UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[robblok]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well that is progress. As you have clearly stated many times English is not your first language.  I don't understand some of your posts but I get that one. ????

Actually it was perfectly understandable. Maybe your a bit bias when you read posts.

 

He says that he does not believe the EU is corrupt but shows a guardian article that says it corrupt. Just to show what kind of B.S. newspaper the guardian is and that its information is not to be trusted. Maybe its you who is mistaken.

 

 

[Rimmer]

An off topic troll post has been removed also replies

[ivor bigun]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Actually it was perfectly understandable. Maybe your a bit bias when you read posts.

 

He says that he does not believe the EU is corrupt but shows a guardian article that says it corrupt. Just to show what kind of B.S. newspaper the guardian is and that its information is not to be trusted. Maybe its you who is mistaken.

 

 

 Who reads and listens to anything the begging bowl Guardian says ,

[ivor bigun]

All i can really say is at last WE ARE FREE OF THE SCROUNGING E.U.it was run by Germany with the French and the rest yapping at their heels.

[sandyf]

20 hours ago, vinny41 said:

However, in a no deal scenario, countries like Brazil and Argentina will have equal access into the UK beef market. 

 

You may think that is a good thing but some of us remember differently. It wasn't all bad, because got 2 weeks extra leave because I had been to Aberdeen.

 

In 1964, Aberdeen was locked-down when a tin of corned beef led to hundreds developing the deadly typhoid fever.

As people in the north retire into self-isolation amid the coronavirus pandemic, the comparisons between the drama unfolding today and scenes witnessed in Aberdeen in the summer of 1964 grow stronger by the day.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen/2088739/aberdeens-1964-typhoid-outbreak-school-closures-medical-isolation-and-travel-bans-have-been-weathered-before/

[sandyf]

18 hours ago, vinny41 said:

 

The reach link doesn't cover your post "what I understood is that British labs cannot certify goods sold in the EU anymore : British industries will have to ask a European Lab for the testing and certification of their products"

That is quite correct, the CE mark belongs to the EU and the Notified Bodies that were operating in the UK on behalf of the EU were closed down when the UK left the EU. 

A CE certificate can only be obtained from a laboratory operating within the EU, which has always been the case.

[luckyluke]

21 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

All i can really say is at last WE ARE FREE OF THE SCROUNGING E.U.it was run by Germany with the French and the rest yapping at their heels.

It had always been the opinion from some in Europe that the E.U. was run by Germany,  the United  Kingdom, and France ( May somewhere be logical, these 3 countries having the biggest GDP )

The United Kingdom having left, those believe that it is now of course  only France & Germany which are the ones ruling. 

[stevenl]

41 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

All i can really say is at last WE ARE FREE OF THE SCROUNGING E.U.it was run by Germany with the French and the rest yapping at their heels.

Glad to hear you're happy.

[sandyf]

8 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The EU presidents as I clearly mentioned. When did you get to vote directly those people...

Now tell me when you voted directly for Boris Johnson to be Prime Minister, you didn't, but paranoia clouds the vision on similarity.

 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

For a start i never held the view HMG were enslaved to the EU. As had other EU members, UK could reject / renegotiate T&Cs and dealt with the consequences if they couldn't reach agreement on a particular matter as does any other nation. After all is said, parliament are the decision makers for UK law, I understand there are many laws enacted in the UK to facilitate relations on numerous issues with the EU and are still in place including ongoing requirements to comply with EU standards. Is the UK 'free' of the EU?  - nope.

 

I am unaware HMG could not trade with anyone they wished whilst a member of the EU, can you point to the legislation agreed to by HMG supporting this claim?

 

Christmas codswallop. Like a joke in a cracker.

[vinny41]

40 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You may think that is a good thing but some of us remember differently. It wasn't all bad, because got 2 weeks extra leave because I had been to Aberdeen.

 

In 1964, Aberdeen was locked-down when a tin of corned beef led to hundreds developing the deadly typhoid fever.

As people in the north retire into self-isolation amid the coronavirus pandemic, the comparisons between the drama unfolding today and scenes witnessed in Aberdeen in the summer of 1964 grow stronger by the day.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen/2088739/aberdeens-1964-typhoid-outbreak-school-closures-medical-isolation-and-travel-bans-have-been-weathered-before/

Europe's tainted food scandals

Public confidence in food safety in Europe has again been undermined by a growing insecticide-tainted egg scandal.

Following are some of the food scares from beef, pork and chicken to Coca-Cola, that have dented consumer confidence in Europe over the past four decades.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-08-europe-tainted-food-scandals.html#:~:text=Public confidence in food safety,over the past four decades.

 

The Scots need to be careful about what they eat if they want to join the EU

[rumak]

On 12/25/2020 at 6:09 AM, luckyluke said:

The man in the street in Europe had never a word to say in this Brexit thing, so we will also accept the outcome. 

We would had to accept any outcome anyway. 

 

Now wait & see, what all this, will change concretely in the daily life of the man in the street in the U.K. and Europe. 

 

yes,  sadly the one bargaining chip which might have helped the common Brit :  free and immediate dental care ,

was cast into the sea like a Flock o' sparrers 

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

I am well aware EU FTAs and other agreements are accessible for all member states, but not that a member state cannot trade outside of EU arrangements. You made the claim UK was not able to trade with other nations without EU agreement, which i do not believe. It's forum etiquette to back up a claim with credible link, if you're unable to do so just say so, rather than playing silly games. 

The EU does have a centralised trade policy but it does allow trade with virtually every country in the world. If there is a problem it is usually for good reason such as human rights. The UK has been trading with countries like US,India,China, without any EU trade agreement in place.

The UK has a particular problem with this arrangement due to the level of arms trade, they want to sell weapons whether the EU agrees or not.

 

"International trade was one of the first sectors in which Member States agreed to pool their sovereignty. As a consequence, they mandated the Commission to handle trade matters, including negotiating international trade agreements, on their behalf. In other words the EU, acting as a single entity, negotiates, on behalf of all its Member States, both bilateral and multilateral trade agreements. "

 

"The EU has traditionally favoured an open and fair international trading system. It has worked strenuously to ensure the integration of all countries into the world economy, including through the progressive abolition of restrictions on international trade."

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/160/the-european-union-and-its-trade-partners

[sandyf]

10 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The Scots need to be careful about what they eat if they want to join the EU

What happened to the virtues of SA beef.

Of course the Scots have no idea what it is like being in the EU.

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

What happened to the virtues of SA beef.

Of course the Scots have no idea what it is like being in the EU.

I am sure plenty of people eat SA beef and many people from the EU will be eating more SA beef as a result of the FTA agreement

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

All i can really say is at last WE ARE FREE OF THE SCROUNGING E.U.it was run by Germany with the French and the rest yapping at their heels.

Yes, the UK joined a union and the English exercised their right to reclaim sovereignty and take back control.

Scotland was a sovereign nation that joined a union, it is now time for Scotland to exercise that same right to freedom.

[GrandPapillon]

This is a daily reminder that the UK has surrendered to the EU demands ????

 

all further discussions are pure non-sense speculation ????

 

We won, vive EU

[Hi from France]

In case anybody still cares about the treaty, the EU released it 

 

https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/rep/1/2020/EN/COM-2020-857-F1-EN-ANNEX-1-PART-1.PDF

 

Another thing of note is the unprecedented transparency of these negotiations. Another master stroke of the EU negotiating team 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

Christmas codswallop. Like a joke in a cracker.

We obviously disagree. HMG has always been free to make decisions, just as they have with compromises with Brexit T&Cs

[7by7]

23 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Irish beef may potentially have to compete directly with South American beef' - analyst

However, in a no deal scenario, countries like Brazil and Argentina will have equal access into the UK beef market. 

"Until now they were priced out by the EU external tariff policy, making their beef uncompetitive. 

"However, South American countries have a significantly lower cost of production than the UK and Ireland. 

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/irish-beef-may-potentially-have-to-compete-directly-with-south-american-beef-analyst-37946288.html

 

If South Americian beef has been priced out by the EU external tariff policy, making their beef uncompetitive

that is a Protection racket to artificially keep EU internal market products  prices high

 

I see, so having been challenged for not doing what you demand others do, the evidence you have belatedly supplied to support your assertion that the EU is running a protection racket is that the EU apply tariffs to imports of beef from South America!

 

Guess what; they apply tariffs to other imports from countries with which they do not have a free trade agreement as well.

 

As do all countries and trading blocs throughout the world.

 

Do you seriously expect the UK to not do the same? Do you seriously expect Truss and her boss to  to throw open the UK to tariff free imports from all over the world?

 

The words "straws" and "clutching" immediately sprung to mind when reading your reply!

[bannork]

[7by7]

21 hours ago, vinny41 said:

If your are unable or unwilling to  provide a link to support your post , your claim should be considered suspect or misleading

 Says someone who only supplied a link, and a dubious one at that, when challenged!

[vinny41]

13 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Says someone who only supplied a link, and a dubious one at that, when challenged!

99% of my posts contain a link when quoting from media sources , what % of your posts contain a link when quoting from media sources

And please inform everyone why you think the Irish independent is a dubious source

Edited December 26, 2020 by vinny41
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[Laughing Gravy]

7 hours ago, robblok said:

Actually it was perfectly understandable. Maybe your a bit bias when you read posts.

 

He says that he does not believe the EU is corrupt but shows a guardian article that says it corrupt. Just to show what kind of B.S. newspaper the guardian is and that its information is not to be trusted. Maybe its you who is mistaken.

 

 

You don't need to hold his hand we got there. I did not understand his post at the beginning but we got there. so a pointless post really.

[Laughing Gravy]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Now tell me when you voted directly for Boris Johnson to be Prime Minister, you didn't, but paranoia clouds the vision on similarity.

 

Really you are trying to equate that to the EU 5 presidents. . I voted for the conservatives who he is leader. If he is still leader at the next election I can vote for another party.  You trying to make them the same  is well quite hilarious.

[Laughing Gravy]

7 hours ago, simple1 said:

It's forum etiquette to back up a claim with credible link, if you're unable to do so just say so, rather than playing silly games.

The clue was "I am going out". Did you get that, so no playing silly games. I will get back to you when I feel like but read the post, as it will save some embarrassment.

[7by7]

18 hours ago, overherebc said:

Not sure if they will re-think the idea on visas for those who own a place in the EU and do 6/6 months. As someone mentioned earlier on maybe 3/3/3/3 months or some kind of different visa.

 

The UK has made an arrangement for EU nationals already living here to apply for and obtain permanent residency, and EU states have done the same for UK nationals already living there.

 

But as we are no longer party to the FoM directive, I see no reason why from 1/1/21 UK tourists who own holiday homes in the EU should be treated any differently from other non EU/EEA nationalities; i.e. maximum of 90 days in any 180 days in a Schengen state, whatever the appropriate rule is for others.

 

The same, of course, for EU national tourists visiting the UK who will from 1/1/21 be treated under the UK's immigration rules.

 

As I understand it, UK nationals will not need to obtain a visa in advance to visit EU/EEA states as tourists and vice versa.

[7by7]

26 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

99% of my posts contain a link when quoting from media sources , what % of your posts contain a link when quoting from media sources

And please inform everyone why you think the Irish independent is a dubious source

 

I always supply a link when quoting from the media or other sources; so 100%.

 

I did not mean that the Irish Independent was a dubious source; I meant that the information contained within your link was a dubious justification of your claim that the EU operates a protection racket; for the reasons I have already stated.

 

But I wonder why you have never asked a similar question of those Brexiteers who regularly make similar assertions about media sources such as The Guardian and BBC!

[overherebc]

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

The UK has made an arrangement for EU nationals already living here to apply for and obtain permanent residency, and EU states have done the same for UK nationals already living there.

 

But as we are no longer party to the FoM directive, I see no reason why from 1/1/21 UK tourists who own holiday homes in the EU should be treated any differently from other non EU/EEA nationalities; i.e. maximum of 90 days in any 180 days in a Schengen state, whatever the appropriate rule is for others.

 

The same, of course, for EU national tourists visiting the UK who will from 1/1/21 be treated under the UK's immigration rules.

 

As I understand it, UK nationals will not need to obtain a visa in advance to visit EU/EEA states as tourists and vice versa.

Think you've mixed up post and poster

 

[7by7]

10 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Think you've mixed up post and poster

 

 

See my following post over the page.

Edited December 26, 2020 by 7by7