, 15.3 per cent of Belgium’s population in 2011 was at risk of falling into poverty (in Flemish-speaking Flanders, the wealthiest region in Belgium, this was 9.8 per cent, whereas in Wallonia, a poor French-speaking region this was 19.2 per cent).9 These relatively stable poverty figures obscure a burgeoning group of people who, due to the crisis, have fallen on hard times. In 2012, nearly one in seven Belgians10 had to make ends meet with a monthly income that was lower than the official poverty threshold (€1,000 for a single person or €2,101 for a couple with two children). https://www-cdn.oxfam.org/s3fs-public/file_attachments/cs-true-cost-austerity-inequality-belgium-120913-en_0.pdf ok, fair enough. Don't want to argue further on. On the net one can find what one wants, data from any time / any particular situation. And usually one believe what one has decide to believe. This count also for me. We read here catastrophic outcomes for the E.U. and the U.K.. I believe that for both, it won't be that easy, many problems will occur, I am however confident that we both will manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kwasaki Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Close these threads is it over and all done the remainers have lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Kwasaki said: Close these threads is it over and all done the remainers have lost. Would be quick followed up by new topic : "Brexit ...The aftermath disaster " ???? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 minute ago, david555 said: Would be quick followed up by new topic : "Brexit ...The aftermath disaster " ???? Says the worried bloke moving back to his beloved EU.......???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, transam said: Says the worried bloke moving back to his beloved EU.......???? No Trans ...no Transam bickering bait i put my foot in today....???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 minute ago, david555 said: No Trans ...no Transam bickering bait i put my foot in today....???? You put your foot in bait....Hmmmm, the fishing forum for you.....???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 ( Anyone with Spanish Hacienda here ...? it seems the Spanish take also controle of their country ... ???? ) https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/property/1381261/brexit-news-property-abroad-spain-holiday-homes-tax-EU-country-Europe Brexit property: Britons with Spanish holiday homes dealt unexpected tax bill BRITONS with holiday homes in Spain now face higher tax bills after the UK left the European Union (EU), according to a leading tax firm. By MILLIE BULL PUBLISHED: 07:01, Sat, Jan 9, 2021 | UPDATED: 07:34, Sat, Jan 9, 2021 The UK officially left the EU on December 31, bringing the lengthy transition period to an end. Homeowners with property abroad were undoubtedly concerned that the UK’s departure from the EU could have an impact on how they pay taxes and purchase property abroad. One concern was whether property taxes for Britons or non-EU owners in European countries could be increased. And this could be the case according to a leading tax advisory firm. Partner at leading tax advisory firm Blick Rothenberg, Robert Pullen explained that from January 1, UK owners with property in Spain could suffer bigger tax rate on income. He said: “From January 1, 2021, UK-based owners of Spanish real estate will suffer a 24 percent tax rate on income, after the previous 19 percent tax rate expired when the transition period ended on December 31. “This is a swingeing increase of over a quarter.” Mr Pullen said this is due to the fact the UK is now seen as a non-EU country. However, a higher tax rate is not the only aspect Britons may have to contend with. According to Mr Pullen, the Spanish tax authorities will no longer allow any expenses to be deducted which means gross income will be taxed. “This could be a huge increase, disproportionate to any real profit made,” he added. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 So Spain will increase taxes on revenue from foreign owned properties, seems fair, after all better to encourage locals to invest in property for holiday letting. If there are more profitable opportunities the market will move elsewhere. or perhaps raise rental prices ???? hopefully not pricing Spain out of the market ???? One thing I like about Thailand are the limits on overseas 'ownership' good for the Thai people 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, 473geo said: So Spain will increase taxes on revenue from foreign owned properties, seems fair, after all better to encourage locals to invest in property for holiday letting. If there are more profitable opportunities the market will move elsewhere. or perhaps raise rental prices ???? hopefully not pricing Spain out of the market ???? One thing I like about Thailand are the limits on overseas 'ownership' good for the Thai people Applies to Brits that are not residents in Spain and rent their properties out This means that British second-homeowners who aren’t officially residents in Spain after December 31st 2020 will be treated the same as American, Russian, Chinese and any other third-country property owners who don’t have fiscal residence in an EU country. Daily Express is not known for providing details I think their headlines writers were transferred from their sister rag Daily Star https://www.agenciatributaria.es/AEAT.internet/en_gb/Inicio/La_Agencia_Tributaria/Campanas/BREXIT/_Consecuencias_del_Brexit_en_el_Impuesto_sobre_la_Renta_de_no_Residentes_/_Consecuencias_del_Brexit_en_el_Impuesto_sobre_la_Renta_de_no_Residentes_.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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