Well written commentary on the "tragic, treasonous horror show" the world just witnessed.

 

The Trump cult has blurred the lines between citizenship and fandom, with deadly results - The Washington Post

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The Trump cult has obliterated the line between citizenship and fandom, with deadly results

 

“Sleep well tonight, patriots . . . You are going to love how this movie ends.”

Those are the words of StormIsUponUs, who posted on Parler on Wednesday encouraging the hundreds of Donald Trump supporters who earlier that day had laid siege to the sanctum sanctorum of American democracy.

 

 

4 hours ago, Nout said:

the anger of ordinary people is just starting. 4 more years...

Are you still supporting trump's 'stop the steal' agitprop campaign, even though not one bit of fact checked evidence has been provided? Biden will be sworn in on 20/01/21, trump spent a lot of time during the last four years trying to erode presidential accountability and democratic institutions. It is long past due for people to cease the trump BS as some senior republicans have clearly stated and commence a collaborative healing. Due to trump's abject stupidity he will never hold Office again. trump's mealy mouthed words of condemnation of those attacking Capital Hill will not be believed. Quite possibly the fractured Republicans will not regain power for a considerable period of time.

 

 

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

How on earth were they allowed to get in? 

 

The protection of the Congress was assigned exclusively to the Capitol police who number 2,000.  The protesters appear to have numbered as many as 10,000 although some reports put the number at 40,000.  An unknown number of the protesters were armed.  The Capitol police had no riot gear and possibly no training in riot control.  The Trump administration refused to send in the DC National Guard immediately.  It took hours for National Guard troops from Maryland to arrive because the Acting Secretary of Defense refused to authorize their entry into DC.

 

That's how they were allowed to get in.  The Trump administration had not provided adequate protection unlike when Black Lives Matter marched at the Lincoln Memorial last summer.  On that occasion they had heavily armed troops shoulder to shoulder on the steps of the Memorial.  

 

The Trump administration stood down.

 

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Not good optics. However, let's be realistic - the USA will never convict a US President because of the stain it will make on the office. The office is bigger than politics. No pardon for these people.

 

I wouldn't bet on this. 45 has gone WAY beyond any norm of the office. Many in Congress (including some Rep's) feel he needs to be made an example of. And most CERTAINLY the SDNY is counting down the seconds to nail him for crimes no presidential pardon can protect him from.

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

How on earth were they allowed to get in? 

THAT is becoming a point of intense scrutiny. Foreign security is stating it was partially an inside job, an attempted coup.

5 hours ago, Nout said:

The security forces shot a middle aged white women dead at this demo.

The security forces did nothing during the summer of BLM and ANTIFA looting, arson and rioting. (I added emphasis)

Security forces did nothing? Maybe you have a Fox or Newsmax filter that blocks the violence perpetrated on peaceful protesters.

4 hours ago, bendejo said:

 

Obviously a man of peace.  He will be missed.

 

There will be plenty of idiots volunteering to take his place. Darwin award winners.

There's been talk about how the rioters weren't really a threat to anyone in the Capitol building. Actually some of them were. These were the parties carrying flexi-cuffs. The plastic zip ties used to bind peoples' wrists usually during mass arrests.

Here's a bit more about them:

"They were not dressed in silly costumes but kitted out in full paramilitary regalia: helmets, armor, camo, holsters with sidearms. At least one had a semi-automatic rifle and 11 Molotov cocktails. At least one, unlike nearly every other right-wing rioter photographed that day, wore a mask that obscured his face."

Was there a plan for hostages or killings at the Capitol? (slate.com)

6 hours ago, Nout said:

The security forces shot a middle aged white women dead at this demo.

The security forces did nothing during the summer of BLM and ANTIFA looting, arson and rioting.

Did nothing during BLM and Antifa protests?  Talk about a troll...

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

There's been talk about how the rioters weren't really a threat to anyone in the Capitol building. Actually some of them were. These were the parties carrying flexi-cuffs. The plastic zip ties used to bind peoples' wrists usually during mass arrests.

Here's a bit more about them:

"They were not dressed in silly costumes but kitted out in full paramilitary regalia: helmets, armor, camo, holsters with sidearms. At least one had a semi-automatic rifle and 11 Molotov cocktails. At least one, unlike nearly every other right-wing rioter photographed that day, wore a mask that obscured his face."

Was there a plan for hostages or killings at the Capitol? (slate.com)

3 pipe bombs were also found.  Lots of weapons, and people geared up for battle.  The planning for this attack had been going on for weeks.  Stunning how many nuts there are in the US.  Fueled by insane people like this:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/alex-jones-paid-rally-capitol-riot-b1784603.html

Alex Jones says he paid $500,000 for rally that led to Capitol riot

Mr Jones pushed the conspiracy theory that antifa was responsible for Trump supporters attacking the US Capitol

Hi, I'm Lonnie Leroy from Alabama and I'm here to help.

 

Alabama Man Charged With Possession of Eleven Molotov Cocktails Found Near Protest at U.S. Capitol

Authorities Also Found One Assault Rifle and Three Handguns

            WASHINGTON— Today, Acting U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin for the District of Columbia announced charges against an Alabama man that include one count of unlawful possession of a destructive device, and one count of carrying a pistol without a license.

 

            Lonnie Leroy Coffman, 70, of Falkville, Alabama, was arrested yesterday and charged in a criminal complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Coffman remains in custody pending a detention hearing scheduled for Tuesday, January 12.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/alabama-man-charged-possession-eleven-molotov-cocktails-found-near-protest-us-capitol

23 hours ago, cmarshall said:

 

I don't believe that.  The Trump supporters have not changed their minds since yesterday.  

They have minds?

16 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Hi, I'm Lonnie Leroy from Alabama and I'm here to help.

 

Alabama Man Charged With Possession of Eleven Molotov Cocktails Found Near Protest at U.S. Capitol

Authorities Also Found One Assault Rifle and Three Handguns

            WASHINGTON— Today, Acting U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin for the District of Columbia announced charges against an Alabama man that include one count of unlawful possession of a destructive device, and one count of carrying a pistol without a license.

 

            Lonnie Leroy Coffman, 70, of Falkville, Alabama, was arrested yesterday and charged in a criminal complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Coffman remains in custody pending a detention hearing scheduled for Tuesday, January 12.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/alabama-man-charged-possession-eleven-molotov-cocktails-found-near-protest-us-capitol

70?!?!  What the heck is he doing at a riot like this?  Incredible.  Another person's life upended because of Trump.  When will they learn.

5 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

70?!?!  What the heck is he doing at a riot like this?  Incredible.  Another person's life upended because of Trump.  When will they learn.

 

As more info comes to hand it will be interesting to see how many were affiliated to politised right of centre  evangelists; apparently there were a number of 'my saviour' types, believe including the woman who was shot.

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

As more info comes to hand it will be interesting to see how many were affiliated to politised right of centre  evangelists; apparently there were a number of 'my saviour' types, believe including the woman who was shot.

These alt right groups need to be stopped.  If you get into their private FB group, posts talk about what they planned to do.  and it was violent.

 

https://www.newsday.com/opinion/newsday-opinion-the-point-newsletter-1.50111488
 

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One such pro-Trump group, the Setauket Patriots, sponsored four charter buses at a cost of $65 per person for the round trip, while another 100 members went in cars, one of the group’s leaders, James Robitsek, told The Point Wednesday.

 

Also traveling were members of Long Island Loud Majority, with about 20,000 members, and STAY LOUD, which boasts 17,000. All three groups have posted for weeks about their plans to travel to D.C. this week, and starting Tuesday the feeds were giddy with excitement about the trip. Several featured members smiling and waving at a rest stop on the New Jersey Turnpike as they headed south.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

These alt right groups need to be stopped.  If you get into their private FB group, posts talk about what they planned to do.  and it was violent.

 

https://www.newsday.com/opinion/newsday-opinion-the-point-newsletter-1.50111488
 

 

Meh, I don't see them as much of a threat.  When the shooting started it took the fight right out of them.  These internet commandos are nothing but a bunch of cowards and should be treated like low the life criminals they are.

 

They only got in because the capital police acted like a bunch of incompetent mall cops and many are obviously sympathetic to the cause.  Every last one of them should be fired.

One thing this takeover and the aftermath proves, the elites, both Republican and Democrat, as well as the social media gatekeepers (Jack and Zuckerberg) are terrified of Trump.  Permanent suspension from FB and Twitter?  No need at all for that.  At most until Jan 20.

 

Maybe Trump has something on the elites.  Who knows.

15 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Meh, I don't see them as much of a threat.  When the shooting started it took the fight right out of them.  These internet commandos are nothing but a bunch of cowards and should be treated like low the life criminals they are.

 

They only got in because the capital police acted like a bunch of incompetent mall cops and many are obviously sympathetic to the cause.  Every last one of them should be fired.

Congress doesn't seem to agree with you, nor does the FBI.

 

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is.xml

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White supremacists and other far-right-wing extremists are the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States.

 

On 1/7/2021 at 8:19 PM, teacherclaire said:

including the arrest of far-right Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio on Monday....

 

 

Aren't the Proud Boys a gay K-pop band?

9 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

One thing this takeover and the aftermath proves, the elites, both Republican and Democrat, as well as the social media gatekeepers (Jack and Zuckerberg) are terrified of Trump.  Permanent suspension from FB and Twitter?  No need at all for that.  At most until Jan 20.

 

Maybe Trump has something on the elites.  Who knows.

So you are OK with people inciting violence and spreading lies on social media?  Figures.  Don't blame Twitter or FB.  Blame the source. Trump.

https://deadline.com/2021/01/twitter-suspends-president-donald-trumps-account-facebook-incitement-1234667769/

Plans for future armed protests have already begun proliferating on and off-Twitter, including a proposed secondary attack on the US Capitol and state capitol buildings on January 17, 2021.

7 hours ago, Nout said:

The security forces shot a middle aged white women dead at this demo.

The security forces did nothing during the summer of BLM and ANTIFA looting, arson and rioting.

 

gosh, you left out the fawning reference to her 14 years in the air force, and the "murder" of this true patriot and veteran....as that somehow excuses her misguided decision to join a mob of extremist rioters in sacking the united states congress.

 

for freedom and Q, i guess.

1 hour ago, ExpatOK said:

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Maybe Trump has something on the elites.  Who knows.

After all, 45 DID rub elbows on many occasions with Epstein (who did NOT, by the way, kill himself). So did many of those elites.

i'm fine with throwing them all in jail, but not in the same jail.  lol.  

 

BUT.......there were no charges when buildings were burning and broken into in Portland, Seattle, and other cities just a few months ago.

 

I get the difference.....people were inside the building.  OK, well, then put them in jail longer.

 

but was anyone arrested over the summer??  

 

 

Gotta love it.  You reap what you sow...even lost his nut job book deal.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/josh-hawley/index.html

 

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Josh Hawley's ploy to be a pro-Trump hero results in withering blowback

 

Hawley is now a pariah among many of his colleagues, openly derided and mocked in his home state and a source of shame for longtime political supporters who helped propel him to his position.

 

And in the wake of the insurrection, which took the lives of five people, multiple newspapers in Hawley's home state either blamed the senator for the chaos or called on him to resign his seat.

 

 

1 hour ago, Ventenio said:

i'm fine with throwing them all in jail, but not in the same jail.  lol.  

 

BUT.......there were no charges when buildings were burning and broken into in Portland, Seattle, and other cities just a few months ago.

 

I get the difference.....people were inside the building.  OK, well, then put them in jail longer.

 

but was anyone arrested over the summer?? 

"but was anyone arrested over the summer?? "

 

You don't follow the news much, do you?

 

"Between May 30 and June 2 2020, the height of the racial justice protests, 427 "unrest-related" arrests were made in D.C., including 24 juveniles, the police department says."  https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/01/07/figures-show-stark-difference-between-arrests-at-dc-black-lives-matter-protest-and-arrests-at-capitol-hill/?sh=61f7a8ce5706

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12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Not good optics. However, let's be realistic - the USA will never convict a US President because of the stain it will make on the office. The office is bigger than politics. No pardon for these people.

 

 

 

 

Do you not think about the stain on the Oval Office and the USA that Trump has made over the last 4 years really requires Trump to be severely punished for the damage he personally has caused?

 

2x,xxx lies and counting, alienating allied partners, unilaterally tearing up treaties, causing a massive split between the people in the USA? Not to mention actively encouraging his so called "supporters" to attack, damage and partly destroy the US Congress?  

 

THAT is the stain that Trump is leaving on the Oval Office.

 

He does not deserve a pardon but a trial for sedition.

4 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

One thing this takeover and the aftermath proves, the elites, both Republican and Democrat, as well as the social media gatekeepers (Jack and Zuckerberg) are terrified of Trump.  Permanent suspension from FB and Twitter?  No need at all for that.  At most until Jan 20.

 

Maybe Trump has something on the elites.  Who knows.

The elites, like Trump and his family you mean?

 

And yes, permanent suspension for repeatedly inciting violence.

4 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Hi, I'm Lonnie Leroy from Alabama and I'm here to help.

 

Alabama Man Charged With Possession of Eleven Molotov Cocktails Found Near Protest at U.S. Capitol

Authorities Also Found One Assault Rifle and Three Handguns

            WASHINGTON— Today, Acting U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin for the District of Columbia announced charges against an Alabama man that include one count of unlawful possession of a destructive device, and one count of carrying a pistol without a license.

 

            Lonnie Leroy Coffman, 70, of Falkville, Alabama, was arrested yesterday and charged in a criminal complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Coffman remains in custody pending a detention hearing scheduled for Tuesday, January 12.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/alabama-man-charged-possession-eleven-molotov-cocktails-found-near-protest-us-capitol

This means he is facing state charges and not federal, right? Which is very good news.