'It's insurrection,' Biden says, as Trump supporters storm U.S. Capitol

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, toolpush said:

What democracy? America was founded as a republic.

The two are NOT mutually exclusive.

 

Democratic Republic. Banana Republic.

 

See how that works?

Edited January 7, 2021 by mikebike

[Walker88]

Pence can join the Cabinet and invoke the 25th Amendment, removing 45 from power. 45 can contest and claim he isn't incapacitated, but there is a 4 day waiting period where the VP remains in control and 45 does not have Presidential authority. Thus, he cannot fire all of the Cabinet members who voted to remove him.

 

Ideally an independent and bipartisan group of mental health professionals should then be called in to assess 45's mental state.

 

If 4 days pass and 45 somehow regains power, pence can immediately invoke the 25th again, gaining a new 4 days.

[Walker88]

Bellingcat has accumulated video footage from multiple sources of the terrorists who stormed the Capitol today and will be doxxing all of them. The terrorists committed felonies, so law enforcement will then be able to round them up, charge them, and if found guilty, they will lose the right to own or possess firearms. Bellingcat will also gather registration records at DC area hotels and then match against faces in the Capitol.

 

The new AG, as well as the FBI, is going to be very busy.

[J Town]

Insurrection in America - AP released this photo:

 

 

[mikebike]

38 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

Not going to happen.  Just watch.

I’ve heard 3 independent military/security professionals disagree with you...

 

Time will tell.

[Berkshire]

3 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Pence can join the Cabinet and invoke the 25th Amendment, removing 45 from power. 45 can contest and claim he isn't incapacitated, but there is a 4 day waiting period where the VP remains in control and 45 does not have Presidential authority. Thus, he cannot fire all of the Cabinet members who voted to remove him.

 

Ideally an independent and bipartisan group of mental health professionals should then be called in to assess 45's mental state.

 

If 4 days pass and 45 somehow regains power, pence can immediately invoke the 25th again, gaining a new 4 days.

Interesting.  Trump may just fire Pence after he announces Biden's victory and install some lackey...like that total nutjob Lin Wood.  I wouldn't put it pass Trump to do something batsht crazy in these last two weeks. 

[J Town]

Qanon leader standing in the chambers where Pence had just been sitting, I'm sure the seat was still warm. This should never have been allowed, considering how much advance notice 45 had tweeted:

 

 

[ChouDoufu]

1 minute ago, Berkshire said:

Interesting.  Trump may just fire Pence after he announces Biden's victory and install some lackey...like that total nutjob Lin Wood.  I wouldn't put it pass Trump to do something batsht crazy in these last two weeks. 

 

the president can fire an elected vice president?

 

he might try, he might tell his followers he did, but no, he can not.

 

 

[J Town]

Just now, ChouDoufu said:

the president can fire an elected vice president?

he might try, he might tell his followers he did, but no, he can not.

 

This is the limit of 45 removing Pence:

 

S4. 1.1 Impeachment and Removal from Office: Overview. Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

 

Bottom line, Pence's position is secure for the next few weeks then it's AMF!

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

LOL the stock market is UP.. investors must think best thing for business is to just not have a govt.

The stock market is up because investors assume an end to gridlock on an infrastructure bill and the relaxation of trade restrictions.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

People are following the Constitution in challenging electors and you and others are calling them out as seditious for attempting a "legislative" coup?

 

In nearly 150 years, Electoral College votes have been objected to four separate times, three of which were in the last 20 years and all four times Electoral College votes have been objected by Democrats.

What were you saying about "brainwashed sheeple?"

A brainwashed sheeple is someone who doesn't see storming the capital with the intent to overturn a legitimate, legal election result as sedition.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

King George III in 1776 thought of American patriots the same way you think of American patriots today.  No different.  Lots of people in America during that time who sided with the British.  All depends on what side of the fence you're on.  Or, to put it another way, it's simply a matter of perspective.  Granted, one perspective in this case is seriously out of whack.

Sedition isn't patriotic.

[heybruce]

40 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

A well-known QAnon influencer dubbed the 'Q Shaman' played a highly visible role in the Capitol siege

 

This is one of the terrorist leaders. Say a lot about the followers....a lot!

 

Trump not only hires the best people (who then get convicted and go to prison), he also attracts the best followers.

[Lacessit]

49 minutes ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

I do believe that a lot of the people who stormed the Capital Hill building will be arrested

and charged, because of the people who work there got very affected by today's events,.

Joe Biden is the only one who has been saying how this was wrong in so many ways.

  And Trump did not ever tell his supporters to go home and quit their BS. He continued

to say how he was cheated in this election, and therefore, Trump

should be held totally responsible for all of todays situation. I think that even Pence will

say a few things differently in the future.

Geezer

Trump's Twitter and Facebook accounts have been suspended. His Twitter account until he takes down three tweets, Facebook for 24 hours. Be better if they shut him up permanently.

IMO he should be arrested and charged with sedition, I'm sure Harris would like to. Already there are rumblings about a second impeachment.

[cmarshall]

11 minutes ago, mikebike said:

I’ve heard 3 independent military/security professionals disagree with you...

 

Time will tell.

 

Those people won't be making the decisions.  I give it more than a 50% chance that Trump simply pardons them all.

[FritsSikkink]

6 hours ago, impulse said:

 

 

It's not insurrection.  It's a protest.  Kind of like the ones that went on every night for weeks (months?) in some cities.  In fact, this one seemed pretty benign in comparison, with no burnt cars, buildings or destroyed businesses.

 

I don't support them, but I'm pleased that our elected representatives are getting a taste of real life and the consequences of the conditions they create.  Like the poor folks in Washington state put up with for months on end. 

 

Maybe now, they'll do something about it.

 

Storming a government building with armed forces and forcefully stopping a legal procedure to form a new government isn't a protest.

It I treason.

[Pique Dard]

the usa are the democracy beacon! that what we saw at the capitol, i gues!

luckily enough the 3 pipe bombs  trump's worshipers left in the  building failed to go off. 
now remember 2/28/1933 in germany! that is the day hitler's worshipers  torched the parliament. is there any difference between the americain president and the german fürher? i just wonder

[Salerno]

DC Mayor ...

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I have issued Mayor’s Order 2021-003, extending the public emergency declared earlier today for a total of 15 days, until and unless provided for by further Mayoral Order.

Source: https://www.kron4.com/news/national/d-c-mayor-extends-public-emergency-for-15-days-following-violent-protests/

 

 

Edited January 7, 2021 by Maestro
Added link to the source

[ChrisY1]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump's Twitter and Facebook accounts have been suspended. His Twitter account until he takes down three tweets, Facebook for 24 hours. Be better if they shut him up permanently.

IMO he should be arrested and charged with sedition, I'm sure Harris would like to. Already there are rumblings about a second impeachment.

It will be interesting after the inauguration of Biden, to see just what court actions will take place. Hopefully, and importantly, Trump should face insurrection charges over this fiasco....then all the law suits awaiting him for his bad business dealings. 10 years would see him gone!

[Jeffr2]

24 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

Ahh- FAKE NOOS. I was highlighting ONE particular situation in which the cops did their job and de-escalated it. I have not condoned any acts of violence. Its a sad day for America, 

 

Keep holding to your agenda though.

Typical.  Label anything you don't like as fake news. 

 

The protesters should be arrested.  If they were BLM, they should be arrested if doing the same thing.  That's my agenda. 

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, heybruce said:

A brainwashed sheeple is someone who doesn't see storming the capital with the intent to overturn a legitimate, legal election result as sedition.

Storming the capitol was not part of the discussion and had nothing to do with it.  You're the 3rd poster who has tried to change the focus of the discussion to something entirely unrelated.

[mikebike]

6 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

Those people won't be making the decisions.  I give it more than a 50% chance that Trump simply pardons them all.

Well those goalposts moved.

 

First they won’t be arrested. Now they will be pardoned.

[herfiehandbag]

19 minutes ago, J Town said:

Qanon leader standing in the chambers where Pence had just been sitting, I'm sure the seat was still warm. This should never have been allowed, considering how much advance notice 45 had tweeted:

 

 

Whether or not he is a "Shaman" or a conspiracy theory nutter, he is certainly a remarkably strange fellow, or as Mr Trump might say "fine people"!

 

What a terrible thing to have happened to the USA's democracy.

 

If by some chance he ends up in jail for these antics, will he be allowed into the exercise yard when there is a full moon so that he can howl at it? It would after all be a legitimate expression of his social and political beliefs...

Edited January 7, 2021 by herfiehandbag

[newnative]

Disgusting.  Trump needs to be either brought up once again for impeachment or removed from office using Article 25.  

[cmarshall]

2 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Well those goalposts moved.

 

First they won’t be arrested. Now they will be pardoned.

To be clear, they won't be arrested and they will be pardoned.  There is no requirement to be charged or even arrested for a crime in order to receive a pardon.  Andrew Johnson pardoned virtually the whole Confederate Army who were neither arrested nor charged with any crime.

[ChouDoufu]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Storming the capitol was not part of the discussion and had nothing to do with it.  You're the 3rd poster who has tried to change the focus of the discussion to something entirely unrelated.

 

'It's insurrection,' Biden says, as Trump supporters storm U.S. Capitol

 

[J Town]

Just now, mikebike said:

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First they won’t be arrested. Now they will be pardoned.

Interesting thought. More than once 45 has told those at his rallies he would "pay their legal fees" for crimes committed on his behalf, and his recent pardon gush for absolute criminals (including murderers) would plant a seed in the back of the invaders' minds that they would be absolved of their sins if arrested.

[Salerno]

Breaking: 4 dead, 52 arrests.

[cmarshall]

Just now, J Town said:

Interesting thought. More than once 45 has told those at his rallies he would "pay their legal fees" for crimes committed on his behalf, and his recent pardon gush for absolute criminals (including murderers) would plant a seed in the back of the invaders' minds that they would be absolved of their sins if arrested.

 

I am waiting for Trump to pardon all 4,000 members of his administration, once he realizes that that is possible.  

[cmarshall]

Just now, Salerno said:

Breaking: 4 dead, 52 arrests.

link?