vinny41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, placeholder said: So vaccinating a population properly belongs in the realm of business and not public health? The guiding principle should be first come first served and not the best way to save the most lives? Where a business is faced with a demand that exceed's supply the business should supply on 1st come 1st served if you have booked a plane ticket to Thailand should the Airline kick you off because I am bigger than you or willing to pay more 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, vinny41 said: Where a business is faced with a demand that exceed's supply the business should supply on 1st come 1st served if you have booked a plane ticket to Thailand should the Airline kick you off because I am bigger than you or willing to pay more Comparing airline ticket with life saving vaccines ....????????... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, david555 said: I updated my original post now ...the best news is in the updated ....links included as i know you like that .???? https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1390237/EU-vaccine-row-UK-latest-Brussels-AstraZeneca-factory-Belgium-Ursula-von-der-Leyen it was from the article that you quoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, david555 said: Dont reply so stupid ... I think you should improve your written English, before accusing others of being stupid, particularly as you obviously don't understand what you yourself have written. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1390254/Boris-Johnson-news-cave-eu-covid-vaccine-latest-AstraZeneca-oxford-uk-Pfizer-jab-row Boris to cave to EU: No10 hints Britain could ship Covid jabs to Brussels bloc next month BRITAIN could start shipping Covid jabs to the EU as early next month, the Prime Minister's official spokesman has hinted. By Dan Falvey, Political Correspondent 13:01, Thu, Jan 28, 2021 | UPDATED: 14:23, Thu, Jan Edited January 28, 2021 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, david555 said: Comparing airline ticket with life saving vaccines ....????????... That was an example if you prefer You are book in for a heart operation that you have been waiting months for at the last moment Hospital contacts you sorry David someone who is more important needs to take your booking 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tofer said: I think you should improve your written English, before accusing others of being stupid, particularly as you obviously don't understand what you yourself have written. Language gestapo is against forum rules ..link master ???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, david555 said: https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1390254/Boris-Johnson-news-cave-eu-covid-vaccine-latest-AstraZeneca-oxford-uk-Pfizer-jab-row Boris to cave to EU: No10 hints Britain could ship Covid jabs to Brussels bloc next month BRITAIN could start shipping Covid jabs to the EU as early next month, the Prime Minister's official spokesman has hinted. By Dan Falvey, Political Correspondent 13:01, Thu, Jan 28, 2021 | UPDATED: 14:23, Thu, Jan And when you get past reading the headline you find the complete opposite to the headline This afternoon No10 appeared to have caved to pressure from the EU when a Downing Street official declined to rule out the possibility of UK vaccines being sent to the EU before every adult in Britain had been offered a jab. The Prime Minister's spokesman refused to rule out UK supplies could be sent to the continent as early as the middle of next month. When pressed whether jabs could be redirected he would only commit to ensuring the top four priority groups for vaccination have been given a jab by February 15. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1390254/Boris-Johnson-news-cave-eu-covid-vaccine-latest-AstraZeneca-oxford-uk-Pfizer-jab-row 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, vinny41 said: And when you get past reading the headline you find the complete opposite to the headline This afternoon No10 appeared to have caved to pressure from the EU when a Downing Street official declined to rule out the possibility of UK vaccines being sent to the EU before every adult in Britain had been offered a jab. The Prime Minister's spokesman refused to rule out UK supplies could be sent to the continent as early as the middle of next month. When pressed whether jabs could be redirected he would only commit to ensuring the top four priority groups for vaccination have been given a jab by February 15. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1390254/Boris-Johnson-news-cave-eu-covid-vaccine-latest-AstraZeneca-oxford-uk-Pfizer-jab-row Yeah ...Express is always contradicting themselves ...or maybe to play safe talk with double tongue...???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, david555 said: Language gestapo is against forum rules ..link master So are insults... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, david555 said: Yeah ...Express is always contradicting themselves ...or maybe to play safe talk with double tongue...???? Daily Express has headline writers where their job is to produce sensational headlines most times the headlines don't correspond with the actually article but they don'r care their job is to produce sensational headlines 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, vinny41 said: Daily Express has headline writers where their job is to produce sensational headlines most times the headlines don't correspond with the actually article but they don'r care their job is to produce sensational headlines Well that could be an excellent job for an blond Ex Pm ....head editor from Express ...he really would feel home in that position ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, vinny41 said: Sounds like the EU wants it cake and eat it It wants AstraZeneca to publish the vaccine contract between AstraZeneca and the UK but doesn't want the contract published between AstraZeneca and the EU Is the EU prepared to published the Contract between AstraZeneca and the EU Ooops! My mistake! I did not pay attention it was about the UK contract! About the EU contract, as far as I understand, there is no disagreement about what is actually written in the contract. AstraZeneca's argument is that it is a best effort clause does not mean a commitment to deliver vaccines on time. The best effort clause is not denied by the EU. The disagreement between AZ and the EU is whether the best effort has been made or not, and whether the explanation given is valid. Hence the inspection of AZ plants in Europe in order to check it. https://www.politico.eu/article/astrazeneca-best-efforts-defense-coronavirus-vaccine-fallout/ I also did not find that the statement that UK sites have been stipulated as primary sites has been contradicted by AZ (up to my knowledge). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phulublub Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Frankly this is pathetic on both sides. The EU want AZ to provide a vaccine they have not yet authorised for use. To insist "now" is the same as "best effort" is nonsense. The UK are insisting that the first 100 million doses produced in UK are for UK. But the first AZ doses used inthe UK were manufactured in...the EU. The UK has also ordered way more than it can reasonably use immediately. What are they going to do with the excess? Sit on it while others wait? Meanwhile less fortunate, developed or rich Counties cannot yet get any meaningful amounts of vaccine at all. Utter willy waving madness all round PH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Phulublub said: Frankly this is pathetic on both sides. The EU want AZ to provide a vaccine they have not yet authorised for use. To insist "now" is the same as "best effort" is nonsense. The UK are insisting that the first 100 million doses produced in UK are for UK. But the first AZ doses used inthe UK were manufactured in...the EU. The UK has also ordered way more than it can reasonably use immediately. What are they going to do with the excess? Sit on it while others wait?W Meanwhile less fortunate, developed or rich Counties cannot yet get any meaningful amounts of vaccine at all. Utter willy waving madness all round PH Well if it 2 doses per person that 100 million doses will go very quickly On the face of it, the EU has locked in far more vaccines than it needs: the European commission has secured a portfolio of more than 2.3bn doses, which is more than five times the EU’s 450 million population https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/27/eu-vaccine-bust-up-astrazeneca If 2 doses are applied to the EU 450 million people that equals 900 million doses what are they planning to do with the remaining 1.4 million doses 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phulublub Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, vinny41 said: Well if it 2 doses per person that 100 million doses will go very quickly On the face of it, the EU has locked in far more vaccines than it needs: the European commission has secured a portfolio of more than 2.3bn doses, which is more than five times the EU’s 450 million population https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/27/eu-vaccine-bust-up-astrazeneca If 2 doses are applied to the EU 450 million people that equals 900 million doses what are they planning to do with the remaining 1.4 million doses Can't find the article now, but the 100 mill AZ initialoutput was just that...pluas they have Pfzier and Moderna as well...both UK and EU (and US and Canada) are hogging way more supply than they need....shameful. PH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kingdong Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 9 hours ago, candide said: A BBC article mentions the EU arguments: - the UK sites were stipulated as primary sites in the contract - the money paid in advance went into UK sites. "In a nutshell, here is why EU officials are furious with AstraZeneca. They say the contract between them and the pharmaceutical giant clearly stipulates that the two main vaccine production factories in the UK are to be classed as primary manufacturing sites, and the production sites in Belgium and the Netherlands are secondary priorities." "In fact, EU officials point out to me that EU money went into upgrading the facilities in the UK and that they fully expected it to be operational for them." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55822602 "Eu " money?what a fraction of what we paid in? Your eu should have put all their energies into safeguarding its citizens like boris did,no good whingeing after the event and blaming the uk.having my vaccine jab this weekend. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kingdong Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Phulublub said: Can't find the article now, but the 100 mill AZ initialoutput was just that...pluas they have Pfzier and Moderna as well...both UK and EU (and US and Canada) are hogging way more supply than they need....shameful. PH The eu dosen,t seem to be handling this vaccine situation very well. Edited January 28, 2021 by kingdong 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, vinny41 said: Well if it 2 doses per person that 100 million doses will go very quickly On the face of it, the EU has locked in far more vaccines than it needs: the European commission has secured a portfolio of more than 2.3bn doses, which is more than five times the EU’s 450 million population https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/27/eu-vaccine-bust-up-astrazeneca If 2 doses are applied to the EU 450 million people that equals 900 million doses what are they planning to do with the remaining 1.4 million doses How long will the effects of the vaccine last?perhaps it,ll need to be administeted. Annualy,better safe than sorry,who dares wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPapillon Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Supply has officially run out in France, no more vaccine for the coming weeks ????♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 hours ago, david555 said: https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1390254/Boris-Johnson-news-cave-eu-covid-vaccine-latest-AstraZeneca-oxford-uk-Pfizer-jab-row Boris to cave to EU: No10 hints Britain could ship Covid jabs to Brussels bloc next month BRITAIN could start shipping Covid jabs to the EU as early next month, the Prime Minister's official spokesman has hinted. By Dan Falvey, Political Correspondent 13:01, Thu, Jan 28, 2021 | UPDATED: 14:23, Thu, Jan Whats the point? It,ll take months to get through the way the eu customs officials are performing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said: Supply has officially run out in France, no more vaccine for the coming weeks ????♂️ That is sad and I hope they get some soon. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said: Supply has officially run out in France, no more vaccine for the coming weeks ????♂️ Sacre bleu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, kingdong said: Whats the point? It,ll take months to get through the way the eu customs officials are performing. As was said already, the EU hasn't even approved the AZ stuff yet. The hopeless EU Commission is under pressure and so trying to put on the illusion of being in control by resorting to their panic bullying tactics (again). Typical. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, nauseus said: As was said already, the EU hasn't even approved the AZ stuff yet. The hopeless EU Commission is under pressure and so trying to put on the illusion of being in control by resorting to their panic bullying tactics (again). Typical. No they let the uk do that while they sat and scratched theirselves.how long before the eu,s citizens realise what a shower they,ve got ruling them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 25 minutes ago, kingdong said: "Eu " money?what a fraction of what we paid in? Your eu should have put all their energies into safeguarding its citizens like boris did,no good whingeing after the event and blaming the uk.having my vaccine jab this weekend. I don't know the price paid, but the downpayment was not ridiculous. AstraZeneca nets $396M down payment from EU for 300M-plus COVID vaccines https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/az-nets-396m-downpayment-for-300m-plus-eu-vaccine-doses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kingdong Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 12 hours ago, david555 said: Oh , my option would be what is produced in U.K. is U.K.'s own ...., But if E.U. has to protect his citizens and can not have enough vaccine .... at least they should seal the borders for any U.K. passage except for those who wish to go back to their respective country , as then E .U. has to protect 100% sealed of from that nasty U.K. Corona mutated one , .... by 100 % sealing of borders i mean ALL transport possibility's including Ferry's and the Channel rail , as that is our only defense until enough vaccine available ..... on E.U. soil any vaccine can be confiscated / seizable , based on health risk for population call it self defense...or preservation of population ! And perhaps the eu should seal its borders and stop all the migrants setting off to the uk,we didn,t want schengen,thats why we voted to leave. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, candide said: I don't know the price paid, but the downpayment was not ridiculous. AstraZeneca nets $396M down payment from EU for 300M-plus COVID vaccines https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/az-nets-396m-downpayment-for-300m-plus-eu-vaccine-doses I didn,t word my post very well,what i meant was the uk was paying into the eu at the time of the eu payment to astra zeneca and as you pointed out the down payment was not ridiculous.in any event perhaps the eu should have ordered in advance its requirement of vaccine as the uk did instead of sitting on the fence,i understand the vaccine still hasn,t been cleared by the eu?please correct me if i,m wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkcanuck8 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, kingdong said: I didn,t word my post very well,what i meant was the uk was paying into the eu at the time of the eu payment to astra zeneca and as you pointed out the down payment was not ridiculous.in any event perhaps the eu should have ordered in advance its requirement of vaccine as the uk did instead of sitting on the fence,i understand the vaccine still hasn,t been cleared by the eu?please correct me if i,m wrong. It is not yet approved, but not being approved does not mean it cannot be ordered / delivered to the customer (which is the EU)... In effect if you were not allowed to order -- then what is the point of preordering or contractng or even subsidizing vaccine development costs. (pre-order is basically a subsidy in this case) Edited January 28, 2021 by bkkcanuck8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkcanuck8 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 hours ago, vinny41 said: Well if it 2 doses per person that 100 million doses will go very quickly On the face of it, the EU has locked in far more vaccines than it needs: the European commission has secured a portfolio of more than 2.3bn doses, which is more than five times the EU’s 450 million population https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/27/eu-vaccine-bust-up-astrazeneca If 2 doses are applied to the EU 450 million people that equals 900 million doses what are they planning to do with the remaining 1.4 million doses It has ordered an excess because there are no guarantees on any vaccines (when you order before testing results are in) and as per commitment they will also be distributing drugs outside of EU borders to less developed countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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